# evidence that OJ was guilty **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 19, 2002, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927 "2002-12-19T23:35:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/41 "2002-12-20T18:28:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Walloon \* > \*\*…P.S. My brush with fame: In 1999 I invited Kato to a party in North Hollywood – and he came. \*\* Is he still there? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jeel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@jeel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeel)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/42 "2002-12-20T19:23:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*When I saw O.J. try on the glove, I was stunned. It was just like as if I tried on one of my wifes gloves. And given the constant evidence of police corruption in America and the particular racism evident in one cop and the missing or unaccounted blood drawn from O.J., there was enough doubt to acquit. Oh and not to forget the poor lab practices that could easily have cross-contaminated evidence. \*\* :rolleyes: I’m chiming in a little late on this one, but you are just as naive as the jury was with this stunt. Try this exercise: Obtain a pair of leather gloves that fit you nicely and after being soaked in blood, leave them out for a couple of days and allow the blood to dry. Put on a pair of rubber surgical gloves. Spread your hand like you’re about to palm a basketball and try on the gloves. What was funny, was seeing how “stunned” OJ was when he found out that he was so easily able to make his own gloves look too small for him. Watch the video again, and you’ll see what I mean! Poor lab practices… :rolleyes:…I think it had to do with stupid people on the jury and the prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![kip70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f9b8f/32.png) [@kip70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kip70)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/43 "2002-12-20T20:19:32Z")
A while ago I saw a documentary on the BBC about the case. It came up with a new theory: OJ was at the murder scene and stepped in the blood and all, but it was his son who did the actual killing. All the evidence they came up with was very convincing. Haven’t any of you heard of this theory? ---
**Author:** ![Opus1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/858c86/32.png) [@Opus1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Opus1)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/44 "2002-12-20T23:34:24Z")
> [@](#): > > A while ago I saw a documentary on the BBC about the case. It came up with a new theory: OJ was at the murder scene and stepped in the blood and all, but it was his son who did the actual killing. All the evidence they came up with was very convincing. > Haven’t any of you heard of this theory? Paging Mr. William, paging Mr. William of Ockham, please come to this thread, you’re services are needed immediately… ---
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/45 "2002-12-20T23:35:53Z")
kip70: Nope. Enright3: It was from jay leno, I just remembered. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/46 "2002-12-20T23:45:07Z")
i read in bugliosi’s book that one of his (bugliosi’s) high muckety-muck fbi lab pals said that the ugly-ass shoe evidence was really worthless, since there was nothing to distinguish that shoe print from any other one. oj lied for nothing! while i think oj was guilty (actually, i would bet money on it) i would not convict him in THAT court room. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/47 "2002-12-21T00:39:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enright3 \* > \*\*I hereby proclaim that slow moving white Bronco jokes are not allowed in this thread! \*\* So Ed McCaffrey walks into a bar … ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/48 "2002-12-21T07:50:42Z")
One of John Douglas’s books on profiling has a chapter or section on OJ. I can’t remember it off hand, but if you buy into the profiling thing then OJ fits that profile to a “t”. Worth spending 10 minutes in a library or bookstore to read this piece. ---
**Author:** ![RiverRunner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/977dab/32.png) [@RiverRunner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RiverRunner)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/49 "2002-12-21T14:55:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by furt \* > \*\*So Ed McCaffrey walks into a bar … \*\* Waaahahaha! I almost shot milk through my nose when I read that one. RR ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/50 "2002-12-21T17:36:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Talking about his life before and after the murders, Simpson asks Farber, if he did kill his ex, “it would have to have been because I loved her very much, right?” From [Eonline.com](http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,2337,00.html) which is referring to an Esquire interview that I am unable to locate online. Simpson sure seems to have been able to “get into the mind” of the killer, he’s hot on the trail. ---
**Author:** ![Jake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jake)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/51 "2002-12-21T17:57:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Justice should never be left up to the whim of a mob. Blackclaw, well said. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/52 "2002-12-21T18:40:54Z")
OK, so most of the available evidence has been (re-) presented in this thread. Can anyone think of an earthly reason it should stay open? Unless someone has something to say as the Ed McCafferty joke, I’m gonna close it. ---
**Author:** ![occ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8c91f0/32.png) [@occ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/occ)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/53 "2002-12-21T23:05:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zoe \* > \*\*I remember reading somewhere that for the police to frame O.J., over sixty policemen would have had to organize that framing in a very short period of time – ten minutes, perhaps. > \*\* Also, why the hell would the LAPD have wanted to frame OJ Simpson? What, because he was black and successful? Give me a break. Certainly police corruption exists, and certainly, police racism exists – but not on any sort of grand, top-on-down scale. Not to the degree where a “smear campaign” would be put out on a prominent entertainer/athlete for the reason of simple bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![TheLadyLion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d78d45/32.png) [@TheLadyLion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLadyLion)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/54 "2002-12-21T23:39:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*When I saw O.J. try on the glove, I was stunned. It was just like as if I tried on one of my wifes gloves. And given the constant evidence of police corruption in America and the particular racism evident in one cop and the missing or unaccounted blood drawn from O.J., there was enough doubt to acquit. Oh and not to forget the poor lab practices that could easily have cross-contaminated evidence. \*\* I was just as shocked when I saw him try on the gloves. However, I also read shortly thereafter that the gloves had a lining that was not properly placed back into the fingers of the gloves before OJ tried them on. The defense team (smart guys that they were) knew this and used it as a strategy against the defense’s allegations. Too bad that having OJ try on the gloves didn’t constitute putting him on the stand. I think he would have made a total idiot out of himself without much effort. Unfortunately, I think **grienspace** is correct saying there was enough evidence making the investigation look botched that OJ got to walk free. Several of the jurors actually believed he was guilty (see People magazine articles shortly after the verdict) but had to vote according to law of “beyond a reasonable doubt.” What do I think? ORENTHAL JAMES SIMPSON, YOU ARE GUILTY OF TWO COUNTS OF FIRST DEGREE MURDER. ---
**Author:** ![lucwarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@lucwarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lucwarm)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/55 "2002-12-22T00:45:32Z")
IMHO, the facts that (1) OJ was Nicole’s ex-husband; (2) they had a history of domestic violence; (3) OJ couldn’t account for his whereabouts at the time of the murder; and (4) there were no other viable suspects together make it 99% certain that he is the killer. The reality is that when a woman is murdered in America, it’s usually her boyfriend, husband, ex-boyfriend, or ex-husband. (no I don’t have a cite) ---
**Author:** ![TheLadyLion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d78d45/32.png) [@TheLadyLion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLadyLion)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/56 "2002-12-22T01:07:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lucwarm \* > \*\*The reality is that when a woman is murdered in America, it’s usually her boyfriend, husband, ex-boyfriend, or ex-husband. (no I don’t have a cite) \*\* The three studies cited in the website below say from 30% to 52% of the murders of women were committed by a husband, ex-husband, common-law husband or boyfriend. We might want to estimate a few more percent for those perpetrated by ex-boyfriends or spurned-wannabe-boyfriends. [http://www.actabuse.com/dvstats\_4.html#6](http://www.actabuse.com/dvstats_4.html#6) ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/57 "2002-12-22T01:35:17Z")
IMO, OJ’s proof of innocence would have come from some of the most compelling evidence for the prosecution. Supposively, the LAPD found all this blood in OJ’s house (in the foyer, his bedroom, his bathroom) yet it them 5 days to put out an arrest warrant for OJ. If they found all this blood, why did it take them so long to arrest OJ? Because he was a celebrity? I don’t think so after he alledgely brutally murdered two individuals. BTW, I really do think OJ killed Nicole and Ron. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/58 "2002-12-22T06:21:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jeel \* > \*\* > What was funny, was seeing how “stunned” OJ was when he found out that he was so easily able to make his own gloves look too small for him. Watch the video again, and you’ll see what I mean! > \*\* I remember that, and what chilled me to the bone was how OJ was laughing and smiling as he tried to put on the gloves. Now think: Whatever else there is, those gloves are those of the killer. They were worn by someone who slew someone you claimed you would do anything for, even take a bullet. Now you are asked to put them on. They.are.the.gloves.of.the.killer. I would not be laughing and smiling if I was innocent and had to try on the killer’s gloves, that is for sure. The proscution made some mistakes, but the boneheaded jury is at fault. Some of their comments post-trial indicate they weren’t even paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![lucwarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@lucwarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lucwarm)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/59 "2002-12-22T14:35:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TheLadyLion \* > \*\*The three studies cited in the website below say from 30% to 52% of the murders of women were committed by a husband, ex-husband, common-law husband or boyfriend. We might want to estimate a few more percent for those perpetrated by ex-boyfriends or spurned-wannabe-boyfriends. > > [http://www.actabuse.com/dvstats\_4.html#6](http://www.actabuse.com/dvstats_4.html#6) \*\* Interesting. I would’ve guessed it was more like 80 to 90%. Thanks for coming up with some numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2002, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927/60 "2002-12-22T14:56:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by autz \* > \*\*Is there any chance he’s really not guilty? \*\* There have been times, in the past, when if the prosecution has been found to by lying in its testimony, in any way, against someone that the entire case was thrown out. It has been proven that the prosecution committed perjury, and lied on the witness stand under oath. The star witness, the guy that linked O.J. to the crime, the guy that found the glove when no one else found it, the guy that saw a drop of blood in the dark from 30 feet away: Mark Furman, definitely, positively, LIED in his testimony on the witness stand, and then subsequently took the 5th ammenndment when he was questioned about perjury. I, for one, would never convict anyone if I found out that the prosecution was committing perjury in its testimony, fabricated evidence, or lied about someone trying to get a conviction. If the prosecution are proven liars, then “what else”??? in its case are they lying about? I would not trust ANY evidence brought into the trial by a proven liar, or by a government that is lying in its prosecution. There is absoulely no reason at all for our government to lie and commit perjury against any citizen of the United States. If the government cannot prosecute someone without lying, then no citizen should be put on trial. Once the prosecution commits perjury in a trial, the defendant should be let go all the time. It doesnt matter if he is guilty or not, and no one will ever know if he is really guilty or not, since the evidence presented against him was untrue. How much was untrue, we will never know. We have seen other cases where even the FBI lab has fabricated evidence, and other cases in Los Angeles where the police have been found to be lyiing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-that-oj-was-guilty/143927.md?page=4)