# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2001 "2010-10-21T19:53:27Z")
Interesting. For what it’s worth, I think \*\*Drain \*\*should cast her spell. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2002 "2010-10-21T19:58:57Z")
Hey, I’ve learned some stuff, too. I’ll post my role PM and my back and forth PM’s in a minute. 1. I’m the census taker. I could, at any point, PM the moderator and learn either: - How many scum remained. - How many malicious (exclusive win condition) third-party players are currently alive. 1. I have used my one-shot power and am now vanilla. I investigated how many 3rd-party malicoius players remain. 2. \*\*There are two malicious third-party players in this game. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2003 "2010-10-21T20:06:18Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’ve been debating as to whether or not to do this, seeing as I generally hate unprovoked claims, but I figure this may explain A WHOLE FUCKING LOT, so here we go. > > I’ll put everything behind spoilers, because it gets long. I’m also not putting the original formatting back in, because I’m lazy. > > [spoiler]Welcome to the game; you are the Librarian > > ALIGNMENT: Town > GENERIC: Vanilla > WIN CONDITION: All Scum and malicious third-parties (if any) have been vanquished. > > BACKGROUND: > > You’ve been here before. Blood soaks the stones of the streets, the dead rise from their graves, and only one can stand against the vampires - er, demons. And amidst the chaos, a lone librarian, using only his crack research skills and disarming British accent, serves as mentor, advisor, and sage. > > You’ve battled your demons (tall and scaly, not alcoholic), saved the world a few times, and now you are taking a well earned vacation. You are not getting involved in yet another apocalypse. Absolutely, no way, not this time. No more impossible choices, witches, werewolves, or skinny blondes dying and coming back from the dead over and over and over. You are strictly providing a little bit of brain power, nothing else. > > Of course, you do know of one spell. You haven’t done the reading well enough to know exactly what it does, though, and frankly, you have no business interfering in that way. Those days are over. > > POWERS: > > 1. At the moment, you have no special powers, abilities, or information. However, your sharp analytical skills are likely to come in very handy. Each Night, you will identify (via PM to the moderator) one player that you believe to be non-Town. You may choose the same player on more than one Night. Please note that this ability is not an active power and can not be blocked or in any other way affected by the power(s) of other players. > > If, your designated suspect is lynched on the Day following your designation of him/her as your primary suspect, with your vote among the lynching votes, and if (s)he is non-Town, you will gain sufficient confidence in your own competence to attempt the single spell to which you have access.[/spoiler] > > So the first Night I picked **Chip** , who promptly turned up dead. Last Night I picked **Telcontar** , figuring it looked like **Idle** ’s case against him might pick up steam. My Schroedinger’s Power Role kicked in at that point, as I knew I was voting for a Deadite, and was just hoping the Day would end without some Town-aligned Daykill Vig ruining it for me, but being unable to say anything out of the fear that there was a Scum-Aligned Daykiller who could screw it all up. So hey, now I have a spell. Awesome, amirite? > > Here’s what Story sent me just now: > > [spoiler] You have succeeded in identifying a Demon, and casting a vote in support of the death of same. You may attempt to cast your spell, if you wish. > > Unfortunately, you don’t know what it will do. You know only that it is certain to be pro-Town, and that it will not result in your death or in the death of any pro-Town player. > > Please let me know if you wish to cast your spell toNight. If you choose not to do so, you may cast it on any future Night.[/spoiler] > > Nothing is EVER EASY, is it? Drain, I don’t get it. What exactly did you think needed explaining? I didn’t see anything that needed explaining, not to mention “A WHOLE FUCKING LOT”. I think it was a mistake claiming like this, and I don’t see a townie motivation for it. And while nothing is ever easy, using your spell, if indeed your claim is true, seems like a total no-brainer, especially now that you’ve let scum in on it. Could you explain what you think is not easy? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2004 "2010-10-21T20:08:26Z")
Here is my role PM. I only now just noticed an odd thing about my PM. That asterix next to the “A” is a bullet point in my PM. There is no bullet point mark next to “B”. I hope that doesn’t get my lynched, but that is how my role PM is and I’ve decided to send it as is. Anyway, here it is. [spoiler] 10-04-2010, 12:42 PM storyteller0910 storyteller0910 is offline Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New Jersey (it’s not as bad as they tell you) Posts: 2,955 Evil Dead Mafia: Role PM Welcome to the game; you are the The Census Taker ALIGNMENT: Town GENERIC: Special WIN CONDITION: All Scum and malicious third-parties (if any) have been vanquished. BACKGROUND: To an outside observer, you appear cold, indifferent, efficient. But appearances can be deceiving. In your case, you know without question that beneath your callous, bureaucratic exterior beats the heart of a callous bureaucrat. You’re a government official; you leave the layers to the onions and the ogres. Your job is categorizing and counting things - specifically people. Your unrelenting and somewhat anal retentive dedication to completing your work as thoroughly as possible has brought you here, to an unsanitary cabin in the woods, where you would seem to be ill-equipped to do battle with the armies of evil. But, having started your career with the IRS, you know from armies of evil; you might be able to make yourself useful at that. You are equipped with a brand new ball point pen and a sheaf of surveys, enough for each person in attendance. These surveys allow for total anonymity, and you represent the Census - the answers you receive are certain to be honest. No one lies to the government, after all. You have equipment enough to conduct exactly one survey, at your discretion. Good luck! POWERS: 1. Once per game, you may receive an accurate, up-to-date, moderator-guaranteed-to-be-truthful answer to either one of the following two questions: You may choose to ask your question as a Day action or as a Night action; in neither case may your action be blocked. You will receive your answer at Dusk (if you ask by Day) or Dawn (if you ask by Night), as long as you are alive to receive it. The answer will reflect the game state at the time the question is answered, not at the time it is asked. [/spoiler] Here my exchange with story. Yesterday, 09:38 AM Mahaloth Mahaloth is online now Charter Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: 地球 Posts: 11,408 Census for Evil Dead I would like to use my power to know: How many malicious (exclusive win condition) third-party players are currently alive? I await my answer at the end of the Day. Can you confirm you received this? Story confirmed he received it. I can show you his confirmation if you really care. I will now post my result PM that I got once Night hit. I have removed the part where it quotes my original PM to him. It looks weird when you post it. [spoiler] Today, 01:29 PM storyteller0910 storyteller0910 is offline Member There are two malicious third-party players in this game. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2005 "2010-10-21T20:10:48Z")
I agree with \*\*Hal \*\*here. After the power is used, \*\*Drain \*\*becomes a Vanilla Townie and as such it wouldn’t be so bad if she were Night Killed. This is all assuming she’s telling the truth of course. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2006 "2010-10-21T20:14:00Z")
Now, why I used my power and so forth. 1. The game is confusing enough as is, so I thought I’d provide some clarity about one of the issues I have access to. 2. I thought learning the exact number of threatening 3rd parties would be more useful than how many scum we have. 3. I thought I should share ASAP in case I get Night Killed. Anyway, we know how many 3rd party exclusive win threats there are. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2007 "2010-10-21T20:22:55Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Nothing is EVER EASY, is it? Do you have to pick a target? If not it feels like a possible mass block. I also see no reason not to use it. And the Internets to the rescue! (in case Story did stick close to the color): > **[Spells Used by the Buffy Series](https://www.darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/buffy/spells/byseason.html)** Giles the Librarian uses: -Summon Wish Demon: Summons the wish demon Anyanka. -True Form: This spell causes a demon to revert from any illusion or transformation into its true form. -Soul Reversion: This spell fully reverts a trapped soul to the body of its proper owner. -Truth Spell: This spell forces the target to tell the truth. -Flounder Opponent: Pretty much just knocks someone off their feet and disorients them. -Binding Field: Paralyzes the subject within a nifty ring of shimmering force. -Blocking Spell: Drags some sort of existing obstacle between the user and an approaching attack -Hammer of Govannon: A simple bolt of pure force, in the form of a glowing mass of energy slamming into the target. -Striking Breath: A bolt of force which damages/stuns and confuses the target. That probably doesn’t help much except be amazed at what you can find :). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2008 "2010-10-21T20:22:56Z")
**Drain, cast the spell. You may not survive to do so again! Please do so.** > [@special\_ed](#): > > That’s a post by Normal. At this point, I’d ask you for 2 things because I’m at work and unable to do any extensive searching. > > 1. Can you summarize the points that Normal made with which you agree? > 2. Can you show me where you mentioned Normal’s case while making your own case against Telcontar? I did say NAF both then and today, but meant Normal both times. I got NAF stuck in my head and then never fixed it until I learned it was otherwise just today. Anyway: 1. Telcontar played stiffly. 2. His comments about peek did look very fake/forced. 3. He did seem awfully confident Mcginty is town. I mentioned that I agree with it right away when I posted my initial vote. I just mixed up NAF and Normal. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2009 "2010-10-21T21:05:00Z")
Well, after a pretty relatively mundane Day, we’ve had all kinds of revelations Tonight… I agree that Drain Bead should cast her spell ASAP I also think it was a good choice for Mahaloth to learn the number of 3rd party players; that seems to be a more useful piece of information. considering it’s more difficult to figure out on our own. Assuming that they are both telling the truth, of course. Count me in the group of people who was puzzled as to why Drain chose to reveal herself when she did. It seemed to me like an unnecessary risk at this point. I do understand the reasoning as explained by Hal, but I think he’s making at least one potentially incorrect assumption: > [@Hal Briston](#): > > here’s what we (scum included) know: > > 1. Something pro-town will happen tonight. > 2. Tomorrow, Drain will be an expendable vanilla townie. Point 1 is not guaranteed. According to the PM that Drain posted, we know only that her spell will be Pro-Town. There is nothing guaranteeing that her spell will affect events Tonight, nor that she will receive results Tonight (or indeed whether \*she \*will receive any results at all). I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad assumption, but at the moment it is only an assumption. It’s possible that whatever her spell does, the results will not be apparent for some time to come. The certainty of Point 2 would seem to depend at least in part on the certainty of Point 1. Whether this makes her more or less dangerous to Scum, I don’t know. Perhaps if they can kill her Tonight they will prevent the results of her spell from being known. Perhaps they can’t. They just don’t know. Maybe the nature of her spell is that all Deadites will gradually grow glowing red horns over the next few days 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2010 "2010-10-21T21:05:10Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Drain, I don’t get it. What exactly did you think needed explaining? I didn’t see anything that needed explaining, not to mention “A WHOLE FUCKING LOT”. I think it was a mistake claiming like this, and I don’t see a townie motivation for it. > > And while nothing is ever easy, using your spell, if indeed your claim is true, seems like a total no-brainer, especially now that you’ve let scum in on it. Could you explain what you think is not easy? Let’s see. How about the entire events of Day One, including how I was so certain that **Oy!** could have been Vanilla and uncertain about whether all VTs had the same PM (after all, **I** am listed as Vanilla, and yet I HAS A POWER, WHAT DO I DO WIF IT?), and my behavior yesterDay, in which I wanted the Day to end quickly with a lynch of Telcontar. You may not have seen anything worth explaining, because you weren’t voting for me, but I bet for those who were, this answers a whole crap-ton of questions they had. And Scum, if you want to take a shot at me toNight, go ahead, but remember that I may or may not still have that Flower! And as for why it’s not easy…the decision of whether or not to use it is easy, of course. The fact that I have no idea what it’s going to do makes it more complicated than I was expecting. So I figured I’d throw it all out there and see how people reacted to it. And your reaction is…quite interesting. For everyone else, my claim seems to make sense, but you’re here smudging me by saying it’s not pro-Town. Riddle me this–why would a member of a depleted Scum team or a third-party potentially flying solo and trying to stay under the radar end up putting a giant-ass target right on her back like this? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2011 "2010-10-21T21:41:50Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Point 1 is not guaranteed. According to the PM that Drain posted, we know only that her spell will be Pro-Town. There is nothing guaranteeing that her spell will affect events Tonight… Fair point, but an educated guess says that whatever the spell does, it’ll likely do it in the next Day/Night cycle. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > …Point 1 is not guaranteed. According to the PM that Drain posted, we know only that her spell will be Pro-Town. There is nothing guaranteeing that her spell will affect events Tonight, nor that she will receive results Tonight (or indeed whether \*she \*will receive any results at all). Exactly – we don’t know if **Drain** will get results, or if the results will be public knowledge – and more importantly, scum don’t know either. So, it’s up to them if they want to guess she will know the results exclusively and take a shot at her Tonight. Guess right, and it’s a beneficial scum move. Guess wrong, and they take a shot at vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2012 "2010-10-21T22:01:17Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Riddle me this–why would a member of a depleted Scum team or a third-party potentially flying solo and trying to stay under the radar end up putting a giant-ass target right on her back like this? I am going to ask you a question, and I want you to know that regardless of what has gone on in the game prior to this question I am not asking you this because I am suspicious of you, only because I am trying to sort a few things out and insight into your thought process will help me with that. So don’t get reactionary, this is not an accusation. What do you mean by the above quote? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2013 "2010-10-21T22:08:37Z")
(All snipped extensively.) > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > For everyone else, my claim seems to make sense, but you’re here smudging me by saying it’s not pro-Town.Riddle me this–why would a member of a depleted Scum team or a third-party potentially flying solo and trying to stay under the radar end up putting a giant-ass target right on her back like this? I don’t think your claim made sense to everyone: > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Count me in the group of people who was puzzled as to why Drain chose to reveal herself when she did. It seemed to me like an unnecessary risk at this point. > [@brewha](#): > > What doesn’t make sense is why you’d come forward with it now. You’re in no danger of lynch. And my problem with your claim is exactly that, why would you put a giant-ass target right on your back before you use your spell? Why not wait until moRning to claim? I still don’t see a town motivation for it, and if that’s a “smudge”, I guess I must be guilty. As for your claim itself, I do wonder why your PM says **GENERIC: Vanilla** , while Mahaloth’s who has a similar one-use power says \*\*GENERIC: Special. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2014 "2010-10-21T22:15:48Z")
Taking Drain’s claim at face value, it is possible that she would have never met the prerequisites for her power, which would have made her functionally vanilla. A one-time power that you are free to use at your discretion is not the same thing as a one-time power that can only be earned by satisfying X, Y, and Z first. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2015 "2010-10-21T22:47:41Z")
Hey. ☹ I accidentally posted in the forbidden thread. It was a new page(page 3 I think) and had no spoilery info of any kind. I won’t comment on it, but there was a minor inquiry that looked directed at me and I answered, though it contains no spoilers or anything. I can’t believe I did that, but I figured I should tell you. The titles are different and everything. I just messed up. I’m sorry if I get mod-killed. I’m hoping I can continue, since I meant nothing by it and did not learn anything spoilery. I have PM’ed story to tell him. ☹ Sorry if I got myself mod-killed. It’d be my first time. ☹ :smack: ☹ ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2016 "2010-10-21T22:52:23Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > **Telcontar** , The Demon Mook, who was Scum (Goon), has been lynched. Yay! Interesting claims, two people spontaneously claim results of one-shot powers and are now rendered vanilla. I see **Natlaw** picked up on the Buffy reference in **Drain** ’s PM. Weird. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I only now just noticed an odd thing about my PM. I noticed some others. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Welcome to the game; you are the The Census Taker the The? > [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*But, having started your career with the IRS, you know from armies of evil; you might be able to make yourself useful at that. \*\*You are equipped with a brand new ball point pen and a sheaf of surveys, enough for each person in attendance. These surveys allow for total anonymity, and you represent the Census - the answers you receive are certain to be honest. No one lies to the government, after all. You know what? Useful at what? > [@Mahaloth](#): > > 1. **Once per game** , you may receive an accurate, up-to-date, moderator-guaranteed-to-be-truthful answer to either one of the following two questions: Once per _game_? I can certainly understand why this should be a one, or maybe two-shot power, but why put it this way? How many games will you have this role for? > [@Where are all the non-slutty Halloween Costumes?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/where-are-all-the-non-slutty-halloween-costumes/468231/47): > > Please see the rules for formal definitions of “Town,” “Scum,” and “Third-Party” in this context. I can’t see any formal definitions in the post titled The Rules ([#111](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12980521&postcount=111)). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2017 "2010-10-21T23:11:45Z")
Well, great. If my accidental post in the forbidden thread doesn’t kill me, perhaps my Role PM will. I posted what I was sent, folks. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2018 "2010-10-21T23:13:34Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Interesting claims, two people spontaneously claim results of one-shot powers and are now rendered vanilla. This is inaccurate, both claim one-shot powers but only **Mahaloth** claims results of the one-shot power and to have been rendered vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2019 "2010-10-21T23:42:56Z")
Usage of “at that” can be used like ‘anyway’ or ‘regardless’, but the rest of Guiri’s grammatical dissection of Mahaloth’s claim stands. Sorry to hear about your awol posting, Mahaloth. We’ll see what story decides. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2020 "2010-10-21T23:51:30Z")
And that’s not really an accurate explanation of “at that” but all I can think of are a bunch of examples, like The CEO of the company started his career in the mail room, and is still able sort with the best of them at that. Unexpected but attributable pleasant surprise? It really is a rather complex saying… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=100) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=102)