# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 117
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2321 "2010-10-27T02:55:45Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Oh really. Who do you find scummy, Mahaloth? I’m not sure I find anyone particularly scummy right now. I mean, I did find Telcontar scummy, but that has played out. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2322 "2010-10-27T03:13:44Z")
**vote Mahaloth** Not much time right now to post (past my bedtime, been playing Fable 3 all night), but that last post pushed it over the edge for me. I’ve been finding him a bit suspicious, along with a few others, but that whole “I’m not sure I find anyone particularly scummy right now” thing is a) a classic scum tell, and b) ridiculous, given the amount of discussion that’s been going on. Seriously, you can’t come up with a reason to suspect anyone in all this? There are like 4500 posts in this thread. I’m sure someone who is still alive said something suspicious, somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2323 "2010-10-27T03:14:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m not sure I find anyone particularly scummy right now. I mean, I did find Telcontar scummy, but that has played out. I’m having trouble remembering. Can you refresh my memory on what made you suspect Telcontar aside from ‘the way he played in a game’ that you were unable to back up. I think I just have had that so stuck in my mind that I’ve forgotten anything else. (aside from the burning mark on his forehead, that is) ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2324 "2010-10-27T03:17:55Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > **vote Mahaloth** > > Not much time right now to post (past my bedtime, been playing Fable 3 all night), but that last post pushed it over the edge for me. I’ve been finding him a bit suspicious, along with a few others, but that whole “I’m not sure I find anyone particularly scummy right now” thing is a) a classic scum tell, and b) ridiculous, given the amount of discussion that’s been going on. Seriously, you can’t come up with a reason to suspect anyone in all this? There are like 4500 posts in this thread. I’m sure someone who is still alive said something suspicious, somewhere. It might have upped me to 30 cents though 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2325 "2010-10-27T11:33:07Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m having trouble remembering. Can you refresh my memory on what made you suspect Telcontar aside from ‘the way he played in a game’ that you were unable to back up. I think I just have had that so stuck in my mind that I’ve forgotten anything else. Not only did I state it, I restated and summarized it a few pages back. You really are stuck on it. I’ll say it again. The “way he played the game” thing was only part of what made him seem scummy. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2326 "2010-10-27T11:46:03Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@Special Ed](#): > > > > I’m having trouble remembering. Can you refresh my memory on what made you suspect Telcontar aside from ‘the way he played in a game’ that you were unable to back up. I think I just have had that so stuck in my mind that I’ve forgotten anything else. > > Not only did I state it, I restated and summarized it a few pages back. You really are stuck on it. > > I’ll say it again. The “way he played the game” thing was only part of what made him seem scummy. I’ll take that as a “No, I won’t refresh your memory.” ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2327 "2010-10-27T11:58:32Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Drain, cast the spell. You may not survive to do so again! Please do so.** > > I did say NAF both then and today, but meant Normal both times. I got NAF stuck in my head and then never fixed it until I learned it was otherwise just today. > > Anyway: > > 1. Telcontar played stiffly. > > 2. His comments about peek did look very fake/forced. > > More later, I’m going to be late for work > > 1. He did seem awfully confident Mcginty is town. > > I mentioned that I agree with it right away when I posted my initial vote. I just mixed up NAF and Normal. and, for the record, here is your initial vote, which does mention ‘Naf’s case’ which really refers to Normal’s case, which follow’s Mahaloth’s post > [@Mahaloth](#): > > OK, I"m caught up. > > 1. Did Oy explain to us why she claimed? I didn’t see that one coming. Was it to draw protection? > > 2. I think Oredigger should have placed a real vote. > > 3. I think Telcontar is scummy mcscumbag and was stunned to see that NAF picked up on the exact things I did. Telcontar’s entire argument sounds like the kind of one I’ve seen him collaborate on with scum in other games. Since they have Day-talking in this game, I think he has worked up a case he can present as reasonable against NAF. > > Unvote Oredigger > > **Vote Telcontar** > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > \*\*unvote wanderers > > > > vote NAF\*\* > > > > So, this is a day when i’m increasingly suspicious of…everyone. Well, I now have a good feeling about Oy because the claim came in such a way that 1.) a well advised scum would have never gotten into the position of making it 2.) a poorly/unadvised scum would have made it badly (something about the ham-handedness of it screams innocent to me), but the rest of you are shifty. Anyway, to NAF: > > > > NAF has been a very active player and I’m not going to attempt an out and out WOW on him. But I really didn’t like his pursuit of Oy’s previously ambiguous power status. When a player says something that strongly implies they’re not vanilla, i think the best thing to do is watch them. There was no reason to force a claim now, Oy wasn’t being scummier than Oredigger for example, and in the morning we’d either have 1.) a dead Oy (no puzzle) 2.) a living Oy who was either scum or a town power role who had done something. Either way, we’d be in a better position to evaluate Oy. > > Oh goodness. I disagree completely here. Oy had made that ambiguous statement, the one that seemed to leave open the possibility that she is vanilla. NAF has stated (and I agree it would have been appropriate) that if she had in fact claimed vanilla after the initial slip, he would have voted her. That gives him unquestionably legitimate motive to pursue the question. > > Now as for the consequences: if Oy does not claim, she is very unlikely to find herself a protector for the night. Scum could and probably would shoot with impunity – what better alternative do they have? So for her not to claim, if she’s town, is essentially to abandon herself to death for no gain to the town. This way, on the other hand, the mafia have to deal with the WIFOM. Will she or will she not be protected? Will she or will she not be watched? They may well shoot elsewhere. And then not only do we get the information from that player’s alignment and interactions, but we also get information from Oy herself. This is not necessarily a town-unfriendly trade. It could even turn out quite good for us. > > I could add in an obligatory paragraph about the trade-offs if Oy is scum, but I don’t think she is. > > As for you, Telcontar, I’ve noticed a certain tendency toward rigidness in scum players, both myself and others. It’s like they have a list of “X, Y and Z is scummy behavior” in their heads and they’re reluctant to deviate from it, because if they do, they’re left with nothing to vote for. You have a certain whiff in this post of “forcing a claim is scummy, period” and forget the circumstances. Not enough to vote for in itself, but it’s there. > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > I’d be more suspicious of special ed for the same, but he did this with chronos last game so i see it as part of his playstyle (if an unfortunate part). > > Why more suspicious than NAF? Or do you just mean more suspicious than you currently _are_ reading him? > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > Other comments: I don’t like some of what has been emanating from Chup, but that’s partially dependent on whether oredigger is scum. If oredigger is, then we should consider chup tomorrow. Otherwise a lot of it is probably in the null tell category. > > Oh really? I don’t get this seeming connection between Chip and Oredigger. I doubt even NAF does, who was the first to bring up the possibility of a distraction being intended. There’s no reason it should have been Chip’s vote in particular, if it happened at all. So please – what “lot of it” from Chipacabra puts him into a bad light currently assuming Ore might be scum, but would turn into a null tell if Ore is town? > > I don’t buy this whole paragraph, honestly. It looks fake. > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > I don’t buy peeker’s case against Mrs McGinty. Yes, it is a bit risky for a town player to stick their neck out for an unknown quantity, but McGinty was mostly pushing an informational case (I know this about romanic’s playstyle) rather than an affective case (i have a good feeling about him). I might have done the same > > I have the same problem with this paragraph as I have with Mrs McGinty’s approach to Romanic in the first place. Peeker’s case may be right and it may be wrong, but there’s nothing actually misguided about it. There’s no reason whatsoever not to buy it unless you are more confident than you should be that Mrs McGinty is town. > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > Oy: With your powers you’re probably going to find yourself playing a probability game with the mafia. Your role is actually moderately powerful, so they’ll be tempted to off you (or block you, presuming they can). so each night you’ll have to roll the dice and decide whether to risk investigating/watching. Key point: don’t tell us what you’re doing in advance. > > Useful information, and on that much I agree. But I’m voting for you anyway. Oredigger has plenty of votes, and I always prefer making my own case when I can. > > **unvote** > **vote: Telcontar** Now, the key is, does this equate to 1. Telcontar played stiffly. 2. His comments about peek did look very fake/forced. 3. He did seem awfully confident Mcginty is town. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2328 "2010-10-27T12:00:11Z")
NETA, I should have intorduced that by saying: > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Not only did I state it, I restated and summarized it a few pages back. You really are stuck on it. > > I’ll say it again. The “way he played the game” thing was only part of what made him seem scummy. no worries, I found it. It was 6 days ago, but I think this is it: ```auto I had had too many open windows and finished the post in a reply that I only had open for copy/paste reasons. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2329 "2010-10-27T12:31:32Z")
Yep, that is it. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2330 "2010-10-27T14:04:05Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > [QUOTE=Oy!] > So I’m not yet ready to switch off of Suburban. But perhaps some of the rest of you could have a look at lilflower. She was pretty defensive of Telcontar and possibly the other suspect(s) Normal Phase fingered on Day 1. > > I’ve also noticed that Mrs McGinty has been quite consistently very defensive about being called out or voted - witness the days-long discussion with peeker while the rest of us were talking about all kinds of other things. So I think that Mrs McGinty is just touchy about being accused, and at this point I don’t suspect him (her?). Why don’t you do the legwork yourself on the lilflower case? Not that it’s bad to ask someone else to look things up, I’m just curious why now and why that case. [/QUOTE] For Pete’s sake, I provided post numbers. I guess that’s not enough… So here’s what I was talking about: [QUOTE=lilflower in Post #1401] [QUOTE=Normal Phase] While all this conversation is no doubt illuminating to those who have the time to actually read it, I have something additional to add: Having asked for and gotten clarification from Storyteller, I can say definitively that Chipacabra died last night protecting me. Make of that what you will. At this point I have no intentions of revealing anything more about my role. However, it does provide additional lines of inquiry for the day: namely, the question of why I was attacked. I had voted for OneandonlyWanderers and Drain Bead in addition to my day-ending vote on Telcontar. I had also expressed suspicion of Mrs McGinty. (And I had somewhat defended NAF and Oy.) While it’s always possible I was attacked for some other reasons, the question of who stands to benefit does interest me, and I think it should count as a small mark against each of those four. My vote on Telcontar has carried over, and for now it will remain there. (As mentioned, though, I have no remotely caught up.) [/QUOTE] There are any number of reasons why someone might have tried to kill you. Perhaps it was to purposely put suspicion on anyone who you voted for yesterDay (which seems to have worked on you) or it could just be that someone else thought you were a good player and wanted you dead. Or maybe we have a town vig who tried to kill you because he/she thought you were not town. I’m not sure why you are mentioning any defense of Oy! or NAF. Do you think that’s some reason for you to be a target? I’m a little surprised by this post. You usually have more analysis in your posts and this one just seems like a huge smudge against OAOW, Drain Bead,Telecontar and Mrs. McGinty [/QUOTE] . [QUOTE=Normal Phase in Post 1404] As regards Oy and NAF, no, I don’t think that’s related to why I was targeted; I only mentioned it because I was thinking on my day one interactions anyway. Regarding the rest – 1. I categorically reject the idea that I might have been attacked to lend support to my arguments against any of the four named players. Scum in that case would be better off leaving me alive to follow up on my misguided ideas, so that they themselves do not have to expose themselves by promoting the concept. In all my times playing scum, I have never killed anyone to frame another in such a manner in a situation/game like this, nor have I had a teammate suggest it. It’s not plausible as a motivation. 2. Town vig? For real? Would have to be the most oddball vig in existence, then. I think neither MHaye nor I were vig kills/attempts. 3. Good player? Sure. Or whoever attacked me might have chucked darts at a dartboard for all I know. That’s why it’s only a small mark against the four. I can’t be sure. But I refuse to ignore it and pretend it’s not there. This is no smudge. Your post, on the other hand, looks like one big attempt to discredit me and/or my logic regarding the four named players. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lilflower in Post 1405] 1. How can you be so sure? It seems like your response here is that “scum would never do that” which I think we all know by now isn’t always valid. 2. Why is it so outrageous that a vig would kill you or MHaye? 3. If someone is “just throwing darts”, why would it not be the vig? And yes, my post is an attempt to discredit you. That’s why I posted it in the first place. I think you are trying to use the (alleged) attempt on your life to further your cases against others. We do not even know if what you are telling us is true nor how you could even come to know that in the first place. [/QUOTE] Then, in the next post: [QUOTE=lilflower in post 1406] I’ve been thinking about this peeker situation. I think that there is a possibility that he was just confused but the fact that he has not come back with any defense other than that he doesn’t have the book (but really - what else could he say?) makes me think he did slip. vote peeker [/QUOTE] **Normal Phase** asks **peeker** to share his PM in post 1426, then gets back to **lilflower** : [QUOTE=Normal Phase in post 1432] [QUOTE=lilflower] 1. How can you be so sure? It seems like your response here is that “scum would never do that” which I think we all know by now isn’t always valid. [/QUOTE] Whereas your response reads like “don’t even bother thinking about motivation, because scum might do anything”. Which is also invalid. Did you even think about what I said? There is no advantage to killing me to frame someone else that can’t be more safely accomplished by letting me live to pursue my suspicions myself. That means no good motive. I have also never seen such a thing be carried out or suggested in 10-20 games playing scum. That means no empirical evidence that scum might do such a thing either. That’s plenty good enough for me to be drawing conclusions on. [QUOTE=lilflower] 2. Why is it so outrageous that a vig would kill you or MHaye? [/QUOTE] Never seen an active player with no votes on them vigged on night one, either, especially not with so many other options available, starting with Chipacabra and ending with Omi no Kami. [QUOTE=lilflower] Quote:3. If someone is “just throwing darts”, why would it not be the vig? [/QUOTE] Because vigs don’t throw darts. [QUOTE=lilflower] And yes, my post is an attempt to discredit you. That’s why I posted it in the first place. I think you are trying to use the (alleged) attempt on your life to further your cases against others. We do not even know if what you are telling us is true nor how you could even come to know that in the first place. [/QUOTE] Sorry, I’m rather liking my magic bag right at the moment. It goes well with my shoes. unvote: Telcontar vote: lilflower May as well. Suspicion of me is one thing, but not when coupled with an attack on my perfectly legitimate conclusions. [/QUOTE] \*\*Normal Phase \*\*has several interactions not concerning **lilflower** , then [QUOTE=lilflower in Post 1445] [QUOTE=Normal Phase] [QUOTE=lilflower] 1. How can you be so sure? It seems like your response here is that “scum would never do that” which I think we all know by now isn’t always valid. [/QUOTE] Whereas your response reads like “don’t even bother thinking about motivation, because scum might do anything”. Which is also invalid. Did you even think about what I said? There is no advantage to killing me to frame someone else that can’t be more safely accomplished by letting me live to pursue my suspicions myself. That means no good motive. I have also never seen such a thing be carried out or suggested in 10-20 games playing scum. That means no empirical evidence that scum might do such a thing either. That’s plenty good enough for me to be drawing conclusions on. Never seen an active player with no votes on them vigged on night one, either, especially not with so many other options available, starting with Chipacabra and ending with Omi no Kami. Because vigs don’t throw darts. [/QUOTE] What bothers me here is that you seem so sure of what a vig or what the scum would do. You seem to be discounting any other possibilities. [QUOTE=Normal Phase] [QUOTE=lilflower] And yes, my post is an attempt to discredit you. That’s why I posted it in the first place. I think you are trying to use the (alleged) attempt on your life to further your cases against others. We do not even know if what you are telling us is true nor how you could even come to know that in the first place. [/QUOTE] Sorry, I’m rather liking my magic bag right at the moment. It goes well with my shoes. [/QUOTE] To me this reads like you just want us all to trust you and your “magic bag” and I don’t trust anyone in Mafia. You may not want to tell us what you know but I will continue to be suspicious of you until you do (and possibly even after). [QUOTE=Normal Phase] unvote: Telcontar vote: lilflower May as well. Suspicion of me is one thing, but not when coupled with an attack on my perfectly legitimate conclusions. [/QUOTE] What you are calling “perfectly legitimate conclusions” assume entirely too much in such a large game. I am suspicious of anyone who comes to such resolute conclusions. And maybe I just haven’t played enough to be able to make such large leaps of logic but I feel like you are cutting off discussion of other possibilities by drawing these kinds of conclusions and cutting off discussion is anti-town. No one else has commented on that post of yours so maybe I’m wrong here but I’d be interested to hear what others think. [/QUOTE] **lilflower** was quite accusatory toward **Normal Phase** in these posts, and at first blush it struck me that she was being defensive about **Telcontar** , who, after all turned out to be Scum. However, this morning it occurs to me that **lilflower** could be a mason with one of the other three people **Normal Phase** mentioned: **OneandonlyWanderers** , **Drain Bead** , or **Mrs McGinty**. I think we can eliminate **Drain Bead** from that list as a possible mason; she is either the Town Librarian or she is not Town. But the other two could conceivably be masons with **lilflower** , and that might account for her defensiveness toward them and her offense on **Normal Phase**. **lilflower** could be legitimately suspicious of **Normal Phase** for that. Or **lilflower** could be Scum, defending one or more Scum-buddies. Dunno. I haven’t found anything particularly striking about **lilflower** posts otherwise. I’ve really had to push myself to participate at all in this; I can understand the desire to lurk unobtrusively in order not to make a fool of oneself. On the other hand, I also understand that sitting quietly and keeping your mouth shut (except for non-controversial posts, for example explaining game play to a newbie, as she did for me) is a good way to play Scum. [QUOTE=special ed] Also, the last paragraph about McGinty. Isn’t that al the more reason to suspect him? The consistent defensiveness? Or is it not suspicious because it’s been consistent? :dubious: I mean, if McGinty is Scum, hasn’t he been Scum all game? [/QUOTE] I just thought that the fact that **Mrs McGinty** was equally defensive in the face of a ridiculous accusation from **peeker** that was getting no ground at all and a somewhat more credible accusation from me that looked like people might be buying it might indicate someone who was prickly about being accused, period. I’ve never played with **Mrs McGinty** , but some of you have. Has he been this prickly about accusations before? As for **Suburban Plankton** , my vote is still there, but I’m not feeling it very strongly. His claim seems legit, but as has been pointed out, Scum are certainly down to enough numbers for everyone to have a false role available, and again, the role he did claim was something that could have been tweaked from an original Scum role. So I just don’t know. [oog] [QUOTE=Total Lost] It’s late in Denmark and I want to think about this and read some stuff for earlier before making a decision. [/QUOTE] You’re in Denmark? Is English your first language, because if not, well done! [/oog] ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2331 "2010-10-27T14:20:15Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Because when you come right down to it, Scum wouldn’t do what I did. Scum would pick targets they knew were Town and attempt to manufacture cases against them. Scum would latch on to cases against Townies, and try, if possible, to steer away from cases against Scum. I made a legitimate effort to locate Scum. Scum wouldn’t do what I did. You know, I wasn’t sure what to think about you until I read this paragraph. Your ‘legitimate effort to locate Scum’ is indistinguishable to me from any other Scum led case, so using that as part of your defense is meaningless. \*\*vote Suburban \*\* Also, out of game. I’m going out of town today. I’ll be at my parents’ house where I should be able to follow along, but I’ll be pretty busy. I’ll be back Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2332 "2010-10-27T15:33:45Z")
Hey, **Maha** , you were online for at least part of the **Telcontar** - **Idle** dustup late on Day 2 and early on Night 2. Why didn’t you weigh in at the time? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2333 "2010-10-27T16:36:08Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > You know, I wasn’t sure what to think about you until I read this paragraph. Your ‘legitimate effort to locate Scum’ is indistinguishable to me from any other Scum led case, so using that as part of your defense is meaningless. > > \*\*vote Suburban \*\* > > Also, out of game. I’m going out of town today. I’ll be at my parents’ house where I should be able to follow along, but I’ll be pretty busy. I’ll be back Saturday. Apparently you didn’t bother actually reading what I was saying, but whatever. You really went out on a limb here, voting for me. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2334 "2010-10-27T16:38:48Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Oh really. Who do you find scummy, Mahaloth? > > @ NAF – I don’t know what more can really be said that hasn’t already been said. It’s been gone over in exhaustive and exhausting detail, hasn’t it? > > 1. Serious pot-stirring against NAF on day two, but never a vote. Goes so far as to say it is more plausible that NAF is lying than that he isn’t. No vote. Reasons for “suspicion” lack logic, at that. Around midday starts backing off saying he can’t think of any scum motivation for NAF, but nevertheless opens another front of suspicion over the “just vig me please” thing, which also goes nowhere. > > 2. Tepid defense of peeker over the course of three or four posts. Employs the exact same smudge as Telcontar did in regards to the peeker bandwagon, that it came up suspiciously fast. (And notably, Astral covered both of them in complaining, without names attached, of those who had made that smudge.) Logic used on NAF/peeker connection implies that if NAF is town, peeker is less suspicious, which is a peeker-saving way of looking at it particularly when “I’m leaning toward NAF as town” is part of the same post. The “just claim, peeker/vote peeker” post is overdone. > > 3. Votes Romanic on day one despite nothing in the vote post to indicate actual suspicion (one point in Romanic’s favor, one null tell). But later, Romanic’s mistake is “egregious”. Furthermore, the initial point in Romanic’s favor no longer is one. > > 4. Minor pot-stirring against Oredigger, again without a vote attached. Repeatedly claims that his lack of end-day vote on day one was due to being away, but there’s really no reason he could not have voted Oredigger at some earlier point – several others had. Looks like hesitance to vote a townie without something slam-dunk to fall back on, same as with NAF. > > 5. Minor pot-stirring against Idle in second half of day, but no vote here either. Misrepresents his own record later on when he says he was suspicious of Idle “from the get-go” when there is no evidence of that. > > 6. (a bit ego-centric here) Only person to question potential presence of Watcher at Chipa’s house on night one. My problem with this is that all the points you’ve made here except number 4 and the first number 5 (you had two) could apply equally well to me, and I’m Town: 1. I thought \*\*NAF \*\*was being Scummy. Now, admittedly, I voted for him, while **SP** did not, but still, I agreed with **SP**. 2. I thought **Peeker** was innocent, or at least that **Peeker** ’s behavior was not sufficient to vote against him. I never did vote **Peeker** , but **SP** did. 3. I thought the case on **Romanic** was very iffy, although it was also “egregious.” I found a single other reason to vote on him, so how does what **SP** did differ from what I did? 5 (the second). I may not have questioned you on your watching **Chipa** (actually, I did question you about it), but I sure as hell had doubts about it. I still do, for that matter. For the moment, they are superseded by the fact that I feel your suspicion of **Telcontar** was sufficient to justify a Scum attack on you, but I haven’t forgotten my doubts. So I’m left wondering, just how Scummy does **SP** look after all? And if **SP** is town, well, you were the first one to push him, I think. Does that make you Scum? There’s enough doubt about **SP** that I am going to leave my vote on him. Worst case, we lynch a vanilla Town. But I must say, **Normal** , that if SP flips Town, I will be looking at you quite hard. It’s not a slam dunk by any means, but you’ll have my attention.\* \*Please don’t take any of that personally. You’ve been lovely to me and I’ve appreciated it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2335 "2010-10-27T16:51:05Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Hey, **Maha** , you were online for at least part of the **Telcontar** - **Idle** dustup late on Day 2 and early on Night 2. Why didn’t you weigh in at the time? I don’t know. I guess I didn’t have something to contribute at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2336 "2010-10-27T17:45:56Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > [oog] > You’re in Denmark? Is English your first language, because if not, well done! > [/oog] Nope. Not my first language at all - so thanks 🙂 And when Ed shows up and starts telling you all my mis-spells over the years, don’t listen to him - okay 😃 I’ve been thinking a lot about my vote and I’ll keep it where it is. I can’t know for sure if it’s on scum or not. But sometimes you have to trust your instinct. This is where I do that. My case on Sub P might seem based only on the “Scum would put up a defense”-statement. But it’s also a ping - that has been there for a while. Do I remember when it started? I’m trying to think and I’m sure it was before the beginning of Day 2. But it’s enough for me to feel the uncertainty is going to take up a lot of time and space. I don’t like mis-lynches. But if we have to have them (and I’ve only played in one game ever where we didn’t have any) then early and ahead is the best way. Taking out someone I can see playing Town ATM is where I want to go. So my vote will stay. Despite the vanilla claim. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2337 "2010-10-27T17:52:38Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t know. I guess I didn’t have something to contribute at the time. I know you can’t answer this - because it’s not really a question - but I’d like to know if you have something to add to my speculations: The way I see it… if I had the power to know the number of Scum (but could see no player but one act scummy) and the power to know the number of 3rd parties with a unique wincon (and - this is me putting words into your mouth - could see no one act in this sort of manner). I know I’d want to know the number of Scum. Because that’s where I spend most time in the hunt to figure out how to win. You say stuff like “you don’t see anyone scummy” however you spend the power on the 3rd parties. So I kind of wonder why… Anyway - I guess I can put it too you as a question after all: Do you find anyone behaving in a not pro-town manner? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2338 "2010-10-27T18:00:27Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Apparently you didn’t bother actually reading what I was saying, but whatever. You really went out on a limb here, voting for me. I did read it and no matter how many times and how many ways you try to explain it, it’s still crap. And since when does every vote need to be “out on a limb?” ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2339 "2010-10-27T18:02:58Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > However, it doesn’t excuse his “I voted for Scummy Tom Scud” in random and how he was starting to make the same comments about Telcontar once he showed up with the burning mark. This still bothers me. It’s just difficult to get out of my mind no matter how much I try. Maybe the fact that Mahaoth really burned me with this approach in random Mafia. I was so confident that he was Scum (he was) but his defense that he had voted for a Scum before the Scum was even seen as Scummy won over the rest of the Town. So maybe part of it is personal. I know my vote is still on Suburban. The whole no defense defense still bugs me, despite Suburban otherwise acquitting himself well. When I get home, I’ll look through the thread again. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/2340 "2010-10-27T18:31:45Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > This still bothers me. It’s just difficult to get out of my mind no matter how much I try. Deal with it. And, I was basing that tactic on the fact that I had also voted for Kelly in the previous game and gotten lynched instead of him. When he flipped scum the next Day, I vowed I would point out my successes in finding scum in the future. Since I was scum, it worked out well for me. I’m not rubbing the whole “I got Telcontar early” thing in anyone’s face this time, though [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=116) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=118)