# Evidence is irrelevant to mister nyxx **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001 "2012-06-04T04:30:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/121 "2012-07-06T07:09:33Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > So, in the real world, there’s still no evidence that violent assholes are somehow more likely to target gay men than gay women by any ratio that can’t be totally explained by how men are more likely to be targeted with violence than women. 1st claim: > [@The Danger of Male Homosexuality vs Female Homosexuality](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-danger-of-male-homosexuality-vs-female-homosexuality/624822/47): > > A few facts for the Straight Dope. > > [2008 Hate Crime Statistics.](http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/victims.html) > > Cite: in the US, lesbians are much less likely to be victims of a recorded hate crime than gay men in absolute numbers. Now in relative numbers, that’s very difficult to judge because it’s very difficult to get statistics about the number of gays and lesbians in the US. … For the third time, cite that men are victimized about as much as women in 2010, in the general population: > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > “…males (15.7 per 1,000) and females (14.2 per 1,000) had similar rates of violent victimization during 2010,” according to [Crime Victimization, 2010](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2224), a report by the Bureau of Justice Statistics utilizing the National Crime Victimization Survey. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/122 "2012-07-06T07:18:45Z")
I want to state this again, just so **Mr Nyx** gets my point. I don’t care about the subject matter. I don’t care if you are right or wrong. Just show me once where you cited any outside source. For anything. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/123 "2012-07-06T07:27:52Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Tip for **mister nyx** : if you’ve a got a bit of spare time, search back a couple years for posts by a user named **Aldebaran**.. I’ve no opinion on **nyxx** (In fact, I didn’t know he existed until today, I very rarely notice who’s who here) but **Aldebaran** was hardly the worst poster we had. Despite his failings, I still think that many of his points of view were valid, even though they rubbed people the wrong way. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/124 "2012-07-06T08:16:44Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > So, again, if you actually gave half a shit about the question under discussion – are people more homophobic against gay (/bi) men than gay (/bi) women – well, if you don’t control for how men in general are more likely to be subject to violent crimes, you haven’t proven anything. This is why you are a dumbass who is now so far in the negative when it comes to respect around here that you could post with sagacity, wisdom and reserve for the next couple of decades and you aren’t going to dig yourself out of the hole. Una’s statistics were OK-ish but, as you pointed out, didn’t control for the possibility that violence against males generally might account for the difference that her statistics suggested. Rather than find statistics to back your view, you just ranted against such data as was available (ie Una’s) based on your surmise about general male violence bias. And you just kept backing yourself, on and on and on without checking. And now **Measure for Measure** shows with an actual cite that your surmise is dead flat out wrong. And _even after that_ you keep going on about how your brilliant general male violence bias assumption is correct, totally ignoring the fact that those of us who are capable of reading for comprehension have realised that Measure for Measure has blown you out of the water already. One of the things about being an arrogant, smartass, condescending knowitall (and I’m speaking from experience here ;)) is that you _have to be right_. It’s a high stakes game. Because arrogant, smartass, condescending knowitalls who end up being wrong, after having insulted all and sundry, end up looking like utter dickheads. If you want to see what an utter dickhead looks like, stand in front of a mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/125 "2012-07-06T08:43:55Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > One of the things about being an arrogant, smartass, condescending knowitall (and I’m speaking from experience here ;)) is that you _have to be right_. It’s a high stakes game. Because arrogant, smartass, condescending knowitalls who end up being wrong, after having insulted all and sundry, end up looking like utter dickheads. Speaking as one ASCK to another, let me go through my thought processes. Mister Nyx doesn’t quite get this, but everyone absorbed his point on the first round. Una was simply saying that pointing out a flaw in the data presented isn’t enough: you have to dig up the evidence. Because occasionally the evidence bites you on the nose. For myself, the evidence is often just _somewhat_ different than the story I had in mind. But there’s always at least a small twist in the data. What I was expecting was that male victimization would exceed female victimization – but not by a margin of 5:1. That just sounded off. If I found out that the facts contradicted my preconceptions… well we’re here to fight ignorance. I’d post them for the heck of it. I’ve done that here. Anyway the twist in this instance was that male and female non-murderous but violent crime victimization rates were _comparable_ in 2010. I’m guessing that older data would show greater male violent crime victimization – but again not by a 5:1 margin. The 2010 data is a puzzle. Full disclosure: the data is from the Crime Victimization Survey which doesn’t cover murder victims for obvious reasons. So there may be a gender disparity there. Anyway, Una conceded in her original post that her argument wasn’t airtight. That was good form. The right way to address it is to bring some facts to the table on your own, rather than just make loud claims about your own rectitude and borderline cranky assertions that your brilliance is misunderstood by an uncaring world. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/126 "2012-07-06T08:55:55Z")
[Here you go](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tglxlC8rWZQ) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/127 "2012-07-06T09:36:36Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > :rolleyes: It’s hardly omphaloskepsis to respond to specific, stupid things others said. > > . . . you used a word whose meaning you don’t know, obviously. It is, indeed, omphaloskepsis to spend as much time as you just ranted that you spent in self examination–particularly when it does not seem that you discovered anything more than navel lint in the effort. Your assumption that I do not know the meanng of the word is one more example of you projecting your own inadequacies onto others. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/128 "2012-07-06T09:45:48Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > waaaaaah it’s not fair that una’s ridiculous post didn’t disprove mister nyx!!! It’s not fair that he didn’t pretend to have been proven wrong!!! **it’s not fair!!!** What on earth are you talking about? Not fair? What has fair got to do with anything? Still you have not actually provided a single cite to support any of this shit you are slinging. I am not even involved in this argument but looking in from the outside you are just making a show of yourself. Hell, don’t know why I am even replying, you already know this. I wonder who you used to be on the boards? ---
**Author:** ![Suil\_Dubh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Suil\_Dubh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suil_Dubh)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/129 "2012-07-06T11:41:31Z")
Nurse! Hugs for everybody! Stat! Code condition cerise: People’s feelings are being hurt… On the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/130 "2012-07-06T11:47:32Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > So you think the stats are slanted by the convictions of the researchers. Coming from nyx, that’s pretty rich. After all it’s pretty clear that nyx is _all_ conviction. Perhaps he meant that the statistics quoted relied on numbers of criminal convictions, rather than arrests or reports. [They don’t](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245), but maybe he wanted something to throw out there and didn’t actually read the cites. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/131 "2012-07-06T12:03:58Z")
> [@Suil\_Dubh](#): > > People’s feelings are being hurt… On the internet. Take it easy killer. No need to jump the gun. Let’s wait until someone’s butt gets hurt. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/132 "2012-07-06T12:47:29Z")
> [@mister nyx](#): > > So I find fallacious, inapplicable statistics to back me up! Huh, that’s the first time I’ve heard someone accuse statistics of being fallacious. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/133 "2012-07-06T14:48:00Z")
It’s also clear that from his heel-digging resistance to do anything other than say in effect “my post is my cite and all you SDMB eggheads are fucking stupid” that’s he’s trolling us and having a good laugh while doing it. Found a cite yet for your 95% claim, mister nyx? I notice you tap-danced around my request for one. Again. You made a claim, then say you shouldn’t back it up because **to back up your own claim** would be “find(ing) random numbers” - in other words, you’re trolling and trolling in fine style. Actually, you should go ahead and try. Random numbers make about as much sense as your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/134 "2012-07-06T15:33:25Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > \ > I’ve never said anything like what you claim I said about the posters here, but it’s sort of telling that all these LGBT Dopers didn’t give enough of a shit to actually stand up to that appalling idiocy. > \ > [@mister\_nyx](#): > > \ > (I doubt there is any community in the world in which that would be ‘debatable’ except for this defective place.) > \ > [@mister\_nyx](#): > > \ > Even before you examine the bizarro attitudes on display here (which certainly go to reinforce my opinions of this community.) > [@mister\_nyx](#): > > \ > You didn’t step up because you don’t give a crap about the facts. Which, well, is clearly the norm around here. > \ > [@mister\_nyx](#): > > IDK why. My opinions change when subjected to actual arguments. The SDMB hasn’t changed them for the obvious reason. > [@mister\_nyx](#): > > \ > But, of course, actual facts mean shit here at the SDMB. > \ > How is it inaccurate to conclude that Dopers aren’t, on average, really fucking stupid > \ > [@mister\_nyx](#): > > \ > :rolleyes: Arguing with a Doper is like arguing with Charlie Sheen. Congratulations! You’re _WINNING_. > [@mister\_nyx](#): > > \ > Of course, I am the only Doper who actually gives a crap about citations, so they got roundly ignored, because those citations didn’t reinforce the existing Dope opinion. > \ > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Personally I don’t care about the bluster, but if a poster includes some sort of, “I guess that’s just the fucked up way this stupid message board runs,” type statement with every post, then … fucking leave. > > I never get that. “This place sucks, you all suck. Suck, suck, suck. And I just feel the need to stick around to and remind everybody of how displeased I am ad nauseum.” > > Tediously irritating is what it is. QFT ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/135 "2012-07-06T15:49:55Z")
Somewhere, there is a digital clock counting down the minutes until the halfwitted **Nyx** is BANNED. Beer and hot wings for all when it reaches 0. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/136 "2012-07-06T17:25:27Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > “Of course, I am the only Doper…” You, sir, are no Doper. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/137 "2012-07-06T18:50:45Z")
> [@mister\_nyx](#): > > Oh, dude, I get that people here hate me. And it’s obvious that a big part of the reason is that I’m not wrapped up in trying to be liked by people like you, Miller. (Seriously, it’s sort of hard to believe anyone you’ve ever known has been worried about whether you liked them. I mean, jeez, who the hell would care?) > > At any rate, that has nothing to do with what I said, though. You didn’t step up because you don’t give a crap about the facts. Which, well, is clearly the norm around here. If you gave a shit about facts, it wouldn’t be dependent on whether or not you liked me, would it? Actually, the real reason I didn’t step up is because I don’t have any fucking idea what thread you’re talking about. Based on what I’ve seen of your posts, though, I’m guessing the reason no one sprang to your defense was because you had, once again, failed utterly to understand another person’s position, and as is your habit, you made your customary leap from, “I can’t understand what this person is saying,” to “This person must therefore be a bigot.” Don’t feel too lonely, though. You’re far from the only poster here who can’t tell the difference between “making a sound, factually supportable argument,” and “yelling really loud.” ---
**Author:** ![MichaelEmouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/michaelemouse/32/101_2.png) [@MichaelEmouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelEmouse)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/138 "2012-07-06T18:59:54Z")
Mister Nyx, Since you seem to dislike all/nearly all posters here, could you pass them in review individually and really tell them what you think about them? If you wish to start with me, I would be honored. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/139 "2012-07-06T19:06:04Z")
> [@MichaelEmouse](#): > > Mister Nyx, > > Since you seem to dislike all/nearly all posters here, could you pass them in review individually and really tell them what you think about them? > > If you wish to start with me, I would be honored. Imagine how you would feel if it turns out he likes you. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Suil\_Dubh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Suil\_Dubh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suil_Dubh)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001/140 "2012-07-06T22:19:40Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Somewhere, there is a digital clock counting down the minutes until the halfwitted **Nyx** is BANNED. Beer and hot wings for all when it reaches 0. > [@Rysdad](#): > > You, sir, are no Doper. > [@Shodan](#): > > Imagine how you would feel if it turns out he likes you. > > Regards, > Shodan What is this, high school? Yes, mister nyx is a nitwit. And, yes, there are a couple of people in this thread who have a legitimate beef with him. But the rest of you bandwagon jumpers are acting like a bunch of goofball adolescents. “WE DON’T LIKE HIM, AND HE DOESN’T HAVE ANY FRIENDS. LET’S BE MEAN TO HIM BECAUSE THERE ARE NO REPERCUSSIONS!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-is-irrelevant-to-mister-nyxx/624001.md?page=8)