# Evil Captor's suspension **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172 "2006-03-13T15:49:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/201 "2006-03-14T05:31:43Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Sorry. I probably would have found a slightly more politic way of putting it had we not had six other morons before you popping up with the same idiocy. At a certain point I find it difficult to suffer fools any longer. Yeah, that was pretty much an unprovoked attack on your part, and fuck you again for calling me and idiot and fool on your next post, christ. You characterized this thread as four pages of “explanations,” so what if I see it as four pages of rationalizations, was just stating my opinion, no reason to start jumping on me, was my first post on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/202 "2006-03-14T05:37:35Z")
Don’t worry about it too much **Operation Ripper**. He’s like that. You’ll learn to get used to it. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/203 "2006-03-14T05:40:52Z")
> [@Operation Ripper](#): > > Yeah, that was pretty much an unprovoked attack on your part, and fuck you again for calling me and idiot and fool on your next post, christ. You characterized this thread as four pages of “explanations,” so what if I see it as four pages of rationalizations, was just stating my opinion, no reason to start jumping on me, was my first post on the subject. Of course there was reason to jump on you. You were about the fifth person to pop up and say, “Well I think it’s all just because they don’t like bondage!” That’s stupid. Me and a bunch of other people have explained exactly why **Evil Captor** ’s behavior was unacceptable for several pages (not to mention during the previous pit threads as well.) Many of us - myself included - have confessed to having similarly outlandish sexual interests, which makes your argument a complete non-starter. And you didn’t come up with any reasoning either. Your post amounted to, “Yeah, well, all of you are lying about your motives.” Did you expect that to go over well? Why can’t you come up with any reason for what you think? After this thread and several others on the topic, I at least am quite sick of being told that I’m really upset because I secretly hate **Evil Captor** ’s sexual practices. It’s grossly insulting to all of the people who have a problem with **Evil Captor** ’s _conduct_ (and he confessed - in a post linked by **Guinastasia** - to getting a certain thrill out of the nonconsentual aspect of bringing others into conversations about the topic when they don’t enjoy it) to claim that we’re really only pissed because for some reason our hobby is persecuting bondage enthusiasts. So you jumped into this thread, and vomited out a post. That post was grossly insulting, and completely unsupported by evidence or reason to boot. Why do you deserve anything better than being jumped all over for coming in here and insulting me (and quite a number of other people) without even coming up with anything to support your claims? Like I said - stupid. It was a stupid post, and odds are decent that you’re a stupid person. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/204 "2006-03-14T05:43:12Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Don’t worry about it too much **Operation Ripper**. He’s like that. You’ll learn to get used to it. Yep. I’m very bad at hiding my irritation when people come in and act aggressively stupid. You are well aware, as we’ve crossed paths numerous times, and your absolutely mind-boggling stupidity has earned my ire. ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/205 "2006-03-14T05:46:40Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Like I said - stupid. It was a stupid post, and odds are decent that you’re a stupid person. So, you going to get me suspended too? ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/206 "2006-03-14T05:54:22Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > **lissener** , if you’re still reading this: No, she implied that him being suspended _solely_ for jerkish behavior was as utterly ridiculous as trying to sell someone the Brooklyn Brodge; that he was suspended for _both_ the subject matter _and_ the jerkish hijacking. This is perfectly clear to everyone except you. See the straw now? No, what she said was: > [@](#): > > Third floor; Brooklyn Bridge, used swamp land, Arizona beachfront condos, ladies’ toiletries. Period. The sarcastic hyperbole of her response I parsed to mean that I was so far off the mark that, implicitly, the opposite was true. She never said “solely.” She said _“Third floor; Brooklyn Bridge, used swamp land, Arizona beachfront condos, ladies’ toiletries.”_ So you parsed the word “solely” out of that, while I parsed “you’re outta your frickin gourd, crazy enough to try to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge.” See? No straw. Frankly, I buy her subsequent “solely” as backtrack bullshit. YMMV. In any case, my response remains straw free. So again I say, just say what you fucking mean, and this kind of loopy tangent might be avoided. Cuz I, for one, am probly gonna take sarcastic hyperbole to be closer to “you’re outta your frickin gourd” than “let’s see if we can strike a balance somewhere in the middle ground.” ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/207 "2006-03-14T05:54:50Z")
> [@Operation Ripper](#): > > So, you going to get me suspended too? Obviously I can’t. And there’s certainly no rule here about posting while stupid. Doesn’t change tha fact that you did it. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/208 "2006-03-14T05:56:39Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, no, there it WAS appropriate. However, he also admitted that there’s an element of the unconsensual when you drop something like that “cold.” That’s all. It was very revealing. > > If he stuck to threads like that, and talked about his sexual kinks, I wouldn’t have a problem. > > But he didn’t and when you said, “Whoa, dude, TMI!” he come back all idignant about how you were an unenlightened frigid prude. > > He reminds me of **december**. Contrary to what some people said, **december** wasn’t banned because of his political beliefs. It was because he trolled constantly and when you disagreed with him, he accused you of supporting terrorism, or anti-semitism, or whatever. > So none of this shit that **Evil Captor** was suspended (and NOT banned!) because he was into bondage. He was suspended because he liked to sneak the topic into unrelated discussions, started threads that looked like they were about something else, but so he could sneak it in again, and was extremely dishonest when called on it. “Not I! I don’t know WHAT you’re talking about! You’re just some kind of prude!” > > You got the feeling he was getting off, not on bondage topics, but on the fact that he was sneaking it in, making people uncomfortable, and laughing about it. Oh, okay. I actually had never noticed him particularly before Inkleberry’s thread in the Pit, and then after that every thread I saw his name in, somebody was saying things like, “Evil Captor, this thread isn’t about bondage, what are you doing here?”–even when he wasn’t discussing anything to do with bondage! ::backs out of thread:: ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/209 "2006-03-14T06:03:03Z")
> [@Hilarity N. Suze](#): > > Oh, okay. I actually had never noticed him particularly before Inkleberry’s thread in the Pit, and then after that every thread I saw his name in, somebody was saying things like, “Evil Captor, this thread isn’t about bondage, what are you doing here?”–even when he wasn’t discussing anything to do with bondage! > > ::backs out of thread:: People were dicks to him in the aftermath of that thread. No denying it. But he was a dick too - I can’t find the post, but he felt like he’d “won” the thread, and he was pretty smug about it, and added “bondage bondage bondage bondage bondage” to the end of a post just to needle those of us who had been irritated. And IIRC some of his posse jumped up to praise him for being oh so funny and clever in posting it. I wonder if he would have gotten prodded that way had he responded with a bit more grace and a bit less smugness. ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/210 "2006-03-14T06:12:23Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Obviously I can’t. And there’s certainly no rule here about posting while stupid. Doesn’t change tha fact that you did it. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. William F. Buckley, Jr.! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/211 "2006-03-14T06:18:09Z")
**Operation Ripper** : Just a bit of friendly advice, but were I you, I wouldn’t waste my time with your current sparring partner. He’s rather unhinged and comes to this message board to start fights. He’s really not worth your time. ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/212 "2006-03-14T06:20:02Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > **Operation Ripper** : Just a bit of friendly advice, but were I you, I wouldn’t waste my time with your current sparring partner. He’s rather unhinged and comes to this message board to start fights. He’s really not worth your time. Roger that, and on that note I bid you adieu. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/213 "2006-03-14T06:23:23Z")
> [@Operation Ripper](#): > > So, you going to get me suspended too? Dude, while Excalibre’s responses to you are not conducive to getting you to hear his point, you should consider the message behind the mad. The fact is that many of the people who have objected to EC’s jerkish conduct–myself included–have far kinkier sex lives/fantasies than the shit he dumps into unrelated threads. So your gut feeling, your unsupported assumption, that people who object to him are not being honest, and their hidden agenda is actually prudishness, is quite simply wrong. And the fact that it’s been discussed into the ground suggests that you might NOT actually have read all the threads concerned. Because what you’re essentially doing is this. Picture a symposium on Intelligent Design. Say that, after two weeks and hundreds of hours of lectures and debates, most of the creationists have finally managed to absorb enough information that they’ve finally come to understand that evolution is an established fact of science. A lot of education has gone on, and a particular item of discussion has achieved a near consensus. You come in the last 20 minutes and go, “Yeah, well, I believe in creationism because the bible tells me to and it just makes more sense to me. There’s no such thing as evolution and scientists are atheists who hate God.” That’s an unforgivably strained analogy, but hopefully you see the point I’m trying to make. That point is, your post, that ticked Excalibre off so much, can mean only one of two things: A) you have NOT in fact read all the relevant discussions that have led up to this point, or B) you HAVE read them and you’re calling Excalibre, me, and everyone one else who’s just as kinky as EC but doesn’t like their kink spread randomly around the entire fucking board, _liars_. So you can see why he’d fly off the handle. I suggest you read [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=360053) thread for the perspective of some of the people who object to EC’s behavior on non-sexual grounds. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/214 "2006-03-14T06:40:06Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Dude, while Excalibre’s responses to you are not conducive to getting you to hear his point, you should consider the message behind the mad. > > The fact is that many of the people who have objected to EC’s jerkish conduct–myself included–have far kinkier sex lives/fantasies than the shit he dumps into unrelated threads. > > So your gut feeling, your unsupported assumption, that people who object to him are not being honest, and their hidden agenda is actually prudishness, is quite simply wrong. And the fact that it’s been discussed into the ground suggests that you might NOT actually have read all the threads concerned. > > Because what you’re essentially doing is this. Picture a symposium on Intelligent Design. Say that, after two weeks and hundreds of hours of lectures and debates, most of the creationists have finally managed to absorb enough information that they’ve finally come to understand that evolution is an established fact of science. A lot of education has gone on, and a particular item of discussion has achieved a near consensus. You come in the last 20 minutes and go, “Yeah, well, I believe in creationism because the bible tells me to and it just makes more sense to me. There’s no such thing as evolution and scientists are atheists who hate God.” > > That’s an unforgivably strained analogy, but hopefully you see the point I’m trying to make. > > That point is, your post, that ticked Excalibre off so much, can mean only one of two things: A) you have NOT in fact read all the relevant discussions that have led up to this point, or B) you HAVE read them and you’re calling Excalibre, me, and everyone one else who’s just as kinky as EC but doesn’t like their kink spread randomly around the entire fucking board, _liars_. > > So you can see why he’d fly off the handle. > > I suggest you read [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=360053) thread for the perspective of some of the people who object to EC’s behavior on non-sexual grounds. If we traded turns posting, between the two of us we could probably put on a good semblance of sanity and reasonable conduct. Oh, and **FinnAgain** - are you _still_ bitter about that stuff? Christ, you’re a pissy little thing. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/215 "2006-03-14T07:09:06Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Sorry . . . my knickers are in a twist over this whole issue because last time it came up, **Evil Captor** ’s pals lost no time in painting me as some sort of prude leading a crusade on behalf of the snark board denizens (a ludicrous idea in itself, as the place is about as unified as the former Yugoslavia.) The absolute mendacity of **Evil Captor** and his supporters has rendered me a tad bitchy. Sucks when someone paints you as “leading a crusade on behalf of the snark board denizens”, don’t it? I agree with you that people who levy such an accusation are worthy of contempt and scorn. And the fact that they never apologized? I suppose the only thing you could do would be to lead by example. Regarding **Evil Captor** , I’ve no problem with the suspension, as I agree that the content of his hijacks was secondary to the manner of them. I do wonder where this 30 day time period came from. That’s an awfully long time. I’d think two weeks or even ten days would be sufficient. Not just this particular scenario, but in general. For the mods, have you ever suspended anyone who came back and behaved themselves? Assuming you have, do you really think it was the last couple weeks of the suspension that did the trick? As in, if it were only two weeks, they would have come back still problematic instead? 30 days is a bit draconian, is all I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/216 "2006-03-14T07:11:12Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Yep. I’m very bad at hiding my irritation when people come in and act aggressively stupid. You are well aware, as we’ve crossed paths numerous times, and your absolutely mind-boggling stupidity has earned my ire. > [@Excalibre](#): > > Oh, and FinnAgain - are you still bitter about that stuff? Christ, you’re a pissy little thing. Heh. The voice of reason when it comes to carrying baggage. :rolleyes: **Excalibre** , I’m not very concerned with your ire. I’ve explained myself to you regarding another thread, you either skipped it or didn’t care to take it for what it was worth, and want to continue embracing your anger. I can’t change it, and for you I have no wish to attempt to. Your mind is made up on the matter and there is no changing it. I feel bad knowing you think I hate you based on your preferences. I don’t. You give me reasons to dislike you that are much more important than who you sleep with. Based on your absurd allegations of my character and who I am is reason enough to discredit anything you say. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/217 "2006-03-14T07:13:11Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > Sucks when someone paints you as “leading a crusade on behalf of the snark board denizens”, don’t it? I agree with you that people who levy such an accusation are worthy of contempt and scorn. And the fact that they never apologized? I suppose the only thing you could do would be to lead by example. You’re right. I’m sorry. I don’t like this whole attack on **Seige** deal, but I had no evidence that you were doing it on behalf of the nonnies. > [@](#): > > 30 days is a bit draconian, is all I’m saying. Given his shitty behavior about it when a number of people asked him to stop it, and the fact that he wouldn’t even when the mods told him several times, I don’t see why it’s to be expected that 30 days off will do anything either. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/218 "2006-03-14T07:27:25Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Heh. The voice of reason when it comes to carrying baggage. :rolleyes: > > **Excalibre** , I’m not very concerned with your ire. I’ve explained myself to you regarding another thread, you either skipped it or didn’t care to take it for what it was worth, and want to continue embracing your anger. I can’t change it, and for you I have no wish to attempt to. Your mind is made up on the matter and there is no changing it. > > I feel bad knowing you think I hate you based on your preferences. I don’t. You give me reasons to dislike you that are much more important than who you sleep with. Based on your absurd allegations of my character and who I am is reason enough to discredit anything you say. The ironic part is that I’ve tried explaining how what you did made you look bad like five times, and from your responses, it’s absolutely apparent that you simply don’t get it. I’ve been generally praised for my abilities to explain complex or technical matters in lucid, comprehensible ways, so I don’t think it’s me. Let me try one more time, **duffer**. The thread was pretty simple. It basically boiled down to this: “These people are homophobes. Homophobia sucks.” Now, you claim that you would agree with that, right? Homophobia is bad, no? But you came in to the thread and jumped right in and (in your words) presented a “counterpoint.” It has nothing to do with whether it was socially appropriate to start a debate in that thread. It has to do with the fact that the whole “argument” in the thread so far was pretty much “homophobia is bad.” So why did you feel the need to come in and offer a “counterpoint” to the idea that “homophobia is bad”? If you are not a homophobe, then that’s a point you agree with, right? Then why’d you have to _argue that point?_ I don’t know whether you’re a homophobe. At first it seemed like clumsily coded homophobia, but now I’m more convinced that you simply don’t get how you came across. I’ve tried to explain why you came across like a complete dick in that thread - and I’m thinking you simply don’t recognize the effect of what you said. You started arguing against the idea that “homophobia is bad”. That makes it look like you think that homophobia is _not_ bad. Maybe you don’t actually think so. But you certainly made it look that way. Frankly, you came across like a dick. I’m beginning to get the idea that you simply have no idea how you came off or why you looked so bad, which makes your complete intransigence a little bit more understandable. But you _did_ look like you were simply standing up to defend homophobia. It’s not about whether there was room for a debate in that thread. It’s about the way you tried to start - you started arguing against what had been said in the thread. And all that had been said was basically, “Homophobia is bad.” Apparently you didn’t mean to defend homophobia, but that’s pretty much what you did, in essence. At very least, your post earlier in this thread where you said that it hadn’t even occurred to you that gay people might be hurt by homophobia suggests major insensitivity. Which is something you oughta work on. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/219 "2006-03-14T07:32:51Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Given his shitty behavior about it when a number of people asked him to stop it, and the fact that he wouldn’t even when the mods told him several times, I don’t see why it’s to be expected that 30 days off will do anything either. I agree completely. I suspect that in 30 days, he’ll come back and within two weeks it’ll be more of the same, followed by a banning. If the suspension were only two weeks, it would simply speed up the inevitable. But whether or not he will mend his ways, odds are he’s _already_ made up his mind how he will react once reinstated. Getting that “you’ve been suspended for 30 days” email is quite jarring. And thanks for the apology. Accepted. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/220 "2006-03-14T07:43:02Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > I agree completely. I suspect that in 30 days, he’ll come back and within two weeks it’ll be more of the same, followed by a banning. If the suspension were only two weeks, it would simply speed up the inevitable. > > But whether or not he will mend his ways, odds are he’s _already_ made up his mind how he will react once reinstated. Getting that “you’ve been suspended for 30 days” email is quite jarring. > > And thanks for the apology. Accepted. Think of the street cred he’ll get! He can tell all his IRL bondage buddies that he was so dangerous to the complacent status quo that he had to be silenced! He will continue to believe that he is a martyr to the noble cause of universal sexual liberation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172.md?page=12)