# evidence for god? some one said so. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 21, 2013, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896 "2013-01-21T08:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/461 "2013-02-12T16:58:01Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > What you consider to be legitimate research, isn’t. > > It does not pass the credibility test. It is not supported by peer reviews. It has no basis in what is considered reliable science and scientific method. It has been discredited through it’s own false assumptions and claims. It simply isn’t fact based. No matter how many times I read it, it’s still not evidence of anything but incorrectly drawn conclusions. And you insisting that it is credible by adding personal anecdotes and unsubstantiated theories still doesn’t make it so. All your assumptions are false. but I guess denial is better than facing truth. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/462 "2013-02-12T17:15:05Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Most of what I say is just common sense. Identical twins are identical in body but not in mind. That’s actually not [true:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twins#Degree_of_separation) > [@](#): > > Although monozygotic twins are genetically very similar, a study of 92 pairs of monozygotic twins, carried out in November of 2012, has found that monozygotic twins acquire hundreds of genetic differences early in fetal development, due to mutations (or copy errors) taking place in the DNA of each twin after the splitting of the embryo. It is estimated that, on average, a set of monozygotic twins will have about 360 genetic differences that occurred early in fetal development. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/463 "2013-02-12T21:23:02Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > That’s actually not [true:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twins#Degree_of_separation) Do you really believe genetic differences cause behavior traits and preferences in the individual. That genes determine mental illness and alcoholism. In other words we are created by our genes. The brain is the creator of mankind. That we have no say in the matter of drug addition or even what professions we follow. You have reduced the human to a machine that is not responsible for any of his actions. Please do not expect a rational person the believe any of that. I know I am not that. I have free will and can make choices and I am responsible for my actions. There are events happening everyday to disprove this machine theory of mankind. Common sense says I am not created by my brain and genes et all. Conjoined twins are not the same mentally either, neither do they prefer the same things. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/464 "2013-02-12T21:30:49Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/VQgTwH6ijp8/hqdefault.jpg "Abby (Abigail), and Brittany Hensel Conjoined Twins. Two heads, two souls in one body") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQgTwH6ijp8) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/465 "2013-02-12T21:32:25Z")
Ummm… how much do you know about human biology? ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/466 "2013-02-12T21:37:35Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Do you really believe genetic differences cause behavior traits and preferences in the individual. That genes determine mental illness and alcoholism. Since you mentioned twins and mental illness, it so happens that [more than 40% of monozygotic twins of those with schizophrenia are also affected](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#Genetic), and “the greatest risk for developing schizophrenia is having a first-degree relative with the disease (risk is 6.5%).” Why would this be so if the mind is solely the product of the soul, with no connection to the brain and genetics? Are some souls just cursed, or rather families of souls? > [@lekatt](#): > > In other words we are created by our genes. The brain is the creator of mankind. That we have no say in the matter of drug addition or even what professions we follow. You have reduced the human to a machine that is not responsible for any of his actions. Please do not expect a rational person the believe any of that. I know I am not that. I have free will and can make choices and I am responsible for my actions. There are events happening everyday to disprove this machine theory of mankind. Common sense says I am not created by my brain and genes et all. You have no say over whether you develop mental illness, no. You’ve set up a false dilemma, where consciousness is either completely detached from the physical brain, or it’s a complete slave to it; free soul or machine. It’s far more likely that both elements are at work; a free will under influence from the brain. > [@lekatt](#): > > Conjoined twins are not the same mentally either, neither do they prefer the same things. Conjoined twins are monozygotic, the same factors apply. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/467 "2013-02-12T22:08:23Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > You are limited in your knowledge I hold to no religion, and science is full of theories which have not been proven true. You believe in a God or Supreme Being that you believe guides you , that is a religion just a personal one.I have noted that through the time you have been on the MB your beliefs change. I don’t make any claim to know every thing and I know I never will, but to know something I would need proof, or to me it would just be a belief. What I do Know, I can prove. It is true that Science has theories, but they don’t make false claims eithe; they find the proof first, like proving the world is round etc. Also no man is living on the Moon, or Mars. The object of Science is to find truth and help the humans living on this earth to have a better life, and so far they are doing a good job. So much good has come out of science, people now live through illinesses that a few Years ago they could not, no matter how much praying some one did for them, even many died from pneumonia that rarely die from it now,and that is the case of many illinesses. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/468 "2013-02-12T22:09:56Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > You are limited in your knowledge I hold to no religion, and science is full of theories which have not been proven true. You believe in a God or Supreme Being that you believe guides you , that is a religion just a personal one.I have noted that through the time you have been on the MB your beliefs change. I don’t make any claim to know every thing and I know I never will, but to know something I would need proof, or to me it would just be a belief. What I do Know, I can prove. It is true that Science has theories, but they don’t make false claims either, they find the proof first, like proving the world is round etc. Also no man is living on the Moon, or Mars. The object of Science is to find truth and help the humans living on this earth to have a better life, and so far they are doing a good job. So much good has come out of science, people now live through illinesses that a few Years ago they could not, no matter how much praying some one did for them, even many died from pneumonia that rarely die from it now,and that is the case of many illinesses. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/469 "2013-02-12T22:12:59Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I agree with this, but many of these people regain the use of their limbs and speech. This shows that there is much more going on than just a brain, there is direction and thoughts working to restore the movement to other places in the brain. The sign of a soul. What is differece between life and soul? Where does life go when a person dies? Where is your proof of soul? No proof: then it is just belief, life can be proven soul cannot. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/470 "2013-02-13T14:00:34Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Ummm… how much do you know about human biology? By your standards very little, but how much to I know about people, a lot. I have been mentor to hundreds of people over the past 25 years. I have brought them back from the edge of suicide, mental problems, and even fatal illnesses. I know they are not machines but living replicas of their Creator and just need a little help in understanding who they really are. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/471 "2013-02-13T14:08:41Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > What is differece between life and soul? Where does life go when a person dies? Where is your proof of soul? No proof: then it is just belief, life can be proven soul cannot. You and I are life our bodies are not life, without us they can barely maintain existence and not for long. We come from the spirit world and go back there when we “die.” As spirits we enter a baby at the time of birth and exit when the body can no long support us. Researchers of NDEs have proved that consciousness (us) can live after the death of the brain and body. That is solid. Even blind from birth people can see when out of body in a NDE. I have been out of body many times, there is no doubt I am spiritual. I spend a lot of time helping others so it may be hit and miss here because they are more important. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/472 "2013-02-13T14:10:19Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I have been mentor to hundreds of people over the past 25 years. I have brought them back from the edge of suicide, mental problems, and even fatal illnesses. \*Riiiiiight.\*I’ll just add this one to my “lekatt” file. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/473 "2013-02-13T14:20:58Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > By your standards very little, but how much to I know about people, a lot. > > I have been mentor to hundreds of people over the past 25 years. I have brought them back from the edge of suicide, mental problems, and even fatal illnesses. I know they are not machines but living replicas of their Creator and just need a little help in understanding who they really are. On the off-chance that this isn’t another one of your fantasies and that you actually tell people with fatal illnesses that you can cure them-_Please stop doing this!_ You are not a medical professional, and you have no business interfering with the health and safety of others. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/474 "2013-02-13T14:48:36Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > By your standards very little, but how much to I know about people, a lot. > > I have been mentor to hundreds of people over the past 25 years. I have brought them back from the edge of suicide, mental problems, and even fatal illnesses. I know they are not machines but living replicas of their Creator and just need a little help in understanding who they really are. FWIW, I have tremendous respect for people who actually help others in various aspects of their lives, be it medical or mental or as a social service, etc. If I may ask, in what professional, licensed, or otherwise recognized capacity do you mentor these people? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/475 "2013-02-13T17:24:59Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > FWIW, I have tremendous respect for people who actually help others in various aspects of their lives, be it medical or mental or as a social service, etc. > > If I may ask, in what professional, licensed, or otherwise recognized capacity do you mentor these people? As far as I know there are no universities offering a degree in mentor. When I owned a business I hired a person right from a mental hospital because his brother worked for me and wanted me to help him. He was a violent sort of person who could not take any criticism. I warned my employees how to handle him. The first two years were hard, but he worked for me 13 years and was the best driver I had. The customers loved him. He returned to a completely useful life. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/476 "2013-02-13T17:28:12Z")
What fatal illnesses have you treated? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/477 "2013-02-13T18:13:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What fatal illnesses have you treated? I don’t treat illnesses, I am a mentor. > **[Letters from visitors of this site, page one](https://aleroy.com/Letters.htm)** > > Letters from visitors of this site, page one ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/478 "2013-02-13T18:19:45Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I don’t treat illnesses, I am a mentor. Your own post says otherwise(bolding mine): > [@lekatt](#): > > I have brought them back from the edge of suicide, mental problems, **and even fatal illnesses.** So what fatal illnesses have you treated? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/479 "2013-02-13T18:21:47Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I don’t treat illnesses, I am a mentor. > > [Letters from visitors of this site, page one](http://aleroy.com/Letters.htm) Back to reporting anonymous anecdotes from your own website again? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/480 "2013-02-13T20:38:25Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Back to reporting anonymous anecdotes from your own website again? I can always count on you to go negative, I always know what you are going to post. Same all the time. I don’t treat illnesses I help people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=25)