# Evil Captor's suspension **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172 "2006-03-13T15:49:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/101 "2006-03-13T22:56:53Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Well, there’s one way to remedy that. You think people go there to anonymously talk about OTHER people? Heh, good point. Except now the source’d be too obvious if a lot of scorn came out of nowhere, directed at me. Maybe if I spell my name wrong… pretty much everyone does… ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/102 "2006-03-13T23:01:51Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > –Rigby, into vanilla sex and finds bondage icky. YMMV. All respect an all, but this continued mischaracterization of why EC has been frequently taken to task continues to muddy the waters. The sexual content of his post kept him, if anything, protected from suspension for a long time. The real issue here is his jerkishness, not his squickiness. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/103 "2006-03-13T23:14:35Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > –Rigby, into vanilla sex and finds bondage icky. YMMV. Pleased to meet you. I"m Lute and I practice a couple of deviant behaviors that I wouldn’t dare bring onto the board because I know that (1) it’s not an appropriate place for such and (2) some people, like me, would rather not hear or see anything about anyone else’s sex life. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/104 "2006-03-13T23:17:43Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > All respect an all, but this continued mischaracterization of why EC has been frequently taken to task continues to muddy the waters. The sexual content of his post kept him, if anything, protected from suspension for a long time. The real issue here is his jerkishness, not his squickiness. Third floor; Brooklyn Bridge, used swamp land, Arizona beachfront condos, ladies’ toiletries. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/105 "2006-03-13T23:22:42Z")
When I started my EC/lissener Pit thread about the constant jokes, I didn’t really know the guy or his deal. I lurked for years before posting, so it’s not like I wasn’t around to see him do his schtick. I did notice it a couple times. That’s kind of a lot of times to notice somebody getting horny over rape scenes in movies – EC says he does not enjoy these scenes, and that’s where I got off the train, because I saw it was going to crash into total confusion. I’ve read the way he describes those scenes and it is _absolutely prurient_ in nature. There’s a kind of drooling detail that can’t be explained away merely by a kinky worldview, because _believe me_ I’ve got a kinky worldview. I bet I’m kinkier than EC, by far, in fact; my fetishes just don’t happen to include showing off my fetishes on messages boards. Much. I will make any joke, it’s true. But I won’t start a Cafe Society thread called something innocent like “Movie Costumes Through the Ages” and then start posting frame-by-frame breakdowns of every single scene containing the kinds of boots I may or may not have a particular kind of fondness for. And _if I did_, I definitely wouldn’t then act all innocent when I got called on it. “Boots? What are you talking about? I just thought the social implications of the jackbooted-thug-like imagery were worth commenting upon…” Now, this has been building in my brain for some time. That Pit thread, among others, especially some of lissener’s points, really got me thinking. And in order to tell you this I have to tell you something else, which is that I used to do phone sex for a living, all right? So you know, I’ve heard it all. And I’m _definitely not a prude._ What EC increasingly began to remind me of, as I looked through the history more closely, was a particular kind of client who got off on “getting away with it”. This is precisely what lissener and others have been alleging of EC all along, of course. And I wanted to hear some evidence, because it’s a big charge to make. I started to see that evidence, and I also started to notice that a lot of smart people were saying the same thing. Eventually the tide of truth is overwhelming, and my own gut reaction – which I wanted to ignore because frankly since I escaped that job I tend to see it a lot of places it’s not – was sadly verified. Here’s an example. Call this client Jim. He’s married, got a kid, nice job, big house, lots of money, and a secret stash of gay porn so big he had to rent an apartment for it (as well as for the phone to call us with). He was obsessed with it – not just the content, you dig, but the fact of it, P-O-R-N flashing in pink neon in his head. He loved going to buy it, seeing it all around him, talking about it. He could get off listening to us read descriptions of the movies, or making us keep track of his collection and reading him back all the titles. Man loved him some gay porn is what I’m saying, and what he loved _most of all_ was working it into every possible moment of his life somehow. Sneaking it at work, or in the bathroom during dinner with his family. Dragging strangers into his fantasy world by flashing them his porn, or his dick, in public. His goal was _total saturation_. He’s not actually getting off with every little flourish, he’s just building up the fantasy world. I could tell a thousand stories like this, for different fetishes. Diaper guys, guys who are really into wearing panties, etc. For every healthy, normal person with a normal weird fantasy life, there’s another one whose own fetishes have made him a little unhinged. No one can say for sure if some form of that is what EC’s deal is, but looking at the evidence, based on my experience, I’d say the odds are good there’s more to his behavior than just a hobbyist’s enthusiasm for something many people find distasteful. And as others have said, it turns an otherwise decent poster into a problem. I too hope he comes back and tries to keep in mind that even if none of this is accurate, he’s giving people that impression, too many different people to dismiss it as mere squeamishness. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/106 "2006-03-13T23:30:43Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > \ > > **Excal** --what’s got your knickers in a twist? It was just a remark, made by me. I have no fears or doubts of any Mod banning me–I’m waaaaay too boring for that! Sorry . . . my knickers are in a twist over this whole issue because last time it came up, **Evil Captor** ’s pals lost no time in painting me as some sort of prude leading a crusade on behalf of the snark board denizens (a ludicrous idea in itself, as the place is about as unified as the former Yugoslavia.) The absolute mendacity of **Evil Captor** and his supporters has rendered me a tad bitchy. ---
**Author:** ![Interrobang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/interrobang/32/17463_2.png) [@Interrobang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interrobang)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/107 "2006-03-13T23:37:07Z")
I’m not 100% convinced that **Evil Captor** isn’t just tone deaf – really tone deaf – about how his comments come across to a lot of people. And I’m not convinced he’s getting a sexual charge out of his Board behavior. But I lost a lot of respect for him in **Ensign Edison** ’s pit thread, given how he presented himself. And regardless, his motives aren’t the issue – his behavior is, and he’s old enough and smart enough to know he’s been breaking the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/108 "2006-03-13T23:38:30Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > Third floor; Brooklyn Bridge, used swamp land, Arizona beachfront condos, ladies’ toiletries. I read this as an implication that the real reason **Evil Captor** ’s being banned is because of his particular interests, not his obnoxious conduct in deliberately bringing it up at inappropriate times. Did I read you right? Do you really believe that’s true? I don’t want to call you all sorts of names until I’m sure you deserve it - but that’s a pretty major insult to all of us pervs who have nothing against bondage but have something major against the way **Evil Captor** tried to drag others into his interest in thread after thread. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/109 "2006-03-13T23:40:24Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > Third floor; Brooklyn Bridge, used swamp land, Arizona beachfront condos, ladies’ toiletries. Right, because no one else has ever been modded for obnoxious hijack habits. MUST be repressed prudishness. Oh your laserlike insight Maureen. We stand exposed, awed by by your powers. Oh. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/110 "2006-03-13T23:44:13Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Right, because no one else has ever been modded for obnoxious hijack habits. I do seem to remember a spate of massive-hijacks where a poster, who I’m sure we could all name, interjected his religious/political/etc beliefs into many, many threads. IIRC, he was never given a warning on-board for that… ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/111 "2006-03-13T23:46:17Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > I read this as an implication that the real reason **Evil Captor** ’s being banned is because of his particular interests, not his obnoxious conduct in deliberately bringing it up at inappropriate times. > > Did I read you right? Do you really believe that’s true? I don’t want to call you all sorts of names until I’m sure you deserve it - but that’s a pretty major insult to all of us pervs who have nothing against bondage but have something major against the way **Evil Captor** tried to drag others into his interest in thread after thread. No, I’m not saying that. I’m not even saying it wasn’t deserved; I’m sure it was. I didn’t participate in enough threads with him to say one way or the other. What I’m saying is that while it wasn’t the deciding factor, it was almost certainly a factor. The entire reason behind his first pitting was the “squick factor,” and plenty of people expressed the opinion that they found the tone of the posts “icky.” If enough people complain and it disrupts the board enough, the mods will take action. There are plenty of posters who are one trick ponies. One poster starts OP’s with nothing but a link to the Onion and one line. Another participates in very little but Buffy/Angel/Firefly threads. And so on. I find it hard to believe that the content had nothing to do with it, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/112 "2006-03-13T23:47:19Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Right, because no one else has ever been modded for obnoxious hijack habits. MUST be repressed prudishness. Oh your laserlike insight Maureen. We stand exposed, awed by by your powers. Oh. Or, you may just be an overreactionary drama queen. Take your pick. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/113 "2006-03-13T23:48:31Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I do seem to remember a spate of massive-hijacks where a poster, who I’m sure we could all name, interjected his religious/political/etc beliefs into many, many threads. IIRC, he was never given a warning on-board for that… Hm. Well, I could name two who were eventually banned for such behavior, at least one of us went down claiming he was a martyr to the subject matter, not the behavior. The other, I didn’t pay any attention to the banning, so I don’t know. But I think its very likely that he, too, thought his message was being silenced. Is that really a foreign concept? Al Sharpton calls everyone who thinks he’s obnoxious a racist, Martin Hyde calls everyone who disagrees with him unhinged liberals, GWB calls everyone who questions his actions terrorist lovers, and EC calls everyone who wishes he’d have better posting manners a prude? This is really that difficult to grasp? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/114 "2006-03-13T23:49:03Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > No, I’m not saying that. I’m not even saying it wasn’t deserved; I’m sure it was. I didn’t participate in enough threads with him to say one way or the other. > What I’m saying is that while it wasn’t the deciding factor, it was almost certainly a factor. The entire reason behind his first pitting was the “squick factor,” and plenty of people expressed the opinion that they found the tone of the posts “icky.” If enough people complain and it disrupts the board enough, the mods will take action. And the mods have made it clear that they don’t want the SDMB “Penthouseified”. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/115 "2006-03-13T23:51:17Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > Or, you may just be an overreactionary drama queen. Take your pick. Parsing . . . parsing . . . nope, non sequitur. Pointing out that EC’s bad manners is the issue, not his pornovision, is, it seems to me, the opposite of overreactionary. Perhaps you’ll explain. Or, perhaps you’ll just lob a nonsensical insult and bail. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/116 "2006-03-13T23:52:09Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > And the mods have made it clear that they don’t want the SDMB “Penthouseified”. As I said: I didn’t say it wasn’t deserved. Just that content was a factor. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/117 "2006-03-13T23:56:21Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > , into **vanilla** sex . HEY! How dare you!? She is an upright (uptight) and moral woman. It’s not her fault that off board stuff is supposed to stay off bo… wait a minute… ah, fuck it. Carry on. [imagine a deviously sarcastic but generally good natured fun smily here] Liss and Q, I was enjoying the petty bickering. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/118 "2006-03-13T23:56:48Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > There are plenty of posters who are one trick ponies. One poster starts OP’s with nothing but a link to the Onion and one line. Another participates in very little but Buffy/Angel/Firefly threads. And so on. I find it hard to believe that the content had nothing to do with it, is all. The fact that many of us–if I’m in any way a representative sample, which I grant might be a stretch–have no earthly idea who you’re talking about, while most everybody knows EC and his pony, should be a clue. One-trick-ponyism is, in itself, not obnoxious, and no one has said it is. Something you’ll never see a mod say: “It has come to my attention, **LongTimeLurker** , that you only come out the shadows when someone starts a thread on giant squids. This is an official warning. Don’t let it happen again.” It’s the obnoxiousness, the hijackiness, the sheer bad manners–as I’ve said before, the arrogance. You want to paint EC as a martyr to the Great BDSM Enlightment, Maureen, you knock yourself out. But you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2006, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/119 "2006-03-13T23:59:34Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > As I said: I didn’t say it wasn’t deserved. Just that content was a factor. Just backing you up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/120 "2006-03-14T00:00:16Z")
> [@Interrobang!?](#): > > I’m not 100% convinced that **Evil Captor** isn’t just tone deaf – really tone deaf – about how his comments come across to a lot of people. And I’m not convinced he’s getting a sexual charge out of his Board behavior. > > But I lost a lot of respect for him in **Ensign Edison** ’s pit thread, given how he presented himself. And regardless, his motives aren’t the issue – his behavior is, and he’s old enough and smart enough to know he’s been breaking the rules. The thing is, even if he were tone deaf, there’s no way he doesn’t know now that people think he’s coming across that way. Yeah, because of this issue sometimes posts of his that I find truly innocent get dragged up and condemned. But it’s not all mass hysteria, or prudishness, or even bias. You know how hard it would be for me to never, ever bring up bondage on this board? Not hard at all. Name any topic – even, say, movies, my favorite topic here – and not bringing it up would be trivial. I might be upset that I couldn’t, but if a large number of posters, as well as the mods in an official capacity, told me my posts about movies really got up everybody’s left nostril, _I would never mention movies again._ Because who cares? I can talk about movies in many other places, and why would I want to do it where people didn’t want me to? Why would anyone? Whatever the agenda, surely there must be one, even if it’s just “normalize discussion of naked slavegirls being molested by soldiers”. You’re right, his motivation is not the point, and I know in a lot of these discussions we make it the point. But it’s the way he attempts to defend himself, which calls into question the motives of those who criticize him, leaves him open to that fairly, I think. I don’t mean to kick him when he’s down. I’ve just been thinking about it a lot and felt I might express my conclusions. Again, I hope EC will join us again, and then stick to the forums at literotica and other appropriate sites to talk about bondage all day long, if he wants. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172.md?page=7)