# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 115
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2281 "2010-10-26T18:31:17Z")
@Suburban. OK, but even given all that, why the “Scum are prepared to mount a defense, and I’m obviously not prepared.” comments at all? From post 2130: > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The thing is, I haven’t really bothered thinking all that much about how I am going to defend myself, because I haven’t done anything wrong. When you’re playing Scum, you know you have to lie, almost constantly. So you need to prepare a defense before you even post anything. You already know all of the holes in every argument, so you try to prepare all of the answers to all of the questions in advance. You need to review every word to make sure you aren’t claiming to know something you don’t know; you need to make sure that all of your argumenst have a solid basis; you need to make sure you don’t say anything that contradicts anything you’ve said before. > > As Town, you don’t do these things. You know you’re telling the truth, so you assume that others will know it as well. You don’t worry so much about the exact words that you use, because you don’t have a script that you need to stick to. You are free to say what you want to say, because you aren’t trying to hide anything. > > Now obviously, I don’t expect that everyone is going to believe everything I say “just because I’m town”. I know it doesn’t work that way; I still need to support my conclusions with some kind of reasonable analysis. My point is that Town often have trouble giving iron-clad reasons for their arguments, because they don’t need to craft the arguments ahead of time to fit the conclusions that they are required to make up. Why the hell even say this? Seriously, what the the intent of saying this? It’s obvious that the intent is to say: “I’m not Scum, see, a Scum would have done XXXXX, and I haven’t done XXXXX yet, because I’m not Scum.” It looks really really transparently scummy. The question is, would a Town player even think like this? Your contention is that Scum have to think their cases through because they might need to defend them. I think the opposite contention is that Town needs to think their case through because they actally have to create them. They need solid evidence and reserach. They need to have the ideas in the first place. Scum don’t need that. They know they’re wrong and can jsut create a case and then maybe try to defend it if they take heat. Exactly what you did, and exactly how we’ve caught many Scum in the past. well, aside from the crazy, ‘Look at me, I’m completely unprepared, so I must not be Scum’ part **Unvote: Mahaloth** (Though he’s still suspicious, and I’d still like to hear what Tom Scud has to say) **Vote: Suburban** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2282 "2010-10-26T19:16:55Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > @Suburban. > > OK, but even given all that, why the “Scum are prepared to mount a defense, and I’m obviously not prepared.” comments at all? > > \ > > Why the hell even say this? ed, that’s a damn good question. I’ve bene asking myself that all morning. I was irritated at the suggestion that I had neglected to provide a defense to the accusations against me. So I once again provided the defense that I had been told I hadn’t provided previously. And then added those last couple paragraphs in an attempt to explain why it might have appeared that I hadn’t provided a proper defense, when in fact I felt I had. Obviously, I did a very poor job of trying to get my point across. And I shouldn’t have said anything in the first place, because I should know better than to post anything out of frustration. Frustration leads to mistakes, and mistakes lead to lynches. I can’t say more than this, because there’s nothing more to say. I made a mistake, and I’m now dealing with the consequences. It seems like this is as good a time as any to make a Role Claim, because I’m certain that it will make no difference whatsoever to anyone right now, and will head off any distractions that might surround the subject in the future. I am Vanilla Town. I know nothing, I see nothing, I did not even get out of bed this morning… If I’m lynched today, the Town is going to gain nothing from the endeavor. On the other henad, they aren’t going to lose anything, either. The only impact my death will have is that the Unconfirmed Pool will become one person smaller. Since it’s obvious at the moment that nobody has any real clue who the Bad Guys are, I guess it’s better that I die Today than someone who is non-Vanilla. I’m certain that some of the people voting for me are Town, who firmly believe I’m Scum, and some of you are Scum, who are quietly chuckling to themselves. Hopefully between now and Dusk I can help the town figure out who is who, and maybe rest of the Town can find something in the arguments against me that will help Tomorrow. And before anyone asks, I’m not ‘giving up’, and I’m not saying “Go ahead, lynch me now”. But it’s pretty obvious that the Town as a whole feels the case against me is the best one going, and barring some unforeseen revelation, I don’t see things changing any time soon. My PM: > [@](#): > > Mafia Evil Dead: Role PM > Welcome to the game; you are the The Crooked Local Politician > > ALIGNMENT: Town > GENERIC: Vanilla > WIN CONDITION: All Scum and malicious third-parties (if any) have been vanquished. > > BACKGROUND: > > You are that staple of all horror movies, the corrupt, grasping, narcissistic, borderline sociopathic local selectman, who hopes to use the inevitable deaths of dozens of attractive young people as a springboard to greater heights of popularity and influence. In a better era, you’d have been played by veteran character actor J.T. Walsh, and you’d have been a rocking third-party role with any number of clever and interesting ways of affecting game events. > > Unfortunately, the estimable Mr. Walsh is no longer with us, and this movie would have been way beneath him anyway. Your role has been dramatically abbreviated, such that instead of corrupt and dangerous you are now merely crooked and harmless. Your destiny is most likely a bloody-but-comic death scene sometime late in the film’s first act, where some Demon gives you bloody comeuppance for your petty crimes in life. > > Good luck! > > POWERS: > > 1. You have no special powers, abilities, or information. Alas, J.T. Walsh. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2283 "2010-10-26T19:42:46Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > I went over the entire thread yesterday, not making notes, but just looking for gut feelings about anyone. > > I had been suspicious of **Normal Phase** , because the coincidence of her just happening to be attacked and Chipacabra just happening to protect her seems so great. But I noted that she was one of the first (perhaps the first) to aggressively pursue a case against **Telcontar** , and I can certainly see Scum killing her over that. It does, however, throw a little bit of suspicion on **Mrs McGinty** , for arguing fairly strenuously that this might have been a Scum ruse to convince Town that they were on the wrong track… I’ve been doing a re-rereading of the thread. I find I made an error yesterday. It was not **Mrs McGinty** who was arguing with **Normal Phase**. It was **lilflower**. Beginning with post #1401, she had an extensive disagreement with **Normal Phase** about the idea that **Normal** might have been attacked by Scum in order to throw suspicion on to one of the people **Normal** had shown interest in on Day 1. **Normal** did not find this likely, but **lilflower** continued to argue the point in post #1405 and #1445, where she called for support/reflection from the other players. In the mean time, in post #1406, she had said that [QUOTE=lilflower] I’ve been thinking about this peeker situation. I think that there is a possibility that he was just confused but the fact that he has not come back with any defense other than that he doesn’t have the book (but really - what else could he say?) makes me think he did slip. vote peeker [/QUOTE] At this point **peeker** had a full head of steam on him and looked fairly likely to be lynched. It looks like a very weak, go-along-with-the-crowd kind of vote. I’ve seen **Suburban Plankton** ’s claim. Like so many of the vanilla or near-vanilla claims that have been made, there is nothing about this role that says it couldn’t have been slightly tweaked and adjusted from a Scum role. Like the Grizzled Cop who is too old for this shit, the Crooked Local Politician is an excellent candidate for a Godfather - an authority figure that would normally be taken to be unquestionably pro-Town. So I’m not yet ready to switch off of **Suburban**. But perhaps some of the rest of you could have a look at **lilflower**. She was pretty defensive of **Telcontar** and possibly the other suspect(s) **Normal Phas** e fingered on Day 1. I’ve also noticed that **Mrs McGinty** has been quite consistently very defensive about being called out or voted - witness the days-long discussion with peeker while the rest of us were talking about all kinds of other things. So I think that **Mrs McGinty** is just touchy about being accused, and at this point I don’t suspect him (her?). ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2284 "2010-10-26T19:49:17Z")
@Suburban maybe at this point, you should create a brief timeline. Please point out where you feel you made a defense prior to the comments you made about not being prepared Also, provide a link to posts where you restated your defense after that. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2285 "2010-10-26T19:54:02Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > So I’m not yet ready to switch off of **Suburban**. But perhaps some of the rest of you could have a look at **lilflower**. She was pretty defensive of **Telcontar** and possibly the other suspect(s) **Normal Phas** e fingered on Day 1. > > I’ve also noticed that **Mrs McGinty** has been quite consistently very defensive about being called out or voted - witness the days-long discussion with peeker while the rest of us were talking about all kinds of other things. So I think that **Mrs McGinty** is just touchy about being accused, and at this point I don’t suspect him (her?). Why don’t you do the legwork yourself on the lilflower case? Not that it’s bad to ask someone else to look things up, I’m just curious why now and why that case. Also, the last paragraph about McGinty. Isn’t that al the more reason to suspect him? The consistent defensiveness? Or is it not suspicious because it’s been consistent? :dubious: I mean, if McGinty is Scum, hasn’t he been Scum all game? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2286 "2010-10-26T20:23:32Z")
Has Mrs McGinty ever actually posted the slew of cases that have been brought against her? I still don’t know why she feels so persecuted. Did I miss it? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2287 "2010-10-26T20:32:30Z")
@ed, I couldn’t help but chuckle at your last two posts. You told me “maybe at this point, you should create a brief timeline”, and then turned right around and told Oy “Why don’t you do the legwork yourself”. I understand the difference between the two case, but I had to laugh… ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2288 "2010-10-26T20:52:00Z")
I seem to be spending this game picking apart claims. The last line of Suburb’s PM bothers me: 1. You have no special powers, abilities, or information. Alas, J.T. Walsh. The alas seems addressed to Walsh: Alas, J.T. Walsh, you have no powers. Since the body of the PM states that Walsh is dead, something seems amiss to me. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2289 "2010-10-26T20:53:54Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I seem to be spending this game picking apart claims. > > The last line of Suburb’s PM bothers me: > > 1. You have no special powers, abilities, or information. Alas, J.T. Walsh. > > The alas seems addressed to Walsh: Alas, J.T. Walsh, you have no powers. Since the body of the PM states that Walsh is dead, something seems amiss to me. That doesn’t seem that odd to me; it’s saying “alas, J. T. Walsh is dead. If only he’d been alive you might have had powers.” Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2290 "2010-10-26T21:17:57Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > I’ve been doing a re-rereading of the thread. I find I made an error yesterday. It was not **Mrs McGinty** who was arguing with **Normal Phase**. It was **lilflower**. Beginning with post #1401, she had an extensive disagreement with **Normal Phase** about the idea that **Normal** might have been attacked by Scum in order to throw suspicion on to one of the people **Normal** had shown interest in on Day 1. **Normal** did not find this likely, but **lilflower** continued to argue the point in post #1405 and #1445, where she called for support/reflection from the other players. In the mean time, in post #1406, she had said that So what would you have done, if you read a post where someone said you argued when you didn’t? I know what I would have done. I would have pointed it out. Big time. So to me this seems weird (haven’t re-read it yet, so I’m just saying this based on your quotes and post-numbers). > [@Oy](#): > > I’ve also noticed that **Mrs McGinty** has been quite consistently very defensive about being called out or voted - witness the days-long discussion with peeker while the rest of us were talking about all kinds of other things. So I think that **Mrs McGinty** is just touchy about being accused, and at this point I don’t suspect him (her?). But if she (as she has a Mrs in the name she’ll be a non-penis possessor to me until I’m corrected) is indeed so “very defensive” when called out and voted for. It seems even more strange that she didn’t call you on your mistake regarding her and lilflower. At least that’s what I think ATM. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2291 "2010-10-26T21:18:58Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > @ed, > > I couldn’t help but chuckle at your last two posts. You told me “maybe at this point, you should create a brief timeline”, and then turned right around and told Oy “Why don’t you do the legwork yourself”. > > I understand the difference between the two case, but I had to laugh… Yes, I was encouraging you to actually do your own legwork as well. Instead of saying “I did this, then I did this, then I did that” I wanted you to actualy put your posts in chronological order. So, really, it was the same thing. Plus, I was still at work at the time, it’s much harder to do research on posts there. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2292 "2010-10-26T21:20:21Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > That doesn’t seem that odd to me; it’s saying “alas, J. T. Walsh is dead. If only he’d been alive you might have had powers.” Or something like that. Yeah, but it’s not even a thought, really. Alas, Tom Scud see, it makes no sense? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2293 "2010-10-26T21:25:51Z")
@ TexCat: I did argue with Mrs McGinty for a while there, though – I actually thought that Oy’s post was referring to that when I first read it. In fact I actually “came in here” to thank Oy for bringing up lilflower again, because I’d forgotten that exchange in all the Suburban Plankton stuff that has been going on since. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2294 "2010-10-26T21:26:26Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > @Suburban > > I think what Total Lost is saying is that your defense is circular. > > You are saying: > > 1. Scum have prepared themselves to defend their cases. > 2. I did not prepare to defend my case. > 3. Therefore, I am not Scum. > > Total is making the following case: > > 1. Scum could easily make the same exact defense you are making. > 2. If Scum make exactly the same defense you just made, they are still Scum. > 3. Therefore your defense is completely meaningless. Yes and no. My case was actually also: His post also set him up for making mistakes/slips/contradictions later in the game. And if called for, he could just point back and say “Yeah, but see - if I was scum why would I make that kind of mistake/slip/contradiction? I’ve already said I don’t do that as scum”. So it was just as much the combination of him not saying “I didn’t do that” in regards to the scum-tell while he at the same time implied that “if ever I do that, it’s because I wasn’t paying attention and then I’d not be scum after all”. I have seen the claim. I’m going to think about this. It’s late in Denmark and I want to think about this and read some stuff for earlier before making a decision. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2295 "2010-10-26T21:27:05Z")
NETA: Not TexCat, Total Lost. Did you cast a vote yesterday, Total? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2296 "2010-10-26T21:28:27Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > \ > So I’m not yet ready to switch off of **Suburban**. But perhaps some of the rest of you could have a look at **lilflower**. She was pretty defensive of **Telcontar** and possibly the other suspect(s) **Normal Phas** e fingered on Day 1. > \ When was I “defensive of” (I assume you mean defending) \*\*Telcontar \*\*specifically? I was talking about all the people in **Normal** ’s post (and there were about four people mentioned). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2297 "2010-10-26T21:32:25Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Yeah, but it’s not even a thought, really. Alas, Tom Scud > > see, it makes no sense? It would make some sense if you’d spent a previous half-paragraph talking about how cool I was back when I was alive, but sadly now I’m dead. It’s a stylistic grace note, not something you can boil down to symbolic logic. I’ll eat my hat if that line isn’t written by **storyteller**. (Which doesn’t make the claim legit - by now, with 3 scum down unclaimed, the remaining scum team members are probably swimming in false claims.) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2298 "2010-10-26T21:42:48Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > When was I “defensive of” (I assume you mean defending) \*\*Telcontar \*\*specifically? I was talking about all the people in **Normal** ’s post (and there were about four people mentioned). Your last post prior to this one was four days ago. Then your name comes up, and you’re here within hours to contest the point. I’m not ready to give up my vote on Suburban either, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2299 "2010-10-26T21:43:48Z")
NETA: About an hour and 45 minutes, to be precise. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2300 "2010-10-26T21:44:25Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Your last post prior to this one was four days ago. Then your name comes up, and you’re here within hours to contest the point. > > I’m not ready to give up my vote on Suburban either, but still. Yes, I am here and reading but don’t have much to add in terms of analysis at this point. I am here to respond to anything directed at me, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=114) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=116)