# evidence for god? some one said so. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 21, 2013, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896 "2013-01-21T08:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/661 "2013-03-01T18:08:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’ve never had any question about the existence of your(or any) god. You came to this thread about evidence for the existence of gods-do you have anything to contribute to the subject? Creativity is divine. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/662 "2013-03-01T18:10:39Z")
So is pork belly. Hallelujah! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/663 "2013-03-01T18:11:27Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Creativity is divine. And the evidence for this is…? BTW, is “The Divine” supposed to be another name for your particular god, or could it apply to any other of the thousands of deities? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/664 "2013-03-01T18:31:46Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Ah but where does the seed of that creativity come from? I read all kinds of books and play music, but I could never compose like Beehtoven or write like Shakespeare. The fact that I do it is unremarkable, the fact that there are people who are genius and don’t know why or how they are is fascinating. Consider Mozart, a genius at 5 year old. Where does it come from? The brain. There is a wide range of intelligence, and a wide range of creativity. Where does sports ability come from? If creativity came from God, why did he bless Mozart and not PDQ Bach. Why did he bless Dr. J with sports ability and not me? The brain is immensely complicated - not surprising we don’t understand it yet. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/665 "2013-03-01T18:51:13Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > The brain. There is a wide range of intelligence, and a wide range of creativity. Where does sports ability come from? If creativity came from God, why did he bless Mozart and not PDQ Bach. Why did he bless Dr. J with sports ability and not me? The brain is immensely complicated - not surprising we don’t understand it yet. Creativity is of course wide ranging, and as different and individual as we are. BUT where does it come from? The creative process is seemingly so random, because we’re astonished by it. I would suggest there are other forces at work, not just ourselves that are integral to the creative mind. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/666 "2013-03-01T18:53:02Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > My faith is sufficiently comfortable in the knowledge that I don’t need to know where creativity is generated, but that it exists. You on the other hand need some empirical evidence to explain it. So, why is creativity distributed across all types of believers? And why is creativity so strong in lots of nonbelievers? Which God do you believe in anyway? ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/667 "2013-03-01T18:55:41Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > So, why is creativity distributed across all types of believers? And why is creativity so strong in lots of nonbelievers? Which God do you believe in anyway? Post 666. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/668 "2013-03-01T18:57:39Z")
I am laughing on the outside, 14 pages and new people who cannot be bothered to read the op continue to post nonsense that absolutely fails to meet the basic criteria set out in the op. **Andiethewestie** do you have anything to ad to this thread that isn’t your personal opinion? All you are doing is continuing the exact same argument that has popped up over and over in this thread. I was planning on letting this thing die before I started a new one, Silly me. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/669 "2013-03-01T19:00:31Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > So, why is creativity distributed across all types of believers? And why is creativity so strong in lots of nonbelievers? Which God do you believe in anyway? That’s funny. Atheists can dance can’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/670 "2013-03-01T19:02:15Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > **Andiethewestie** do you have anything to ad to this thread that isn’t your personal opinion? Gee, I was going to ask you the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/671 "2013-03-01T19:07:44Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > People of faith don’t fear, they understand their human limitations. But that doesn’t actually make them correct. If a person has faith that his creativity was implanted by Athena – not angry Poseidon, who he claims handles waves and earthquakes; not adulterous Zeus, who he claims handles the lightning from on high; but Athena, who he claims is niece of one and daughter of the other – would you say the guy was simply wrong? Would you say his faith is irrelevant? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/672 "2013-03-01T19:18:21Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Gee, I was going to ask you the same thing. Did you read the OP at all and if so, do you have anything to contribute that pertains to the OP? ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/673 "2013-03-01T19:23:51Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > every argument for god starts with an assumption, the assumtion that god exists. where does the evidence to support > this assumption come from? I am asking you (and everyone else) to provide even a shred of evidence for the existence of god. said evidence must meet basic standards for scientific evidence. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/674 "2013-03-01T19:38:32Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > I am asking you (and everyone else) to provide even a shred of evidence for the existence of god. > > said evidence must meet basic standards for scientific evidence. FTW. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/675 "2013-03-01T19:49:14Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > That’s funny. Atheists can dance can’t they? I obviously can’t tap dance around the subject as well as you can. I can hypothesize several sources of creativity. Genetics is one. Environment is another. If there was no theater in England, we might never have heard of Shakespeare. Having creative expression as a kid not stomped on by parents probably helps. So, what do you got? It’s a mysterious miracle? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/676 "2013-03-01T19:51:02Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > FTW. And that’s the flaw of the entire thread. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/677 "2013-03-01T19:53:02Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > I am asking you (and everyone else) to provide even a shred of evidence for the existence of god. > > said evidence must meet basic standards for scientific evidence. Maybe you could add a request to show how that evidence would not apply equally to Zeus, Rama, or Ishtar. God exists because of rainbows. Yeah, that Odin did a heckova job! I’d recommend not holding my breath, though. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/678 "2013-03-01T19:55:21Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > And that’s the flaw of the entire thread. The request for evidence is the flaw of a thread specifically about asking for evidence? That you don’t have any does not mean that the request is unreasonable. BTW, want to buy a bridge? I have the deed, but don’t ask me to show it to you, since that would reduce your faith in me. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/679 "2013-03-01T19:55:23Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I obviously can’t tap dance around the subject as well as you can. > I can hypothesize several sources of creativity. Genetics is one. Environment is another. If there was no theater in England, we might never have heard of Shakespeare. Having creative expression as a kid not stomped on by parents probably helps. > > So, what do you got? It’s a mysterious miracle? Doesn’t look like you have a better explanation. Because what you have are only theories that can’t accurately explain the creative process, the eureka moment that takes the mundane into the divine. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/680 "2013-03-01T19:58:19Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Doesn’t look like you have a better explanation. Because what you have are only theories that can’t accurately explain the creative process, the eureka moment that takes the mundane into the divine. This thread is about evidencefor the existence of gods. Did you read and understand the OP? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=35)