# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2101 "2010-10-22T15:36:37Z")
**unvote Mahaloth** I was mistaken about the ‘post count problem’. I thought that story’s post count in the PM should have reflected the count as of the time the PM was sent. But if Mahaloth copied and pasted it yesterday afternoon, it would have showed the post count as of that time. So there is no inconsistency in the ‘header information’ in his post. I still have issues with some of the content, but the evidence is no longer incontrovertible, so I am removing my vote for now. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2102 "2010-10-22T15:36:38Z")
NETA: @ SP, obviously. Also, spare me the pity for my hard work, please. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2103 "2010-10-22T15:41:33Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > It reads more like putting your thoughts out there in hopes you get get a few hapless townies to glom on while keeping your own hands clean(er). Like you’re blowing in the wind – there’s no real conviction or point of view behind your words, only the semblance of such. > > And even this post, with “why haven’t you cast a vote against me”? Have you missed that it’s night? (Yes I know we can cast votes now, but why bother?) Have you missed that at the time I began my case against you, we already had a scum on the hook? Why even make such a comment? Why bother casting votes at night? Why not? Is your vote going to somehow be more meaningful after Dawn? ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2104 "2010-10-22T15:50:30Z")
Thank you, **Stanislaus**. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2105 "2010-10-22T15:55:04Z")
**Vote Suburban Plankton** Because he likes them. Now I’ll go worry if he has a power fueled by the votes on him ;). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2106 "2010-10-22T15:58:54Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Why bother casting votes at night? Why not? Is your vote going to somehow be more meaningful after Dawn? Yep. In the morning it counts normal against you. If I do it now, by the magic of _mumblebrummumble_ it actually counts as triple against Drain Bead. She wouldn’t like that much. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2107 "2010-10-22T15:59:41Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Yep. In the morning it counts normal against you. If I do it now, by the magic of _mumblebrummumble_ it actually counts as triple against Drain Bead. She wouldn’t like that much. OK, this made me laugh. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2108 "2010-10-22T16:07:18Z")
You’re welcome. _bows_ ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2109 "2010-10-22T16:07:20Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The Post Count that Maha gave us for storyteller still doesn’t add up. I just looked now (post count doesn’t show in the thread, but is listed under a user’s profile) and story’s post count is 2958. Maha’s PM shows story’s post count at 2955 back on October 4. He has most definitely made more than 3 posts since then (though it seems quite plausible that 2955 was story’s post count at the time Maha made his post). Even if the member/guest problem can be explained by assuming story’s membership lapsed within the last couple days, I see no way the post count in the PM can be genuine. > > There’s also the issue of the line in Maha’s PM: “Please see the rules for formal definitions of “Town,” “Scum,” and “Third-Party” in this context.” Guiri pointed out that he couldn’t find any “formal definitions” anywhere in the rules for this game. I don’t see anything either. > > As to the question of why Mahaloth would include the ‘header’ information in his post, when it’s really irrelevant to his case, I wondered about that as well. But when people are lying, they have a tendency to want to give out ‘extra information’, because they are aware of all the holes in their story and are already anticipating the questions they are going to get concerning them. The tendency is to try to answer those questions before they are asked. But since the answers have to be manufactured, the chances of providing information that is inconsistent with reality are greatly increased. I think that’s what happened here. Maha wanted to provide extra ‘proof’ that his PM was genuine. But in his effort to do so, he did just the opposite. > > It appears quite clear that Mahaloth’s PM was borrowed from some source outside this game and then modified. I can see no reason for Town to do that. Part of me says “wait until dawn to cast a vote”, to see if anything new is revealed that might change the situation. But the case here seems very clear cut, and I can always change my vote if new evidence ‘proves’ Mahaloth’s Townness. > **vote Mahaloth** Bleached Seriously? This is what is causing a vote to be cast? This is such bad reasoning that I am not actually going to spend the few paragraphs I normally would spend explaining why it is a bad vote. :rolleyes: Ok, maybe a little: The post count would show as what story’s count was _at the time Maha copied it_. All the other technical stuff about the PM and it’s construction is crazy too. Why wouldn’t a scum Maha just have copied his actual role PM and changed the text so he didn’t get stuff wrong? Are you positive you are right about how the PM will copy? This line of discussion is bad. STOP ASSUMING OTHER PLAYERS ARE DUMBER THAN YOU! (The above was not directed specifically at Sub Plankton, but he is the person I have decided to quote. All the Parsing of the PMs discussion going on so far has been equally nutty.) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2110 "2010-10-22T16:09:02Z")
Well, it seems that in the time it took me to write that post while working things have developed. Also, I forgot to actually bleach the vote. No matter. It was still dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2111 "2010-10-22T16:19:24Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Bleached > > Seriously? > > This is what is causing a vote to be cast? > > This is such bad reasoning that I am not actually going to spend the few paragraphs I normally would spend explaining why it is a bad vote. :rolleyes: > Ok, maybe a little: > > The post count would show as what story’s count was _at the time Maha copied it_. > > All the other technical stuff about the PM and it’s construction is crazy too. Why wouldn’t a scum Maha just have copied his actual role PM and changed the text so he didn’t get stuff wrong? Are you positive you are right about how the PM will copy? This line of discussion is bad. > > STOP ASSUMING OTHER PLAYERS ARE DUMBER THAN YOU! > > (The above was not directed specifically at Sub Plankton, but he is the person I have decided to quote. All the Parsing of the PMs discussion going on so far has been equally nutty.) Even though it wasn’t directed specifically at me, I’ll reply anyway. First off, you are 100% correct about the post count. I figured that out myself a while ago and unvoted because of it. As far as the “technical stuff about the PM and it’s construction”: I’m not sure if you’re referring to the ‘header’ information, or the body of the PM. If the former, then your point is taken. But if it’s the latter, then I think it’s a valid criticism. If a Scum Maha had just “copied his actual role PM and changed the text so he didn’t get stuff wrong”, he might very well have screwed up in doing so. And that seems to be exactly what a number of people, myself included, are still suspicious of. And as for assuming other players are dumber than me…I never do that. But I do assume that other players will do brain-dead stupid things from time to time, just like I do. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2112 "2010-10-22T16:23:37Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Also, I am apparently no longer a member at the Straight Dope. This is a new development as far as I am concerned. Well, that almost reads as mod confirmation that the member/guest thing is meaningless ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2113 "2010-10-22T16:24:10Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’m not sure if you’re referring to the ‘header’ information, or the body of the PM. If the former, then your point is taken. But if it’s the latter, then I think it’s a valid criticism. If a Scum Maha had just “copied his actual role PM and changed the text so he didn’t get stuff wrong”, he might very well have screwed up in doing so. And that seems to be exactly what a number of people, myself included, are still suspicious of. I was mostly talking about the header construction. I disagree with the conclusions of the syntax analysis going on, but I suppose it’s sort of valid. If Story is going to let us quote him then we might as well look at it. Also, I clicked to respond to that post at 8 am my time and it took me about an hour to actually finish writing it so, sorry for nailing you for something you already took back. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2114 "2010-10-22T16:25:55Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > There’s also the issue of the line in Maha’s PM: “Please see the rules for formal definitions of “Town,” “Scum,” and “Third-Party” in this context.” Guiri pointed out that he couldn’t find any “formal definitions” anywhere in the rules for this game. I don’t see anything either. This, as well as the odd typos “the The” are still valid metagamey things. Story is usually very careful with his wording. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2115 "2010-10-22T16:38:53Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The Post Count that Maha gave us for storyteller still doesn’t add up. I just looked now (post count doesn’t show in the thread, but is listed under a user’s profile) and story’s post count is 2958. Maha’s PM shows story’s post count at 2955 back on October 4. He has most definitely made more than 3 posts since then (though it seems quite plausible that 2955 was story’s post count at the time Maha made his post). Even if the member/guest problem can be explained by assuming story’s membership lapsed within the last couple days, I see no way the post count in the PM can be genuine. You’re missing the point. The post count comes from the time of the copy/paste, not the time of the message (posting out of order again _sigh_ but at least it will still make sense ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2116 "2010-10-22T16:39:55Z")
NETA, and of course, this is why I should catch up before posting anything _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2117 "2010-10-22T18:10:03Z")
Yes, you totally should. Naf too. Preview shows you if posts were made between when you start and when you finish people! And you should be previewing anyways, to avoid those stupid quote/bold/etc tag errors. Unlike some others, I think I agree with Naf in disagreeing with the issues with Maha’s PM. That’s not to say I buy his claim, since I think the Ed case is actually pretty good. It’s more I see the PM issues as null. It could be part of his pm, it could be a mistake Maha or someone else added in editing, it’s null really. But the behavior thing is different. It’s one of the things that, while sort of meta, people should be on the look out for. Very few people, if any, can play exactly the same as Town and Scum, and everyone has their quirks and patterns they fall into. Maha basically repeating an action from a game when he was Scum is to my eyes pretty indicative of him being Scum again. That’s a pretty exhaustive case NP. I’ll have to spend some time digesting it. The basic lack of defense by SP doesn’t help matters any. I’ll be gone most of this weekend. The wife is dragging me off to visit her sister and the niece and nephew. I’ll check back in later today before we leave. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2118 "2010-10-22T18:31:40Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Yes, you totally should. Naf too. Preview shows you if posts were made between when you start and when you finish people! And you should be previewing anyways, to avoid those stupid quote/bold/etc tag errors. Yeah yeah, I know. ☹ Anyway, in case I wake up dead in the morning, I would like to make the case for any masons we have in the game claiming before the Day is over tomorrow. It would probably be a good idea for a cop to claim too if they have 2 or more quality investigations (cleared living players who are not already confirmed/mostly confirmed). I am assuming that there are approximately 5 anti town players still in the game, and that at the rate we are dying there will be something like 17 or 18 players left alive toMorrow. If we can get the number of confirmed/mostly confirmed players up \*\*over 6 **before the Day ends toMorrow it will make it very very hard for a third party to win. I don’t think it will be impossible for non town to win, but it will be hard. \*\* I would still really really like an official player list** so I could be more certain but I think the momentum is on town’s side and the time to strike is now, assuming that there are enough masons and investigations to make it worth while. So, if there are more than 3 masons, absolutely claim, if there are only 2 masons absolutely claim (always claim when there are only 2 masons) if there are only three…it’s more of a judgment call. Of course there might not be masons which would make this all moot. Also, DrainBead, if you could attempt to answer my question before the Night is over I would really appreciate it. In case you missed it: > [@me talking to DrainBead](#): > > @db First thanks for responding. Unfortunately that doesn’t really get at what I was wondering about so I will try to be more specific without tipping my hand. Why do you think you have put a target on your back? I am sure this seems weird but if you could just explain what you were thinking when you wrote that it would help me s lot. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2119 "2010-10-22T18:41:47Z")
NAF, this is **story** ’s post #1965. End of Day was #1988. There were no deaths prior to end of Day when **Telcontar** was lynched. Since then, **Tom Scud** has substituted for **Guiri**. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > VOTE COUNT > > **Telcontar** - 19 votes (12 Final) - Normal Phase (1432), Hal Briston (1745), Oy! (1747), Suburban Plankton (1748), NAF1138 (1749), lilflower (1752), GuiriEnEspana (1753), Nanook of the North Shore (1756), Drain Bead (1758), Cometothe…Cookies (1759), USCDiver (1780), One and Only Wanderers (1783), Mahaloth (1797), Texcat (1798), brewha (1824), Stanislaus (1909). Natlaw (1926), Total Lost (1935), Mrs. McGinty (1938) > > **Mahaloth** – 1 vote – special ed (1955) > > (Green text = final vote) > > * * * > > PLAYER LIST > > ALIVE > > 1. Mahaloth > 2. Oy! > 3. Normal Phase > 4. Drain Bead > 5. GuiriEnEspana > 6. Total Lost > 7. Telecontar > 8. Mrs. McGinty > 9. special ed > 10. Texcat > 11. Stanislaus > 12. One and Only Wanderers > 13. NAF1138 > 14. brewha > 15. USCDiver > 16. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies > 17. Natlaw > 18. Hal Briston > 19. Nanook of the North Shore > 20. lilflower > 21. Suburban Plankton > > DEAD > MHaye (The Unctuous Plastic Surgeon), Town Vanilla > Oredigger77 (The Pharmaceutical Sales Representative), Town Vanilla > Chipacabra (The Complete A-Hole), Town Martyr > Omi No Kami (The Stubborn Skeptic), Town Vanilla > Idle Thoughts (The Inexperienced Religious Figure), Town Investigator > Rysto (The Grave Robber), Town Special > Romanic (The Hitchhiker), Town Special > > peekercpa (Morphous, Nightmare Prince), Scum Role-Blocker > Astral Rejection (The Trickster), Scum Special > > * * * > > Day to end today at around 1:30PM with the lynch of **Telcontar**. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2120 "2010-10-22T19:03:53Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > NAF, this is **story** ’s post #1965. End of Day was #1988. There were no deaths prior to end of Day when **Telcontar** was lynched. Since then, **Tom Scud** has substituted for **Guiri**. Ah, thanks Oy!. I did go back and look for it, but it wasn’t in any posts that I was expecting. Fair enough. So I think my numbers are right. Assuming at least 2 deaths toNight and between 2 and 4 scum left alive, two PFKs, that gives us 6 anti town players left on the very high side. If there are 2 players cleared by a cop, I am still alive and three masons claim that gives us 6 confirmed town players to match the six anti town ones. That leaves us with an unconfirmed pool of 12 players, six of whom are anti town, one of whom is a claimed cop, one is Oy! (likely town). We also know there is likely a pro town vig, so if the vig targets the other 10 players random chance has him more than likely killing anti town elements. We lynch into the pool with the cop and Oy! and maybe Drain Bead getting lynched last (I will explain why maybe Drain Bead once she answers my question to her) and I think town has this game close to wrapped up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=107)