# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Romanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Romanic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Romanic)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/461 "2010-10-05T11:27:26Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > 4th scum? Can you quote the post where we were told the number of scum? I can’t find any post saying the number of scums. 😕 Must have mixed this game with another I’m playing, or dreamed about this, or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I know how it looks. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/462 "2010-10-05T11:42:01Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > Most people have said they don’t like a _mass_ claim this early and I agree with that. I’m trying to bring forth a new idea about a different claim and want to make sure people: > > a) Get the difference > b) Understand what the color-claim-idea really is about > c) End up agreeing with me 😉 OK, so they’re stuck in a claim of Ceiling Cat. What’s to prevent them from making up a power? All of this at the risk of (potentially) exposing our power roles and (potentially) sacrificing our Vanilla. I can tell you that I a) get the difference b) understand what the color-claim idea is really about c) am getting really really suspicious of you pushing for it I’m struggling with the reasons. I think that 1. maybe you need to know certain roles to win as you’re some sort of PFK or hidden Scum 2. you really want to make it easy for Scum (I know, I know, I’m not one to talk, but I’ve learned my lesson) 3. there’s another reason I haven’t thought of It’s Day 1, but this is enough to **Vote: Total Lost** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/463 "2010-10-05T11:46:41Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > > > I do think they have fake Role-PM. That’s my point. We would force them to pick _one_ fake PM and they would have to stick with it. > > It’s the _stick with it part_ I like so much. > > > > Let me make it more clear: > > > > Scum #1 pick the fake Role-PM of “Celing Cat” and quote some innocent color along the lines of “your fur is nice and you eyes are pretty”. Scum #1 would not give anything away right then and there. > > Then we come to Day 3 in the game and Scum #1 is in trouble and need to claim. And to do it fast. Now to hide? Only one place: In the fake Role-PM of “Celing Cat”. > > Now my point was that maybe Scum #1 was been lynched for showing PIS. Then Scum #1 would like to claim a power of some sort of investigation. But was if “Celing Cat” was a fake protector-role? > > Then Scum #1 would have a perfect nice little worthless Role-PM to claim that would not let the little Scum off the hook. > > > > First of all I don’t think I’m pressing “very hard” to get info from people’s PMs. I might be pressing for us to discuss the idea of a color/sentence-claim - but I don’t think I’m trying to press anyone into given me special info from their PMs. > > > > Most people have said they don’t like a _mass_ claim this early and I agree with that. I’m trying to bring forth a new idea about a different claim and want to make sure people: > > > > a) Get the difference > > b) Understand what the color-claim-idea really is about > > c) End up agreeing with me 😉 > > I wanted to say, too, that I don’t really like Idle’s post that TL refers to here. As she points out, there’s a sort of casual mis-use of the word “most” in that many of those who have commented only discussed mass claims – not many have so far come out explicitly against the idea of Drain Bead’s that Total is promoting here. > > For the record: I do see the “Ceiling Cat” benefit to this idea. It would pin the scum down to a specific fake claim to some extent. They could always re-write in a pinch if they happened to pick a bad one originally, but that would expose them to a not-insignificant risk of the resulting PM not being up to Storyteller’s usual style. > > I am slightly concerned about the risk in giving away something we didn’t intend to in our own choices of color, and I still have that meta-game resistance to anything like this that I mentioned earlier, but the idea is intriguing in a way that most such things aren’t. I can’t say I’d argue too hard if it were to gain some support. Ugh! Here’s the thought, as a Town player. Let’s say a protector, you have this choice: 1. Find something in your PM that is innocent enough to not give away your power role at all 2. Post something that might hint at your role of protector Which will you choose? Now, as Scum you have this choice: 1. post something in a fake PM that is innocent enough to not give away any power role at all 2. post something that hints at a specific power role Isn’t everyone going to pick option 1? And what have we gained? Nothing But let’s say a PFK is looking for specific players much like the Serial Killer battle. This might help them. Or a Townie could slip and give up enough about their actual role. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/464 "2010-10-05T11:47:45Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > > I tend to like mass claims despite all evidence to the contrary. but that’s because I like digging through the info looking for the hidden lies. Can’t remember off the top of my head if an early mass claim has ever in my experience been good for town. I do like locking scum down to what they can later claim though. Keeps em tied down when the info starts rolling in later and makes it easier to find inconsistencies. > > The earliest I remember was day three in Heroes mafia, and it destroyed us scum utterly. Of course the 7 or 8 confirmed and all-but-confirmed town also had a lot to do that with. I still remember it being an uphill battle to get that win. Of course, it was probably just an uphill battle to get everyone to follow along with my plan for discovering the Scum ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/465 "2010-10-05T11:49:06Z")
> [@Romanic](#): > > Can someone provide a list of who is a new player in this group? I don’t mean new as in playing his 1st or 2nd mafia game, but rather who is playing his first game with this group of players. > > I know that Mrs. McGinty and I are two of these new players. > > I’m asking because the 4th Scum was chosen by the 3 randomly picked scums and there’s maybe something we can make from this. I think there’s a strong possibility that they would have chosen a player they know about, because who would want to take a chance with a newbie when you can pick a good player, someone you can rely on? I certainly would. Because this board has a history of giving new players the benefit of the doubt especially early in the game. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/466 "2010-10-05T11:50:18Z")
I think I’m finally caught up > [@Romanic](#): > > > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > > > 4th scum? Can you quote the post where we were told the number of scum? > > I can’t find any post saying the number of scums. 😕 > > Must have mixed this game with another I’m playing, or dreamed about this, or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I know how it looks. Yeah, it really really does **Unvote: Total Lost Vote: Romanic** ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/467 "2010-10-05T11:57:23Z")
@ **Special Ed** , what’s the probability that there are actually only 4 scum in this game? There were 6 in the original version with 3 fewer players so I’m not quite convinced that this is a case of PIS. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/468 "2010-10-05T12:00:59Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ **Special Ed** , what’s the probability that there are actually only 4 scum in this game? There were 6 in the original version with 3 fewer players so I’m not quite convinced that this is a case of PIS. Depending on their powers and any potential PFKs, it’s possible. I have no idea how possible. There could even be 2 Scum teams for all we know. There was the battle of the Serial Killers in the first game. If it’s not PIS, why the simple assumption that there were 3 and now are 4? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/469 "2010-10-05T12:02:12Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I certainly would. Because this board has a history of giving new players the benefit of the doubt especially early in the game. Ha! And I may have just fallen for this. **Vote Romanic** ---
**Author:** ![Romanic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a6a055/32.png) [@Romanic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Romanic)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/470 "2010-10-05T12:22:14Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > If it’s not PIS, why the simple assumption that there were 3 and now are 4? Like I said, I don’t know how it got into my head that there was 3+1 scums, it’s probably a combination of playing too many games and other factors like me being tired or whatever. I can’t defend against this and obviously it’s going to get me lynched eventually unless someone would come up with knowledge about how many scums there is, from insider info in his role PM, which I doubt very much. The truth is that I’m a townie who’s screwed up by providing a good reason to being voted for. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/471 "2010-10-05T12:23:17Z")
**vote Romanic** PIS anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/472 "2010-10-05T12:30:45Z")
4 Scum seems a little low for the numbers in this game, unless we have a substantial number of third-party/PFK types. That having been said, this seems like one of those slips that is MUCH more likely for Scum to make, so I’m comfortable changing my vote. **unvote Idle** **vote Romanic** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/473 "2010-10-05T12:33:36Z")
> [@Romanic](#): > > > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > > > 4th scum? Can you quote the post where we were told the number of scum? > > I can’t find any post saying the number of scums. 😕 > > Must have mixed this game with another I’m playing, or dreamed about this, or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I know how it looks. Looks like town, actually. I mean, it’s not a sure thing of course, and I don’t think you should be _out_ of suspicion for it, but around here four scum is typical of 20 players, not 30. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/474 "2010-10-05T12:35:14Z")
But I seem to be in the minority. Got a claim handy, Romanic? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/475 "2010-10-05T12:39:29Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@Romanic](#): > > > > I can’t find any post saying the number of scums. 😕 > > > > Must have mixed this game with another I’m playing, or dreamed about this, or whatever. Yeah, yeah. I know how it looks. > > Looks like town, actually. I mean, it’s not a sure thing of course, and I don’t think you should be _out_ of suspicion for it, but around here four scum is typical of 20 players, not 30. Yeah, as I mentioned, that’s the one thing that is giving me pause. And if **Romanic** flips Town, I’m going to be giving **Guiri** a close examination based on my “people who point out PIS slips are more likely to be Scum” pet theory. But I can’t see a good reason why a Townie, even a n00b, would make a post involving how many Scum there are. Most people who didn’t know how many Scum there are would have said something like “the final Scum” in that construction. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/476 "2010-10-05T12:42:13Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > > Looks like town, actually. I mean, it’s not a sure thing of course, and I don’t think you should be _out_ of suspicion for it, but around here four scum is typical of 20 players, not 30. > > Yeah, as I mentioned, that’s the one thing that is giving me pause. And if **Romanic** flips Town, I’m going to be giving **Guiri** a close examination based on my “people who point out PIS slips are more likely to be Scum” pet theory. But I can’t see a good reason why a Townie, even a n00b, would make a post involving how many Scum there are. Most people who didn’t know how many Scum there are would have said something like “the final Scum” in that construction. Excuse me, **Drain**. Irrespective of **Romanic** ’s alignment, she stated that there were orginally 3 scum who chose a 4th scum. Give me a reason why any Town player following th game would not question **Romanic** about it. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/477 "2010-10-05T12:43:39Z")
Agreed – that one was too damn obvious to fit the theory. Even a townie could see it, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/478 "2010-10-05T12:45:21Z")
NETA: Romanic is a guy. And using my dead time to add I really don’t want him to go down like this in his first game here, on a personal level. The disappointment will be only slightly eased if he actually is mafia. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/479 "2010-10-05T12:55:40Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > > Looks like town, actually. I mean, it’s not a sure thing of course, and I don’t think you should be _out_ of suspicion for it, but around here four scum is typical of 20 players, not 30. > > Yeah, as I mentioned, that’s the one thing that is giving me pause. And if **Romanic** flips Town, I’m going to be giving **Guiri** a close examination based on my “people who point out PIS slips are more likely to be Scum” pet theory. But I can’t see a good reason why a Townie, even a n00b, would make a post involving how many Scum there are. Most people who didn’t know how many Scum there are would have said something like “the final Scum” in that construction. seriously? The only reason it was Guiri pointing it out was that he got there first. That post would always cause a veritable stampede of replies & votes. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/480 "2010-10-05T12:55:48Z")
My isn’t this a sticky wicket for Romanic? My intial thought was that 4 scum are much too few for a game of this size and I wanted to believe that Romanic may have actually just been thinking of a different game. If that is the case, I’m pretty sure that at least one of those quick to vote for him is opportunistic scum that just found a good reason to place a vote on a townie. However, there’s no reason to believe that this is a straight town vs scum game. There could be any number of PFKs or masons type roles. Maybe there are only 4 scum. If this is the case, I would assume that there is going to be scum recruiting every night - or they have no chance of winning. And, if this is the case, Romanic obviously has to be lynched. I guess there’s only one way to resolve this for certian Vote Romanic [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=25)