# evidence for god? some one said so. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 21, 2013, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896 "2013-01-21T08:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/401 "2013-02-09T18:11:53Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > During sleep the spirit leaves the body and returns to the spirit world. It does not happen every night but often enough to keep the spirit refreshed. Without this process the spirit has trouble keeping control of the body. Sometimes upon reentering the body the spirit is not fully within when the body wakes up and the person feels he can’t move and becomes frightened. If he would only wait a few seconds movement will return. Who told you this? Did they tell it to you in the middle of the night? Has anybody ever explained to you what a “dream” is? If not, maybe you could inquire over in General Questions-I’m sure others what be happy to explain it to you. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/402 "2013-02-09T18:19:07Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Now having said that I will share the spiritual explanation of sleep paralysis. > > During sleep the spirit leaves the body and returns to the spirit world. It does not happen every night but often enough to keep the spirit refreshed. Without this process the spirit has trouble keeping control of the body. Sometimes upon reentering the body the spirit is not fully within when the body wakes up and the person feels he can’t move and becomes frightened. If he would only wait a few seconds movement will return. I will not ask you for a cite. Pretty sure it would be a waste of time for both of us. And I apologize in advance for sounding dismissive, but… you can’t be serious. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/403 "2013-02-09T18:19:40Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > He had a big Alpha and Omega embroidered on his t-shirt. Oh, so he was a [Jewish dentist frat guy?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Omega_Fraternity) ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/404 "2013-02-09T19:50:14Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m sure it sounds glib but maybe for the same reason he is against anything linked with unicorns and leprechauns. Lack of supportable evidence. > > I’m sure you feel this is the right thing to do. But it’s internally inconsistent. If god is benign (or benevolent) those ending their life sooner get to be with their god that much sooner. Wouldn’t that be a win/win situation? No. Suicides usually destroy the lives of other people by their actions, and they are prevented from learning what they came into the physical to learn. So it is really a lose/lose situation. Eventually all will learn to connect to the unconditional love. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/405 "2013-02-09T21:58:56Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Eventually all will learn to connect to the unconditional love. I’m not entirely certain I know what this means but I’m sure it’s a lovely sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/406 "2013-02-10T00:14:22Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > Oh, so he was a [Jewish dentist frat guy?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Omega_Fraternity) Wow! Ya got me there! Alpha Omega fraternity! Have your teeth filled by I Am That I Am! In the waiting room, be sure to sign in; just put your name right there in the Book of Life! re **lekatt** , I don’t see any real communication happening here. There never can be. We figure he had a minor hallucination. He figures he was Face To Face With GOD. (How do you know it was God? Because it was God! How could you tell? Because it was God!) ad nauseam. Some discussions tend to break down into “revolving door” or “Eliza” non-communication. Not really very interesting! ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/407 "2013-02-10T00:35:13Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m not entirely certain I know what this means but I’m sure it’s a lovely sentiment. You will love it, and so will everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/408 "2013-02-10T00:40:30Z")
> [@Hottius\_Maximus](#): > > I would suggest that the atheists read Howard Storm’s book and then either accept it or reject it. Perhaps nothing Howard Storm says will persuade an atheist to believe, but I have no reason to doubt Howard Storm’s claims. He says he died and came back to life? Certainly doesn’t sound like there’s any reason to _believe_ his claims. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/409 "2013-02-10T00:44:45Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > You will love it, and so will everyone else. Remember a time in your life when you felt totally loved, totally safe, totally at peace then multiply that feeling a thousand fold. That will give you an idea of what it is like. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/410 "2013-02-10T01:18:17Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Remember a time in your life when you felt totally loved, totally safe, totally at peace then multiply that feeling a thousand fold. That will give you an idea of what it is like. No, my dear friend, it doesn’t. The idea of “multiplying it a thousand fold” has exactly no meaning. It is nonsense. It is absurd. It has zero linguistic sense. It says nothing. Imagine the brightest color red you ever say…and multiply it a thousand fold. Imagine the sexiest person you ever saw…and multiply that a thousand fold. (What, like a bust of 35,000 inches?) I believe that you believe what you’re saying. But it only makes sense to you; to me, you’re just gargling soda-water. I respect what you’re saying. But, ditto. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/411 "2013-02-10T01:23:58Z")
[QUOTE=lekatt] I have nothing to sell you and I don’t want to change you. [/quote] [QUOTE=lekatt] Remember a time in your life when you felt totally loved, totally safe, totally at peace then multiply that feeling a thousand fold. That will give you an idea of what it is like. [/QUOTE] :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/412 "2013-02-10T01:24:43Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > No, my dear friend, it doesn’t. The idea of “multiplying it a thousand fold” has exactly no meaning. It is nonsense. It is absurd. It has zero linguistic sense. It says nothing. > > Imagine the brightest color red you ever say…and multiply it a thousand fold. > > Imagine the sexiest person you ever saw…and multiply that a thousand fold. > > (What, like a bust of 35,000 inches?) > > I believe that you believe what you’re saying. But it only makes sense to you; to me, you’re just gargling soda-water. I respect what you’re saying. But, ditto. Feelings can be multiplied or intensified. It is alright if you don’t believe. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/413 "2013-02-10T02:00:42Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > It is alright if you don’t believe. And it’s alright if you believe nonsense. As long as you don’t try to impose anything through the voting booth I’m fine with the useless information you endlessly put forth in these threads. It’s hard to take you serious with some of the stuff you espouse but for the most part you seem harmless. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/414 "2013-02-10T02:42:26Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Wow! Ya got me there! Alpha Omega fraternity! Have your teeth filled by I Am That I Am! In the waiting room, be sure to sign in; just put your name right there in the Book of Life! That should be: “In the waiting room, be sure to sign in, but ignore my mother, she’s a bit meshugganah; just agree with her, no matter what she says (after all, I _did_ become a dentist, like she insisted, so _that’s_ OK), then put your name right there in the Book of Modern Dentistry! Or as we like to say, the ‘Book of Life’, or the ‘sign-in book’, one of those, I can never remember which… :smack: Oy Vey!” I think you missed the whooshing sound of a high speed hebrew dental fraternal aircraft passing above your head, there… ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/415 "2013-02-10T03:21:53Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > And it’s alright if you believe nonsense. As long as you don’t try to impose anything through the voting booth I’m fine with the useless information you endlessly put forth in these threads. It’s hard to take you serious with some of the stuff you espouse but for the most part you seem harmless. Beliefs can be harmful and they can be helpful, but in the grand scheme of life they don’t matter much. Good events and bad events happen, it is how we handle them that matters most. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/416 "2013-02-10T03:39:45Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > That should be: “In the waiting room, be sure to sign in, but ignore my mother, she’s a bit meshugganah; just agree with her, no matter what she says (after all, I _did_ become a dentist, like she insisted, so _that’s_ OK), then put your name right there in the Book of Modern Dentistry! Or as we like to say, the ‘Book of Life’, or the ‘sign-in book’, one of those, I can never remember which… :smack: Oy Vey!” > > I think you missed the whooshing sound of a high speed hebrew dental fraternal aircraft passing above your head, there… I love it! But… What? I got whooshed? What did I miss? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/417 "2013-02-10T13:05:27Z")
> [@pchaos](#): > > To paraphrase Human Action, “…there is lack of evidence of the existence of God.” > > That’s true, but it’s important to decide what is acceptable evidence. If you decide that only empirical evidence is acceptable then the lack of evidence is apparent. > > But if intuition and revelation are acceptable forms of evidence then the existence of God is obvious. Not unless it is known or can be proven to all people, Like a round earth! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/418 "2013-02-10T13:12:55Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > It was knowledge sure knowledge, I had memory of being there before. > > You can doubt if you wish it is OK, I understand. Without experiencing it one can only speculate. Knowledge can be proven but you choose to believe it so, that is your right, but one’s mind can play tricks on them, and desire is a strong feeling. To you it may seem knowledge and if that makes your life and others you meet better, then You can surely believe all you want to, Just as Muhammad believed an angel sent from God dictated a Book to him. Truth cannot be contradictory! ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/419 "2013-02-10T13:28:31Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I love it! But… What? I got whooshed? What did I miss? Sorry, I guess you didn’t. Your reply initially struck me as a bit upset, like you thought I was making fun of you, but on rereading, it’s _my_ impression that was mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/420 "2013-02-10T15:33:04Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Knowledge can be proven but you choose to believe it so, that is your right, but one’s mind can play tricks on them, and desire is a strong feeling. To you it may seem knowledge and if that makes your life and others you meet better, then You can surely believe all you want to, Just as Muhammad believed an angel sent from God dictated a Book to him. Truth cannot be contradictory! The experience I had came unannounced without any expectations. It is an experience shared by 10 to 12 million Americans who also had no expectations. Then dozens of scientists began to study and research the experiences finding them to be authentic examples of consciousness living after the death of the brain and body. Yes, there is solid proof of this, so much proof that scientists no longer berate the experience on the Internet. Anyone that wants to find the truth of the experience can do so by reading the research. I realize there will be those who will never believe the research and I am OK with that. The individuals who have the experience include neuro scientists, as well as people from every race and religion, no religion and atheists. There is no danger involved in reading the research and no danger in the afterlife. There is nothing to lose and everything to gain. But it is a matter of choice. I cannot imagine a real scientist that is afraid of new ideas and research. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=22)