# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 153
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3041 "2010-11-18T21:17:22Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Unofficial color-coded vote counts Now with updated colors! Day 1 v1.0 **Drain** (0 votes): [del] **Idle** (359-569)[/del] **Idle** (0 votes): [del] **Drain** (376-472)[/del] **OaOW** (0 votes): [del] **Telcontar** (440-498)[/del], [del] **Normal** (449-501)[/del] **Natlaw** (0 votes): [del] **Chipa** (443-547)[/del] **Chipa** (0 votes): [del] **Romanic** (456-557)[/del] **Total** (0 votes): [del] **Special** (462-466)[/del] **Romanic** (23 votes): **Special** (466), **Guiri** (469), **OaOW** (471), **Drain** (472), **Brewha** (480), **NAF** (486), **Mahaloth** (487), **lilflower** (496), **Normal** (501), **Telcontar** (498), **Rysto** (500), **Astral** (507), **Suburban** (516), **Oredigger** (527), **Hal** (529), **Peeker** (531), **Nanook** (536), **Cookies** (538), **Chipa** (547), **Oy!** (548), **Idle** (569), **Stanislaus** (680), **USCDiver** (696) **Hal** (2 votes): **Romanic** (557), **McGinty** (678) Non-voters: **Total** , **Omi** , **Tex** , **Natlaw** , **MHaye** Day 1 v2.0 **Hal** (0 votes): [del] **McGinty** (678-1042)[/del] **OreDigger** (12 votes): **Drain** (716), **Special** (717), **lilflower** (732), **Idle** (733), [del] **Normal** (734-766)[/del], [del] **Normal** (766-1010)[/del], **Tex** (798), [del] **NAF** (845-1016)[/del], [del] **Mahaloth** (874-1017)[/del], **Cookies** (875), **Guiri** (879), **Hal** (882), **Astral** (888), **OaOW** (985), **Telcontar** (1025), **MHaye** (1046) **McGinty** (1 vote): **Peeker** (755), **NAF** (1 vote): **Oy!** (758), [del] **Stanislaus** (890-1048)[/del], [del] **Telcontar** (996-1025)[/del] **Drain** (0 votes): [del] **Normal** (766-766)[/del] **Rysto** (0 votes): [del] **Chipa** (775-813)[/del] **OaOW** (0 votes): [del] **Telcontar** (803-996)[/del] **Telcontar** (5 votes): **Normal** (1010), **Brewha** (1015), **Mahaloth** (1018), **Chipa** (1043), **Stanislaus** (1048) **Chipa** (3 votes): **USCDiver** (812), [del] **OaOW** (814-985)[/del], **Natlaw** (871), **Rysto** (1037) **Peeker** (2 votes): **NAF** (1036), **McGinty** (1042) No Lynch (1 vote): **[COLOR=“Blue”]Oredigger[/color]** Non-voters: **Total** , **[COLOR=“Blue”]Omi[/color]**, **Nanook** , **Suburban** Day 2 (excluding **Peeker** ’s vote spree) **NAF** (1 vote): [del] **Oy!** (758-1526)[/del], [del] **Tex** (1192-1573)[/del], [del] **Brewha** (1201-1516)[/del], [del] **Drain** (1228-1376)[/del], **Peeker** (1603) **Telcontar** (1 vote): [del] **Normal** (1010-1432)[/del], [del] **Brewha** (1015-1201)[/del], [del] **Mahaloth** (1018-1397)[/Del], [del] **Stanislaus** (1048-1299)[/del], **Normal** (1528) **Peeker** (15 votes): [del] **NAF** (1036-1303)[/del], **McGinty** (1042), **USCDiver** (1353), **NAF** (1357), **Astral** (1358), **Special** (1367), **Drain** (1376), **Cookies** (1379), [del] **Rysto** (1383-1564)[/del], **Idle** (1384), [del] **OaOW** (1393-1448)[/del], **Mahaloth** (1397), **Guiri** (1400), **lilflower** (1406), **Nanook** (1453), **Suburban** (1521), **Stanislaus** (1604), **Rysto** (1631) **Omi** (0 votes): [del] **Astral** (1217-1358)[/del] **Guiri** (0 votes): [del] **Idle** (1224-1384)[/del] **McGinty** (0 votes): [del] **Peeker** (1231-1603)[/del] **Idle** (1 vote): [del] **OaOW** (1262-1393)[/del], **Telcontar** (1408), [del] **OaOW** (1448-1589)[/del] **Suburban** (1 vote): **Natlaw** (1276), [del] **Stanislaus** (1299-1604)[/del] **OaOW** (0 votes): [del] **Total** (1279-1538)[/del] **Drain** (0 votes): [del] **NAF** (1303-1357)[/del], [del] **Cookies** (1316-1379)[/Del] **lilflower** (0 vote): [del] **Normal** (1432-1528)[/del] **Drain** (1 vote): **Tex** (1667) Non-voters: **Oy!** , **Total** , **Omi** , **OaOW** , **Brewha** , **Hal** Day 3 Telcontar lynched Day 4 **Suburban Plankton** (10): Natlaw (2105), Normal Phase (2181), Stanislaus (2195) Oy! (2199), Nanook (2235), Total Lost (2239), Cookies (2252), special ed (2281), USCDiver (2331), TexCat (2405), lilflower (2411) **Mahaloth** (2): Hal Briston (2074), Drain Bead (2322) **Mrs. McGinty** (2): Suburban Plankton (2217), brewha (2237) **Total Lost** (2): NAF1138 (2254), Mahaloth (2391) **Texcat** (1): [del]lilflower[/del] (2369-4111) **Nanook** (1): Tom Scud (2395) No votes: didn’t check @ **USCDiver** : Nope sorry, I haven’t got links to all claims I just saw MCGinty’s while looking for the Day Six post so I added that one. The mass claim happened Day Five so you’ll have to start from that link. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3042 "2010-11-18T21:29:10Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I missed Nanook (sorry Nanook- but that can happen). As for the rest - we don’t know if they had any bonus. > If I’d been lynched Day 1, I bet I would have turned up “vanilla” but it seems I wasn’t. > > We had a mass-claim. In my book that means we lynch vanillas and unconfirmed until we hit scum. Why else did we claim in the first place? We had full claims from NAF and Suburban. So we do know they had no bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3043 "2010-11-18T21:29:20Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > First - you’re right. > Hal in quotes because I couldn’t remember his last name when typing. > Why would you ask Texcat if it was a “Coincidence?” and then later wave it off as you trying to set up a trap? > > You must have know that Texcat would pick up on this. Answer this. So I figured that setting Texcat up like that was part of the trap? > > Yet, you don’t seem to push Texcat ATM - you didn’t vote her or anything. So I (again) figured you where looking for scum elsewhere? > Now I’d wondering where? And why? I didn’t say I blocked Texcat and then just wave it off. I would have let everyone think that I had blocked texcat until I got an answer from Hal - had my plan not been so flawed. I knew that if I changed my story, I would look suspicious. That is why I bread crumbed Hal in the post where I said that I had blocked Textcat. I’ll explain the breadcrumb since no one seems to appreciate it, but I really dont’ think it should be necessary. Hal got pranked at work. He left his computer logged into the dope and someone started a thread as Hal claiming that he liked him some sex with sheep. Knowing that pretty much every doper has heard this story, I put in a Bah BAH (baa, baa) in my post. I guarantee that you will not find me using that word (bah) at all in this game and I’d be surprised if I have typed it on the dope in my 2,000+ posts. The only reason I said I had blocked Texcat was that I was directly asked who I had blocked. If I had said, “I’m keeping it a secret until I find out some things” and then asked Hal who he’d investigated, he would know I was on to him if he was scum. And, knowing that people have been on my ass about a no block night one I didn’t want to say that I hadn’t blocked. So, I had to pick someone and it had to make sense. I blocked Texcat the night before and there were no kills. Blocking her again would make sense. The only way that Texcat would know that I had not blocked her would be if she were scum and tried to kill. Or, if she was lying about being vanilla and had a power. **Tell me this, Total Lost. How would Texcat possibly have picked up on it? Do you know something about her that we do not?!?** ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3044 "2010-11-18T21:40:52Z")
Normal brought up a very good reason why there have been no night kills. It is because the next night Normal can ID the killers. I couldn’t figure out why the scum would wait, but Natlaw just said it upthread: they are waiting for him to run out of talismans. They can then kill Mrs. McG and then get Normal the next night before she can ID them. And the more I think about the odder it is that everyone else seems to have finite powers and OAOW’s seem to have no limits. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3045 "2010-11-18T22:05:27Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > We had full claims from NAF and Suburban. So we do know they had no bonuses. We know they died before having heard otherwise. it’s not so much “no-nillas” - it also that after a mass-claim we lynch from the pool on unconfirmed. You must have know this. Didn’t you see it as natural effect following the claim? Why did you claim? What did you think would happen? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3046 "2010-11-18T22:12:00Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > I didn’t say I blocked Texcat and then just wave it off. I would have let everyone think that I had blocked texcat until I got an answer from Hal - had my plan not been so flawed. > > I knew that if I changed my story, I would look suspicious. That is why I bread crumbed Hal in the post where I said that I had blocked Textcat. I’ll explain the breadcrumb since no one seems to appreciate it, but I really dont’ think it should be necessary. > > Hal got pranked at work. He left his computer logged into the dope and someone started a thread as Hal claiming that he liked him some sex with sheep. > Knowing that pretty much every doper has heard this story, I put in a Bah BAH (baa, baa) in my post. I guarantee that you will not find me using that word (bah) at all in this game and I’d be surprised if I have typed it on the dope in my 2,000+ posts. > > The only reason I said I had blocked Texcat was that I was directly asked who I had blocked. If I had said, “I’m keeping it a secret until I find out some things” and then asked Hal who he’d investigated, he would know I was on to him if he was scum. And, knowing that people have been on my ass about a no block night one I didn’t want to say that I hadn’t blocked. So, I had to pick someone and it had to make sense. > > I blocked Texcat the night before and there were no kills. Blocking her again would make sense. The only way that Texcat would know that I had not blocked her would be if she were scum and tried to kill. Or, if she was lying about being vanilla and had a power. > > **Tell me this, Total Lost. How would Texcat possibly have picked up on it? Do you know something about her that we do not?!?** No I don’t. I’m voting for her. But still I find it strange that you did what you did. However - not following the logic of a player don’t make them scum. I just wanted to know if you considered Texcat as a vanilla redundant to town to play a gambit like that? If not - why do it? If so - why not vote and see how she flips? I’m just trying to figure out why I’m shouldn’t place a “liar”-vote on you. I think I shouldn’t - but I want you to tell me why not 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3047 "2010-11-18T22:25:10Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > _Claims_: > **Romanic** - Town Hitchhiker (Special) - [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12992139&postcount=580), [exit post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12995877&postcount=714) > **Oredigger77** - Pharmaceutical Sales Representative (Vanilla) - [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13003276&postcount=898) > **Oy** - Novice Witch (Inventor) - [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13004133&postcount=947) > **Idle Thoughts** - Inexperienced Religious Figure (Investigator) - 1504: [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13024457&postcount=1509) > **NAF1138** - Grizzled Cop (Vanilla) - 1514: [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13024530&postcount=1514) > **Drain Bead** - Librarian (Vanila+) - 1990: [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13050995&postcount=1990) > **Mahaloth** - The Census Taker (Special) - 2004: [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13051517&postcount=2004) > **Suburban Plankton** - The Crooked Local Politician (Vanilla) - 2282: [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13068442&postcount=2282) > **Lilflower** - Stand-By (Backup) - 2451: [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13089657&postcount=2451) > **MrsMcGinty** - Original Recipe Ash (Special) - 2844: [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13122477&postcount=2844) [Missed mine](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13097414&postcount=2533). ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3048 "2010-11-18T22:29:27Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > We know they died before having heard otherwise. > > it’s not so much “no-nillas” - it also that after a mass-claim we lynch from the pool on unconfirmed. You must have know this. Didn’t you see it as natural effect following the claim? > > Why did you claim? > What did you think would happen? Sorry, I don’t understand this. We had full claims from NAF and Suburban before they died. They had no bonuses. Links to claims [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13068442&postcount=2282](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13068442&postcount=2282) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13024530&postcount=1514](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13024530&postcount=1514) You said in your original vote for me that it was because I was the only vanilla without a bonus. That is a falsehood. Now you say that it’s “not so much the no-nillas”. Why did I claim? Because to not claim would have been suspicious enough to lynch me. What did I think would happen after the claim? That we would continue to lynch the most suspicious person. This all seems obvious to me, and not any different than before the claim. As far as the pool of vanillas and unconfirmed goes, I don’t see that it got much smaller after the claim. Do you? Just who do you see as confirmed? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3049 "2010-11-18T22:30:46Z")
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**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3050 "2010-11-18T22:39:57Z")
**Total Lost** , I do find Texcat suspicious. I may even be voting for her today. But, I really want to know what you meant by this: > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > You must have know that Texcat would pick up on this. Answer this. So I figured that setting Texcat up like that was part of the trap? If I blocked someone else but claimed to have blocked a vanilla, that vanilla would have no way of picking up on it. They only way that Texcat would have known that I didn’t actually block her is if she had done something last night successfully. Or, if she some how knew that Hal was going to kill and found out that he didn’t. How could Texcat pick up on it? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3051 "2010-11-18T22:42:52Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > I’m just trying to figure out why I’m shouldn’t place a “liar”-vote on you. I think I shouldn’t - but I want you to tell me why not 😉 Liar is such a harsh word. But, I did indeed lie. I lied with the intention of coming clean when my trap (which couldn’t have possibly worked) was sprung. That is why I bread crumbed it. Do you not see that? Or do you think that the two Bahs that I refer to are merely coincidence? ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_McGinty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6bbea6/32.png) [@Mrs\_McGinty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_McGinty)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3052 "2010-11-19T01:37:08Z")
I’m still sticking with my vote against OAOW: 1. He misrepresented his powers at the mass reveal, and now asks us to believe that he did so because he wanted the scum to think he was ‘approaching vanillaness’. This is a nonsense. As demonstrated by his attempt to use a power for a second time, the role as stated suggests no restriction on re-use of the powers. 2. On night one, instead of using the Zoom Lens to see what NAF did with the book, he used a Stakeout to see who acted on NAF, who was an obvious target for townie investigators. This strikes me as making much more sense for a scum investigator than for a townie one. 3. On that first night, he discovered that Guiri/Tom and Idle had acted on NAF. The following day, NAF revealed that he had lost the book, but OAOW chose not to act on the crucial information he held. At the same time, Telcontar (the Scum Goon) accused Idle, leading the latter to reveal that he was, in fact, a town investigator. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3053 "2010-11-19T02:19:42Z")
That’s a pretty damning case, **McGinty**. What do you think of **Normal’s** plan? There’s been precious little discussion of it. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3054 "2010-11-19T03:55:12Z")
> [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > I’m still sticking with my vote against OAOW: > > 1. He misrepresented his powers at the mass reveal, and now asks us to believe that he did so because he wanted the scum to think he was ‘approaching vanillaness’. This is a nonsense. As demonstrated by his attempt to use a power for a second time, the role as stated suggests no restriction on re-use of the powers. > > 2. On night one, instead of using the Zoom Lens to see what NAF did with the book, he used a Stakeout to see who acted on NAF, who was an obvious target for townie investigators. This strikes me as making much more sense for a scum investigator than for a townie one. > > 3. On that first night, he discovered that Guiri/Tom and Idle had acted on NAF. The following day, NAF revealed that he had lost the book, but OAOW chose not to act on the crucial information he held. At the same time, Telcontar (the Scum Goon) accused Idle, leading the latter to reveal that he was, in fact, a town investigator. If I had a shotgun and was sure that I had found scum, I’d shoot them in the face. Right now, I’m getting the feeling that either you or OAOW is scum. I’d really appreciate you shooting him. I’m torn about which of you to vote for, and that would make my decision much easier. You shoot him and he’s scum? Huzzah for town! You shoot him and he’s town? Well, then we lynch you and I’m pretty sure if he’s town, you are not. Huzzah! for town! It’s win-win, if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_McGinty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6bbea6/32.png) [@Mrs\_McGinty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_McGinty)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3055 "2010-11-19T07:46:10Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > If I had a shotgun and was sure that I had found scum, I’d shoot them in the face. Right now, I’m getting the feeling that either you or OAOW is scum. I’d really appreciate you shooting him. I’m torn about which of you to vote for, and that would make my decision much easier. You shoot him and he’s scum? Huzzah for town! You shoot him and he’s town? Well, then we lynch you and I’m pretty sure if he’s town, you are not. Huzzah! for town! > > It’s win-win, if you ask me. Firstly, I’m not sure that OAOW is scum. My suspicions are certainly moving in that direction, but it would be nice to get some more eyes on the case against him. Secondly, your suggestion strikes me as a real waste of my powers, trading my ability to trap for the sake of shooting someone who could be lynched instead. I’m sure the scum would breathe much easier knowing they could kill without risking a mouthful of boomstick. Thirdly, why do you ignore the actual case against OAOW, responding instead with this “here’s what you should do if you’re innocent” crap, nudging me towards actions of dubious value for the town? ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_McGinty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6bbea6/32.png) [@Mrs\_McGinty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_McGinty)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3056 "2010-11-19T08:05:48Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Right now, I’m getting the feeling that either you or OAOW is scum. Also, you’ll have to give solid reasons, instead of vague ‘feelings’, if you want me even to consider such an action. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3057 "2010-11-19T10:46:13Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Sorry, I don’t understand this. We had full claims from NAF and Suburban before they died. They had no bonuses. Links to claims [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13068442&postcount=2282](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13068442&postcount=2282) > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13024530&postcount=1514](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13024530&postcount=1514) > You said in your original vote for me that it was because I was the only vanilla without a bonus. That is a falsehood. Now you say that it’s “not so much the no-nillas”. > > Why did I claim? Because to not claim would have been suspicious enough to lynch me. What did I think would happen after the claim? That we would continue to lynch the most suspicious person. This all seems obvious to me, and not any different than before the claim. > > As far as the pool of vanillas and unconfirmed goes, I don’t see that it got much smaller after the claim. Do you? Just who do you see as confirmed? Yes. You can look at is as a falsehood so I’ll re-phrase it to: I was the only living vanilla without a bonus. It might be a bit metagaming - but I’ve never (as far as I recall) seen a mass-claim where non of the scum tried to claim vanilla. So to me it’s logic after a mass-claim to look closer at the players with vanilla-claims. As far as confirmed, I guess you can always argue that no living player will ever be truly confirmed. But I’d say NormalPhase is getting pretty close 😉 /OoG I’m down with a horrible cold and would like to get a better grip of the game right now. But I’m not good at thinking when running a fewer. Sorry/ ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3058 "2010-11-19T10:47:34Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Liar is such a harsh word. But, I did indeed lie. I lied with the intention of coming clean when my trap (which couldn’t have possibly worked) was sprung. > > That is why I bread crumbed it. Do you not see that? Or do you think that the two Bahs that I refer to are merely coincidence? I’m trying to see what went on. Why it did and what your motivation could have been. The Bahs didn’t really mean anything to me. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3059 "2010-11-19T12:43:18Z")
> [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > I’m still sticking with my vote against OAOW: > > 1. He misrepresented his powers at the mass reveal, and now asks us to believe that he did so because he wanted the scum to think he was ‘approaching vanillaness’. This is a nonsense. As demonstrated by his attempt to use a power for a second time, the role as stated suggests no restriction on re-use of the powers. > > 2. On night one, instead of using the Zoom Lens to see what NAF did with the book, he used a Stakeout to see who acted on NAF, who was an obvious target for townie investigators. This strikes me as making much more sense for a scum investigator than for a townie one. > > 3. On that first night, he discovered that Guiri/Tom and Idle had acted on NAF. The following day, NAF revealed that he had lost the book, but OAOW chose not to act on the crucial information he held. At the same time, Telcontar (the Scum Goon) accused Idle, leading the latter to reveal that he was, in fact, a town investigator. I’m sorry for my relative lack of participation Today, I’ve been working more than usual. I’m happy with my vote on OAOW and this post by McGinty is as close to my thoughts as possible. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/3060 "2010-11-19T12:55:14Z")
> [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > I’m still sticking with my vote against OAOW: > > 1. He misrepresented his powers at the mass reveal, and now asks us to believe that he did so because he wanted the scum to think he was ‘approaching vanillaness’. This is a nonsense. As demonstrated by his attempt to use a power for a second time, the role as stated suggests no restriction on re-use of the powers. This I can’t argue with, makes me look bad. > [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > 1. On night one, instead of using the Zoom Lens to see what NAF did with the book, he used a Stakeout to see who acted on NAF, who was an obvious target for townie investigators. This strikes me as making much more sense for a scum investigator than for a townie one. Why the hell would a townie investigator target a guy holding an artifact stated to make him investigate as scum? Likewise why would I Zoom on NAF when it has been stated that the artifact he is holding will twist any actions he takes to make them look bad to a watcher? > [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > 1. On that first night, he discovered that Guiri/Tom and Idle had acted on NAF. The following day, NAF revealed that he had lost the book, but OAOW chose not to act on the crucial information he held. At the same time, Telcontar (the Scum Goon) accused Idle, leading the latter to reveal that he was, in fact, a town investigator. I didn’t choose not to act, I just chose to stay under the radar. If you look back I went after Idle that day because what I knew, combined with his about face on NAF, made me think he was the one with the book. The nive thing there was I was able to attack him for his own actions and dodgy reasoning about them. It was just a shame it turned out to be town. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=152) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=154)