# evidence for god? some one said so. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 21, 2013, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896 "2013-01-21T08:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/701 "2013-03-01T20:49:03Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > He did, but it doesn’t mean what Andiethewestie thinks it means. Hitchens was an atheist. I meant to say that in context that obviously wasn’t what he meant when he said that. Thanks for the correction. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/702 "2013-03-01T20:49:29Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I didn’t come up with the big bang theory. Yeah, but if you had, that would be super creative… and you know where that leads. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/703 "2013-03-01T20:52:26Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > And Rationalists used to think the world was flat. Actually people have known the world was round for thousands of years. Rational thinkers have realized that ships masts come into view first, and that the angle of shadows on the same day differed at different parts of the world, and that lunar eclipses show a round Earth casting a shadow on the moon. Intelligence and rationality gave us the knowledge that the world was round. The ignorant, stinking men who wrote the bible thought the world was under a dome and that it flooded in historical memory. They didn’t know what the fuck they were talking about, and yet, you trust their primitive religious beliefs? Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/704 "2013-03-01T20:54:30Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Yeah, but if you had, that would be super creative… and you know where that leads. Since the snake made Eve eat the apple, isn’t the devil responsible for creativity? Why do you support the work of the Devil, **Andiethewestie**? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/705 "2013-03-01T20:54:56Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Actually people have known the world was round for thousands of years. > > Rational thinkers have realized that ships masts come into view first, and that the angle of shadows on the same day differed at different parts of the world, and that lunar eclipses show a round Earth casting a shadow on the moon. > > Intelligence and rationality gave us the knowledge that the world was round. The ignorant, stinking men who wrote the bible thought the world was under a dome and that it flooded in historical memory. They didn’t know what the fuck they were talking about, and yet, you trust their primitive religious beliefs? Weird. Geez Pre-Socratic thinkers thought the world was flat. Why do Athiests have to get so nasty? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/706 "2013-03-01T20:57:28Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Geez Pre-Socratic thinkers thought the world was flat. Why do Athiests have to get so nasty? Do you have any intention of addressing the topic of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/707 "2013-03-01T20:58:01Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Geez Pre-Socratic thinkers thought the world was flat. Why do Athiests have to get so nasty? Rationality isn’t something that is embraced from birth naturally. It’s a cultural development. Like writing or ninjas. It’s not nasty to call the writers of the bible ignorant and stinking. It’s accurate. They thought pi was 3 and lived in a desert with no air conditioning. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/708 "2013-03-01T20:59:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. I don’t have a “leader” > 2. Mr. Hitchens never said that. > 3. Even if he DID say that, you agreeing with someone elses’ statement is not evidence of anything. > > Did you bother to read the OP? It’s Theisttown Jake. You’ll find no evidence here. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/709 "2013-03-01T21:00:18Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Geez Pre-Socratic thinkers thought the world was flat. Why do Athiests have to get so nasty? We’re not nasty. You’re just a sissy. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/710 "2013-03-01T21:00:48Z")
Asked and answered. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/711 "2013-03-01T21:02:47Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Asked and answered. Your answer did not pass the requirements put forth in the OP. Why don’t you read the OP and try again? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/712 "2013-03-01T21:04:34Z")
n/m ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/713 "2013-03-01T21:04:39Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Rationality isn’t something that is embraced from birth naturally. It’s a cultural development. Like writing or ninjas. > > It’s not nasty to call the writers of the bible ignorant and stinking. It’s accurate. They thought pi was 3 and lived in a desert with no air conditioning. So you think Pythagoras always wore his right guard? Like seriously… the fathers of rationale thought were the models of cleanliness while religious thinkers were dirty animals? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/714 "2013-03-01T21:09:14Z")
Pssst… **Andiethewestie** … If you simply say, “I believe what I believe and I find my belief system internally consistent”, all the atheists will just run away. It’s like kryptonite to us. Try it. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/715 "2013-03-01T21:13:41Z")
It’s actually sort of a hoot to see the “rational thinkers” say that Hitchens “didn’t say that” or that biblical writers were ignorant and stinking as opposed to the sweet smell of rationalism. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/716 "2013-03-01T21:15:37Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > It’s actually sort of a hoot to see the “rational thinkers” say that Hitchens “didn’t say that” or that biblical writers were ignorant and stinking as opposed to the sweet smell of rationalism. Got anything to contribute that pertains to the OP? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/717 "2013-03-01T21:20:20Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > The short explanation > > Souls, spirits, mind, consciousness, all are words to describe the the same namely you or I. > > There are created in the spirit world by the creator in His image. If a soul desires to enter the physical dimension then it can enter the body of a baby just before it is born and returns to the spirit world when the body dies. > > You can find Pre-Birth experiences on the Internet. This is just belief,not fact! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/718 "2013-03-01T21:22:25Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > It’s actually sort of a hoot to see the “rational thinkers” say that Hitchens “didn’t say that” or that biblical writers were ignorant and stinking as opposed to the sweet smell of rationalism. We had a conclave of the rationalist thinkers and voted that Christopher Hitchens wasn’t suited to be ordained as our atheist high priest. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/719 "2013-03-01T21:23:33Z")
Different ward Monavis… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2013, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/720 "2013-03-01T21:25:01Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > We’re not nasty. You’re just a sissy. 😉 In jest or not, this doesn’t belong in Great Debates. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=37)