# Evidence is irrelevant to mister nyxx **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001 "2012-06-04T04:30:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/81 "2012-07-05T12:52:31Z")
Y’all know what the fine people of Texas say about people like you Mr. Nyx? Ya don’t know whether ya found a rope or lost yer horse. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/82 "2012-07-05T13:40:10Z")
I’ll speak here as just some random schmoe who wandered into this thread to see what the fuss was about. I have previously noticed that **mister nyx** seems to be rather quick with the insult, but hadn’t read the thread in question. So, on review, it seems **mister nyx** first shows up in Post 43, apparently disputing speculation on the relative ‘threat’ to societies by male versus female homosexuality. His post is full of phrases such as “My understanding is…”, “My impression is…” and “That strikes me…” making it perfectly clear that the poster is expressing opinion and apparently does not have any facts handy. Fair enough. **Una** then presents some actual data that questions the above poster’s assumptions. The data might be relevant, might be not, but it’s at least some actual data. After basically one more post by each on the subject, we then get this bizarre rant (post 50): > [@mister nyx](#): > > And I’m sure unserious people will take your numbers as given without attempting to understand the actual phenomenon under question, or even evaluating the numbers you cite for basic plausibility. And everything about “Great Debates” has made it clear that unserious argument is the norm here – hence all the people prior to my post who accepted the OP’s assumptions without even trying to verify them. Good job, you made the vaguest possible effort to prove them right and exercised no ability to discern the quality of the numbers you got, even when they were facially ridiculous. And then you blustered at me for questioning your absurd statistics, which – if nothing else – obviously understate the OP’s “killed, tortured, bullied, or whatever” by an order of magnitude at least. > > I have no doubt that your numbers will be treated as gospel, because it has been my observation that around here, unserious arguments like the OP’s are de rigueur. That doesn’t mean that your unstated “conclusions” are valid, or even that they’re worthy of a moment’s consideration. Again, this is a small enough pond that I’m sure your nonsense will be treated seriously, but that says nothing about your conclusions – but it says a lot about the people evaluating them. Uttering gratuitous, pre-emptive insults directed at anyone who might at some point dare to disagree with you, is no way to go through life, son. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/83 "2012-07-05T14:19:26Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > You came up with “stats” that didn’t even begin to address the question. I tried to avoid discussing it out of embarrassment about the fact that you hadn’t come up with anything that remotely related to the issue under discussion. Although I was eventually driven to do so. More bluster, no facts. > [@](#): > > But, I mean, if you want, you win. There are no statistics to back your point, Or were supposed to find stats to back YOUR point. That’s how it works. > [@](#): > > Anyway, Una, you don’t give a shit about actual numbers, so you cited absolute nonsense, despite the fact that your numbers neglected easily 95% of crimes against queer people, Cite? Oh wait, you don’t do cites, I forgot…you’re too lazy. > [@](#): > > and despite the fact that they didn’t even attempt to acknowledge the actual matter under discussion – which was whether gay men or other queer people are more likely to be the subjects of hate crimes. My stats showed the number of hate crimes reported against gays and lesbians, and number of gays and lesbians in the population. Yeah, I really missed the boat there. [QUOTE[You don’t care about the issue,[/QUOTE] I’m a member of the LGBT community who has been personally abused, assaulted, etc. for that fact. Your accusation is ignorant. > [@](#): > > That’s why, as I’ve been here longer, I’ve spent a lot less time trying to cite my points, In other words, your post is your cite. That sounds like a winning strategy. Wherever have I heard that before? > [@](#): > > But whatever. Made-up numbers are acceptable at the SDMB, as you have demonstrated so well. My numbers were cited from reputable sources. You can argue with the interpretation but you cannot accuse me of making them up. To do so is outright demonstrably lying. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/84 "2012-07-05T14:24:28Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > According to Una Persson, the average gay/bi person is likely to be subjected to being “killed, tortured, bullied, or whatever” (as the OP of that thread specified) at this rate: > > Us queers are likely to be bullied once every 6154 years. At least according to Una Persson’s numbers. Is there something missing in the post above? I see the line “at this rate:” and then a blank line. Show your work, because it appears you don’t understand and that the following is true: [QUOTE=Princhester] Una never said that her number predicted anything at all about how often you would be subjected to bullying, and they don’t do so. If you think you can extrapolate as you just did, you aren’t fit to drool and mouthbreathe in the corridor outside a statistics class, let alone lecture people who actually understood what was going on in one. [/QUOTE] And mister nyx you might notice that there have been a lot of other criticisms of you in here by folks, which oddly you’re conveniently choosing to ignore. It’s not just the Evil Una. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/85 "2012-07-05T14:33:27Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > You came up with “stats” that didn’t even begin to address the question. I tried to avoid discussing it out of embarrassment about the fact that you hadn’t come up with anything that remotely related to the issue under discussion. Although I was eventually driven to do so. > > But, I mean, if you want, you win. **There are no statistics to back your point, obviously, or you would have been able to find actual stats to back you.** But if you want, then, fine. Gay men are vastly more likely to be the subjects of violent crime. There are no numbers to support this – in fact, even before you cited your obviously useless numbers, I had already explained why similar numbers wouldn’t actually support the OP’s contention (which, of course, the OP didn’t even bother to try to support, but obviously no one but me cared about that.) > > Anyway, Una, **you don’t give a shit about actual numbers, so you cited absolute nonsense** , despite the fact that your numbers neglected easily 95% of crimes against queer people, and despite the fact that they didn’t even attempt to acknowledge the actual matter under discussion – which was whether gay men or other queer people are more likely to be the subjects of hate crimes. > > You don’t care about the issue, **which is why you cited some nonsensical numbers that aren’t even vaguely plausible if one is looking for actual statistics.** That’s fine. I understand that at the SDMB, actual facts mean nothing. You’ve demonstrated that perfectly, Una. That’s why, as I’ve been here longer, I’ve spent a lot less time trying to cite my points, because I know it doesn’t matter at all to dopers whether they’re discussing the truth or not. All that matters is if it’s in agreement with the SDMB’s group consensus. > > But whatever. Made-up numbers are acceptable at the SDMB, as you have demonstrated so well.\*\* I am the only person here who actually gives a shit about whether numbers that you toss up are made up, or have any relation to reality.\*\* So of course your pals here agree with your fake statistics. And of course they are going to be just as unwilling as you were to address the obvious problems with the made-up numbers you cited. They don’t give any more of a shit about real statistics than you do. Which, well, is exactly my point about this place. Hey, blathering idiot of the week, you keep repeating this nonsense about Una’s cites and yet still nobody has seen any from you. So put up or shut the fuck up, and show some rebuttal cites if you have them. (You don’t have any, do you? Its kinda obvious at this point) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/86 "2012-07-05T14:33:51Z")
The man has clearly demonstrated that he is too intellectually lazy to carry on the conversations he keeps trying to involve himself in. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/87 "2012-07-05T14:35:09Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > … > > Obviously Una hoped to fleece people with nonsense… Seriously, you couldn’t be further from the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/88 "2012-07-05T14:38:25Z")
Personally I don’t care about the bluster, but if a poster includes some sort of, “I guess that’s just the fucked up way this stupid message board runs,” type statement with every post, then … fucking leave. I never get that. “This place sucks, you all suck. Suck, suck, suck. And I just feel the need to stick around to and remind everybody of how displeased I am ad nauseum.” Tediously irritating is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/89 "2012-07-05T16:19:16Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > I’m a member of the LGBT community who has been personally abused, assaulted, etc. for that fact. Your accusation is ignorant. Oh **Una** , didn’t you hear? **mister nyx** is the only True [del]Scotsman[/del] Queer on the SDMB. No one here has suffered as he’s suffered, or fought as he’s fought for the cause of LGBT rights. Each and every poster on this board except for **mister nyx** is a homophobe, even (especially!) the LGBT ones, but he is going to save us from ourselves…no matter how many tantrums it takes. Or maybe the Mods will find some way to free him from his torment. I mean, the guy is clearly very unhappy here, yet he seems to be having a hard time leaving. He could perhaps do with a little help there. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/90 "2012-07-05T17:13:24Z")
**Una Persson** : innumerate homophobe? Yeah, you really got her number there, **mister nyx**. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/91 "2012-07-05T17:32:10Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > In other words, your post is your cite. That sounds like a winning strategy. Wherever have I heard that before? Tip for **mister nyx** : if you’ve a got a bit of spare time, search back a couple years for posts by a user named **Aldebaran**. Hint: when you are being compared to him, that’s not exactly a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/92 "2012-07-05T17:34:04Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Furthermore, I’ve been reading the posts of \*\*Bryan Ekers \*\*for about 12 years or so. He’s a smart guy who writes well and has a vocab to match. You’re piddling in your nappies laughing at your own wit with your crack about explaining the word “anathema”. Thank you, that’s very kind. So, nyx is gay? I guess I learned one thing about him, despite myself. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/93 "2012-07-05T17:45:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Thank you, that’s very kind. > > So, nyx is gay? I guess I learned one thing about him, despite myself. Gay and probably raised very religious, likely Orthodox or Ultraorthodox. I guess the mix of homosexuality with kooky religion can really fuck people up. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/94 "2012-07-05T18:01:04Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Tip for **mister nyx** : if you’ve a got a bit of spare time, search back a couple years for posts by a user named **Aldebaran**. “So, the mods condoned open bigotry toward a Muslim poster and then banned him. I wish I could say I were surprised, but nothing surprises me about this place.” ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/95 "2012-07-05T18:01:49Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Dio killed the clown that killed my dad. Hey, I’ve killed _dozens_ of clowns, but you don’t see me bragging! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/96 "2012-07-05T18:07:49Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Hey, I’ve killed _dozens_ of clowns, but you don’t see me bragging! :mad: Thank you for your service. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/97 "2012-07-06T04:30:39Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Oh **Una** , didn’t you hear? **mister nyx** is the only True [del]Scotsman[/del] Queer on the SDMB. No one here has suffered as he’s suffered, or fought as he’s fought for the cause of LGBT rights. Each and every poster on this board except for **mister nyx** is a homophobe, even (especially!) the LGBT ones, but he is going to save us from ourselves…no matter how many tantrums it takes. It’s funny, because I actually haven’t seen anyone else here even claim to have done any sort of serious LGBT advocacy work. None of you LGBT people even bothered to argue with the guy who falsely claimed that I hadn’t done such work (I’ve posted enough about it that there’s no real doubting my professional credentials in it). Hell, he even claimed I was lying about being gay, and how many of you stepped up? I’ve never said anything like what you claim I said about the posters here, but it’s sort of telling that all these LGBT Dopers didn’t give enough of a shit to actually stand up to that appalling idiocy. So, hell, if I had actually said none of you had ever fought for queer rights – and, let’s be clear, I didn’t, so if you stand by your post, find where I said that or else admit it’s a lie – well, all y’all LGBT Dopers let the ball drop when you didn’t bother with that bullshit. We can all draw whatever conclusions we like from your collective failure. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/98 "2012-07-06T04:32:05Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > hey, blathering idiot of the week, you keep repeating this nonsense about una’s cites and yet still nobody has seen any from you. So put up or shut the fuck up, and show some rebuttal cites if you have them. > > (you don’t have any, do you? Its kinda obvious at this point) waaaaaah it’s not fair that una’s ridiculous post didn’t disprove mister nyx!!! It’s not fair that he didn’t pretend to have been proven wrong!!! **it’s not fair!!!** ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/99 "2012-07-06T04:50:29Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > I will listen to you, **mister nyx** , as soon as you provide something substantive instead of “It’s wrong because I say it’s wrong!” to refute anyone’s cited assertions. Until then, I, the posters in this thread, and probably most of the rest of the board, will treat you like the thin-skinned, whiny little shit that you apparently are. > > That’s how we roll here. We prefer that assertions be backed up with cites when the situation calls for it, and we expect that refutation of assertions be backed up with cites. It’s no different from college, really. Your behavior makes you difficult to take seriously. But I, and the rest of the board, can explain that point to you all day long, but we can’t understand it for you, and you seem to have a difficult time understanding it. It’s a personal problem, but it’s one you’re going to have to overcome if you expect to have a long, happy tenure here at the SDMB. Lol, stupid. Check that recent thread in GQ where it was being debated whether “fag” was a slur or not. (I doubt there is any community in the world in which that would be ‘debatable’ except for this defective place.) And check how seriously my citations which established what should not even have been questioned anyway were taken. If you think evidence is taken seriously here, you are either way newer than I am or really, really confused about how evidence and arguments work. [QUOTE=El\_Kabong] Una then presents some actual data that questions the above poster’s assumptions. The data might be relevant, might be not, but it’s at least some actual data. After basically one more post by each on the subject, we then get this bizarre rant (post 50): [/QUOTE] Una ‘cited’ numbers that don’t make any sense or even relate to the topic of conversation. I explained why they don’t work (in fact, I even explained before she posted them exactly why such numbers weren’t applicable). No one else was able to come up with a counterargument (much less a citation of _actual_ data that somehow pertained to the topic of conversation). Thus, somehow, I am wrong. And the reason is that I was not also able to cite fallacious statistics that don’t even address the problem. If I had done so, then I would somehow be tied with Una? I guess I would have done the same thing as she did. But my dignity is worth more than doing something that pathetic. So how am I wrong about unserious people, again? [QUOTE=Una Persson] Or were supposed to find stats to back YOUR point. That’s how it works. [/QUOTE] So I find fallacious, inapplicable statistics to back me up! That’s how it works! Jesus Christ. They were facially ridiculous numbers, that didn’t even apply to the discussion on the table. Fuck are your standards ever low. [QUOTE=Una Persson] Cite? Oh wait, you don’t do cites, I forgot…you’re too lazy. [/QUOTE] So, what, I should do what you did, and find random numbers that don’t actually have anything to do with the conversation and cite them? If I do that, somehow, I’m not lazy! My standards are not as low as yours. [QUOTE=Una Perrson] > [@](#): > > You don’t care about the issue, I’m a member of the LGBT community who has been personally abused, assaulted, etc. for that fact. Your accusation is ignorant. [/QUOTE] And yet you made shit up, cited obviously inapplicable numbers, can’t actually defend them, and are now getting self-righteous at me. :rolleyes: [QUOTE=Una Persson] Is there something missing in the post above? I see the line “at this rate:” and then a blank line. Show your work, because it appears you don’t understand and that the following is true: [/QUOTE] It’s called “division”. I understand that such things are black arts around here, but it’s an actual thing that actually works! ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/100 "2012-07-06T04:50:53Z")
Just a question, **mister**. How many people would have to tell you that you were in the wrong before you would engage in some self examination? Don’t answer the question in a post. You’ll only post something defensive and face saving. Just ponder the question internally, for yourself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001.md?page=6)