# Evil Captor's suspension **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 13, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172 "2006-03-13T15:49:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/161 "2006-03-14T01:07:48Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Maybe I missed it skimming through four pages, but has anybody given a serious response as to why they didn’t just put **EC** on their ignore list if they’re so unhappy with his posts, for whatever reason? Are folks simply unaware of the feature? He offended a lot of people very often. He was complained about constantly. Posters wanted him to go away. Many posters don’t like the ignore feature as it could cause weird disruptions in threads. BTW: I wasn’t really annoyed by him much and I will not use the ignore feature, I find it more annoying then a stupid poster. Jim ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/162 "2006-03-14T01:08:21Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Yoohooo! **Lissener** –lighten up and get a sense of humor while you’re at it. Yeah. Um. You should probably hold on to about a cup and a half of that lighten up for personal use. I was only trying to make the point that, clever funnin aside (yeah, I got that you were being “funny”), EC’s friction on this board has not, in fact, been due to a perception of bondage as “icky,” and continually pounding that meme probably just adds to his sense of martyrdom. I quoted you as an example of the broader issue; I wasn’t going after you. In any case, I’ma bow out here. Despite the fact that my position seems to be the general consensus, when posters like Rigby get all frothy mouthed and wish for my banning for expressing what most of you seem to agree with, there’s a bizarro-world aspect I’m not gonna try to figure out. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/163 "2006-03-14T01:09:40Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Maybe I missed it skimming through four pages, but has anybody given a serious response as to why they didn’t just put **EC** on their ignore list if they’re so unhappy with his posts, for whatever reason? Are folks simply unaware of the feature? Dude, if we use the Ignore option, can you imagine how boring the Pit would become? Think, man! Think! ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/164 "2006-03-14T01:11:32Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Maybe I missed it skimming through four pages, but has anybody given a serious response as to why they didn’t just put **EC** on their ignore list if they’re so unhappy with his posts, for whatever reason? Are folks simply unaware of the feature? Because it’s hard to read threads when you’ve got your ignore list on. They make less sense, which means you end up having to view the ignored posts anyway. Besides, he was suspended for the same reason all suspendees are suspended: he was annoying and he interfered with reasonable conversation. Why should we suspend or ban anyone, when we have ignore lists, hmm? What makes **Evil Captor** ’s content any different than any other obnoxious jackass’s? Besides, when people _do_ successfully hijack threads, it’s not like using the ignore list will fix it. It’s not like the ignore list fixes the fact that he was screwing up legitimate discussions with his constant hijackery. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/165 "2006-03-14T01:13:20Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Yeah. Um. You should probably hold on to about a cup and a half of that lighten up for personal use. I was only trying to make the point that, clever funnin aside (yeah, I got that you were being “funny”), EC’s friction on this board has not, in fact, been due to a perception of bondage as “icky,” and continually pounding that meme probably just adds to his sense of martyrdom. I quoted you as an example of the broader issue; I wasn’t going after you. > > In any case, I’ma bow out here. Despite the fact that my position seems to be the general consensus, when posters like Rigby get all frothy mouthed and wish for my banning for expressing what most of you seem to agree with, there’s a bizarro-world aspect I’m not gonna try to figure out. It truly is a strange situation I’m in. I get to sit here and follow a mini-fight between two people I know don’t like me. I want one to lose, but don’t want either to win. Man this is confusing. I kinda like both of you, but out of spite hope you both lose. I must reflect upon this. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/166 "2006-03-14T01:14:25Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > He offended a lot of people very often. He was complained about constantly. Posters wanted him to go away. All of which would be as much solved by them ignoring him as getting him banned. > [@What Exit?](#): > > Many posters don’t like the ignore feature as it could cause weird disruptions in threads. I didn’t know it caused disruptions in threads, like how exactly? I haven’t tried it myself yet. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/167 "2006-03-14T01:18:17Z")
Say you put someone on your ignore list. You won’t see that person’s posts at all. If you and that person are responding to the same thread, (or even if you’re just reading a thread that person posts to) and several people are replying to that person all you see is the replies. It’s a conversation completely out of context and it makes it very difficult to follow the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/168 "2006-03-14T01:18:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > In their dreams. > > I was not even aware that the snarkers had started their 18,000,000th snipe fest about **E C** until his name came up in staff discussion based on reported posts–and the Mods who introduced the topic to the staff are not the Mods who do vist the snarkers. (The snarkers have gotten so boring I rarely visit more than once a week.) Glad to hear it. **E C** goes on a bit too much about bondage, but being a bit one-trick didn’t seem like any reason to repremand let alone susspend someone. Many other dopers put their spin on threads ( **Joanna** comes to mind) even when not particularly related to their ‘speciality’. It seems to me that very few people are actually annoyed by what **E C** was doing, but that they kept feeding the flames here and in that other place. It seems that if someone is susspended for going on and on about bondage, then others might be susspended for going on and on about mensa or poker which would be unreasonable. Or else **E C** ’s take on bondage is somehow icky and unholsome and thus a special case where going on and on is a reason for susspension, which strikes me as unreasonable in that it is judging someone by their consentual sexuality. I’d see no problem banning someone for espousing illegal non-consensual sexual behaviour. But this anti bondage screed seems little different from the idea that “homosexuals are fine just so long as they keep what they are doing secret so we don’t get upset” given by homophobes and homophobe-appologists. **E C** is a flaming bondage freak, but is there anything wrong with that? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/169 "2006-03-14T01:21:27Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > All of which would be as much solved by them ignoring him as getting him banned. > I didn’t know it caused disruptions in threads, like how exactly? I haven’t tried it myself yet. Lissener I apologize for using you as an example. Re-read this thread without reading lissener’s post who was arguing with 4 different posters at different points. Wouldn’t the thread read oddly without seeing his posts and yet seeing Q.E.D., Exy’s, Maureen’s and Lute’s Jim ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/170 "2006-03-14T01:21:27Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > And I agree with you about maraschino cherries. Anything soaked in formaldehyde will not be ingested into THIS body, thankyewveryfuckinmuch. Oh, great, now we’ve got a Google ad for maraschino cherries from [www.pickledprincess.com](http://www.pickledprincess.com). **Revtim** , you should try the ignore function before recommending it. I did – put someone innocuous but fairly verbose on it, just to see how it would work. It was annoying as hell. The post is still there, just with the content replaced by a message telling you if you really, really want to see it after all, click such-and-so. Reading past it, any further posts referring to it would evoke more or less of a 😕 and if someone quoted it the text would be shown despite the ignore-listing. On preview: **Maureen** is correct. Bottom line, it’s more trouble than it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/171 "2006-03-14T01:22:51Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > **E C** is a flaming bondage freak, but is there anything wrong with that? What the fuck? We have a pretty good debate going about the merits of the ignore list, and you have to hijack the whole Goddamned thread by bringing up bondage? Fuck! ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/172 "2006-03-14T01:23:28Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > **E C** is a flaming bondage freak, but is there anything wrong with that? No, and he was not suspended for being a bondage freak. Right there you’ve created a strawman; I’m not sure if you’re being disingenuous or simply don’t understand the discussion. Nevertheless, the last four pages have done an excellent job of explaining exactly why **Evil Captor** ’s behavior was problematic. Since you don’t seem to have understood any of it, it hardly seems like it would be worth rehashing the exact same discussion once again. If you can come up with some rational argument against what has been said about **Evil Captor** , go for it. Simply ignoring four pages of discussion won’t cut it, I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/173 "2006-03-14T01:24:39Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > What the fuck? We have a pretty good debate going about the merits of the ignore list, and you have to hijack the whole Goddamned thread by bringing up bondage? Fuck! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/174 "2006-03-14T01:27:23Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > No, and he was not suspended for being a bondage freak. Right there you’ve created a strawman; I’m not sure if you’re being disingenuous or simply don’t understand the discussion. Considering you’re willing to come out swinging and declare people to be gay haters lessens your credibility a bit. At least for me. Though I’ve been branded in your mind as such, you were so far off base your posts hold as much water, IMO, as sieve. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/175 "2006-03-14T01:31:55Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Considering you’re willing to come out swinging and declare people to be gay haters lessens your credibility a bit. At least for me. Though I’ve been branded in your mind as such, you were so far off base your posts hold as much water, IMO, as sieve. Woah, woah, woah, man, if you’re going to dredge shit up, you have to at least provide us with a link. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/176 "2006-03-14T01:32:39Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > None of the people who said nasty things about me in that thread have apologized so far. Sigh. I was one of the ones who insulted you. Can’t remember if it was in that thread or another, but it unnecessary and unlike me. In my meager defense, I was still seething from some comments you made to a completely different poster in a different thread/topic, which I thought were completely unjustified. Still, I shouldn’t have let my feelings about that carry over. I’m sorry, **Excalibre**. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/177 "2006-03-14T01:34:34Z")
> [@Hilarity N. Suze](#): > > (bolding mine) It sounds perfectly expected in that kind of thread. Oh, no, there it WAS appropriate. However, he also admitted that there’s an element of the unconsensual when you drop something like that “cold.” That’s all. It was very revealing. If he stuck to threads like that, and talked about his sexual kinks, I wouldn’t have a problem. But he didn’t and when you said, “Whoa, dude, TMI!” he come back all idignant about how you were an unenlightened frigid prude. He reminds me of **december**. Contrary to what some people said, **december** wasn’t banned because of his political beliefs. It was because he trolled constantly and when you disagreed with him, he accused you of supporting terrorism, or anti-semitism, or whatever. So none of this shit that **Evil Captor** was suspended (and NOT banned!) because he was into bondage. He was suspended because he liked to sneak the topic into unrelated discussions, started threads that looked like they were about something else, but so he could sneak it in again, and was extremely dishonest when called on it. “Not I! I don’t know WHAT you’re talking about! You’re just some kind of prude!” You got the feeling he was getting off, not on bondage topics, but on the fact that he was sneaking it in, making people uncomfortable, and laughing about it. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/178 "2006-03-14T01:36:40Z")
> [@Ensign Edison](#): > > Woah, woah, woah, man, if you’re going to dredge shit up, you have to at least provide us with a link. It’s not a great story. **Sampiro** posted a thread about that actress in Brokeback Mountain whose school kicked her out (or something like that) for being in a gay movie. **duffer** immediately jumped into the thread to defend the school, by pointing out that the school had the legal right to do so. No one had suggested they didn’t - the only things posted in the thread were a bunch of folks bitching about the school having done that. No one had even remotely suggested that the school didn’t have any right to do what they did. I questioned **duffer** about his kneejerk leap to the school’s defense, since he claims not to be a homophobe. He left the thread with a snarky comment about how he didn’t realize it was only for bitching about the school - but there was no explanation for why he had been so quick to defend the school. He still hasn’t come up with any explanation for why he felt the school needed defending. I don’t necessarily think he’s a homophobe - but I just can’t come up with any other interpretation for his ridiculous behavior, and he couldn’t come up with one either. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/179 "2006-03-14T01:36:50Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Hm. Well, I could name two who were eventually banned for such behavior Intersting, I was unaware of that. > [@lissener](#): > > Is that really a foreign concept? … This is really that difficult to grasp? Evidently of comparable difficulty to cleaving to polite discussion on this tangent. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172/180 "2006-03-14T01:40:49Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > **Revtim** , you should try the ignore function before recommending it. I was wondering why folks didn’t use it, I wasn’t recommending it. Thanks all for the input. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-captors-suspension/348172.md?page=10)