# Evil Captor's suspension **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172 "2006-03-13T15:49:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/121 "2006-03-14T00:01:38Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > The fact that many of us–if I’m in any way a representative sample, which I grant might be a stretch–have no earthly idea who you’re talking about, while most everybody knows EC and his pony, should be a clue. > > One-trick-ponyism is, in itself, not obnoxious, and no one has said it is. > > Something you’ll never see a mod say: “It has come to my attention, **LongTimeLurker** , that you only come out the shadows when someone starts a thread on giant squids. This is an official warning. Don’t let it happen again.” > > It’s the obnoxiousness, the hijackiness, the sheer bad manners–as I’ve said before, the arrogance. You want to paint EC as a martyr to the Great BDSM Enlightment, Maureen, you knock yourself out. But you’re wrong. Mmhm. Y’know? You’re right! You so do not look like a drama queen by blowing my posts out of proportion. I’ve found a whole new respect for you. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/122 "2006-03-14T00:01:56Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > You want to paint EC as a martyr to the Great BDSM Enlightment, Maureen, you knock yourself out. That’s not anywhere near what she’s doing. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/123 "2006-03-14T00:02:24Z")
> [@Ensign Edison](#): > > But it’s the way he attempts to defend himself, which calls into question the motives of those who criticize him, leaves him open to that fairly, I think. Sorry, my first language is Martian. Try “But it’s the way he attempts to defend himself, in which he calls into question the motives of those who criticize him, which leaves him open to that fairly, I think.” ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/124 "2006-03-14T00:02:58Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > Mmhm. Y’know? You’re right! You so do not look like a drama queen by blowing my posts out of proportion. I’ve found a whole new respect for you. Hmm. Still only replying to the manner of my posts, while continuing to ignore the content. Wonder what that signifies? ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/125 "2006-03-14T00:03:11Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > No, I’m not saying that. I’m not even saying it wasn’t deserved; I’m sure it was. I didn’t participate in enough threads with him to say one way or the other. > What I’m saying is that while it wasn’t the deciding factor, it was almost certainly a factor. The entire reason behind his first pitting was the “squick factor,” and plenty of people expressed the opinion that they found the tone of the posts “icky.” If enough people complain and it disrupts the board enough, the mods will take action. Which “first pitting”? Do you mean the extremely brief one posted by **Inkleberry** or the really, really long one I started about twenty minutes later after **Inkleberry** got hers closed? Because I can tell you with a pretty good degree of certainty what I was thinking in posting that thread - and believe me, I have nothing against bondage. I’m not squicked out by the thought of people being tied up in the slightest. I’m not aroused by it in the slightest, not being straight - and when it comes into detailed descriptions of naked women, I don’t find it all that pleasant, but I’m certainly not “quicked” by any of it. **Evil Captor** , **Arnold Winkelreid** , and the folks who banded together to defend **Evil Captor** shouted over and over that I was just some kind of prude for wanting him to knock it off. It didn’t matter whether they had any evidence or not - though of course they _didn’t_ have any evidence of that (as it would be pretty damn tough to call me a prude if you knew me) - **Captor** ‘n’ crew simply told the same lies over and over, and the fact that you believed them is pretty good evidence that it worked. It’s the same sort of thing that you see in politics - Bush and his team did such a good job painting Kerry as “weak on security” and “a flip-flopper” that suddenly it became the public perception - regardless of the truth. That’s a morally indefensible tactic - though obviously a little message board fight is a much smaller issue, it still reflects on **Evil Captor** ‘n’ friends that they felt no particular compunctions about making shit up when it was convenient. And it reflects on this message board as a whole that people believed it just because it was repeated enough. None of the people who said nasty things about me in that thread have apologized so far. I’m beginning to think that holding my breath while I wait might not be a good idea. > [@](#): > > There are plenty of posters who are one trick ponies. One poster starts OP’s with nothing but a link to the Onion and one line. Another participates in very little but Buffy/Angel/Firefly threads. And so on. I find it hard to believe that the content had nothing to do with it, is all. The trouble is when they start deliberately posting deceptive thread titles in order to sneakily convince folks to talk about Buffy when they don’t want to. **Evil Captor** wasn’t even just a one-trick pony - he constantly hijacked threads to bring them back to his preferred topic, and posted threads with rather bland titles about movies when the only topic he planned to discuss was how the movies depicted bondage. It _is_ faintly creepy that **Evil Captor** seems to view movies in terms of nothing but potential masturbation-fodder - but that’s a minor quibble. It’s obvious that (as **lissener** has pointed out) **Evil Captor** wouldn’t have managed to stay around for nearly as long has his one topic been something else - he managed to convince a number of people that he was some sort of martyr for the noble perverts of our fine country, no matter the reality, which is that perverts (and again, I use the term affectionately, as I’m certainly among them) are anything but marginalized here on the SDMB. The irony is that S&M enthusiasts are about the least discriminated against minority group on the board, with the possible exception of us queers - but that didn’t stop **Captor** and his little posse of idiots from pretending like he was some unfortunate victim of the SDMB Puritans’ Society. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/126 "2006-03-14T00:03:43Z")
You can’t write SDMB without B, D, S, and M. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/127 "2006-03-14T00:04:47Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Liss and Q, I was enjoying the petty bickering. 😛 That’s because you’re twisted and evil. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/128 "2006-03-14T00:05:30Z")
Somewhere in between is where I find myself. Yes, I think it was the extreme hijackassery that did him in, but that the hijacking wouldn’t be noticed as much if not for his fave hijack subject. I’m reminded of **Handy**. Lots of posters would chastise him for his contantly spouting off wrong/misleading answers in GQ. But it was the medical posts (still wrong/misleading but a specific subject) that was used as a banning tool. Perhaps you are all arguing from near the same side and just don’t know it yet? ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/129 "2006-03-14T00:11:55Z")
> [@Case Sensitive](#): > > [Is it just me, or does anyone else always read **Evil Captor** as **Eric Clapton**?](http://music.msn.com/album/?album=10008354) Not just you; I just read this thread title as **Eric Clapton’s suspension** (which would be an A chord with a D on the second string). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/130 "2006-03-14T00:12:48Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Hmm. Still only replying to the manner of my posts, while continuing to ignore the content. Wonder what that signifies? Try using content that’s not made of straw. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/131 "2006-03-14T00:13:38Z")
> [@Biffy the Elephant Shrew](#): > > Not just you; I just read this thread title as **Eric Clapton’s suspension** (which would be an A chord with a D on the second string). Me, I always think of \*\*Evil Captor \*\*as _Eric Cartman_. Appropriate on OH so many levels. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/132 "2006-03-14T00:14:16Z")
[If anyone thinks he didn’t get off on talking about it where it wasn’t expected:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=3515091&postcount=26) > [@](#): > > That said, I think the creepiness of telling someone about it “cold” is that there’s a vaguely nonconsensual element to it … you’re inviting them to share in your sex life in a way, as a sort of co-conspirator in their sex fantasies, without first having gotten some indication from them that they’d be interested in doing so. This was a thread about some guy who wanted to tell a coworker he wacks it while thinking about her. **Evil Captor** said his fantasy in that case would be some big bondage thing. He likes making people uncomfortable. Whether he gets a sexual charge out of it, or just a big laugh, it’s inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/133 "2006-03-14T00:14:36Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > The irony is that S&M enthusiasts are about the least discriminated against minority group on the board, with the possible exception of us queers … Perhaps you could tell me in what way you are discriminated against on the board because you are gay. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/134 "2006-03-14T00:14:52Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Try using content that’s not made of straw. 😉 This had gotten just way too meta. Would you please explain what this means? Specifically? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/135 "2006-03-14T00:15:45Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Perhaps you could tell me in what way you are discriminated against on the board because you are gay. **Frank** I read that as **Ex’s** saying that gays are one of the **least** discriminated against (ie hasseled) ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/136 "2006-03-14T00:16:18Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Perhaps you could tell me in what way you are discriminated against on the board because you are gay. We’re mostly discriminated against by people who should read twice before replying. ---
**Author:** ![Interrobang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/interrobang/32/17463_2.png) [@Interrobang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interrobang)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/137 "2006-03-14T00:17:41Z")
> [@Ensign Edison](#): > > But it’s the way he attempts to defend himself, which calls into question the motives of those who criticize him, leaves him open to that fairly, I think. Just to clarify, I’m not in any way saying his suspension is undeserved. It’s deserved. > [@Ensign Edison](#): > > I hope EC will join us again, and then stick to the forums at literotica and other appropriate sites to talk about bondage all day long, if he wants. One annoying thing about EC’s one-trick-ponyism is that I’d be interested in a few threads about BDSM, bondage imagery in modern media, and similar topics. (I’m not into it myself, but I’m often interested in intelligent discussion of sexual interests.) But EC’s own behavior made it impossible for him to have those discussions – people got so tired of seeing his posts in inappropriate places that it became impossible for him to have any credibility when he’d try to appropriately discuss his interests. I do think the subject matter was a motivating factor for some people’s interest in “quieting” **Evil Captor** , but his own behavior was the justifiable reason for the suspension. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/138 "2006-03-14T00:17:54Z")
> [@wring](#): > > **Frank** I read that as **Ex’s** saying that gays are one of the **least** discriminated against (ie hasseled) Ah, you’re right. Sorry, **Excalibre** , I misread. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/139 "2006-03-14T00:18:25Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > This had gotten just way too meta. Would you please explain what this means? Specifically? Certainly. From where I sit, your argument with **Maureen** has become one big strawman. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/140 "2006-03-14T00:19:55Z")
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