# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/781 "2010-10-06T23:06:53Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@NAF1138](#): > > > > OT: I don’t remember what my take on Macey was in that game. I am curious what I thought at the time (though clearly not curious enough to go look it up myself.) > > I went back and scanned. I looked at a few of your posts after Macey’s fishing. And, you did end up casting a vote for Chucara for…fishing! That’s hilarious. 😃 I think I came up with my scum don’t need to fish stance right around Dr. Horrible, so it would have been after that. Still funny. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/782 "2010-10-06T23:08:21Z")
NETA: and in retrospect Chucara was right. And the alpha/beta claim probably would have helped. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/783 "2010-10-06T23:13:25Z")
I’ll play. Fishing can cause distraction and chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/784 "2010-10-06T23:17:19Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@NAF1138](#): > > > > Hey, it looks like I have a soapbox topic. > > > > Scum don’t need to fish. > > > > One more time. > > > > Scum don’t need to fish. > > > > Say it with me this time so you get the feel for it. > > > > Scum don’t need to fish. > > Need? No, I guess not. Is it helpful? Yes. Do they do it? Yes. > > :dubious: I actually disagree with NAF a bit on the “scum don’t need to fish” part. Occasionally they do. Sometimes they even fish when they don’t need to. But townies also ask questions of and regarding power roles, for perfectly valid reasons – they’re trying to find out who the scum are, and the power role information is part of the data set. This makes fishing, as such, almost completely useless as a scum tell. It’s also something that scum find it really easy to accuse others of. It’s nice and definite – it’s easy to see and easy to understand, and a lot of townies do see it as inherently scummy, which makes it a useful accusation for them (until someone like me calls them on it). That’s what I’d like to see change. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/785 "2010-10-06T23:19:57Z")
Others have already covered the fishing bit Naf, so I won’t go over it again. But I will agree with you sort of that the term fishing gets thrown about too much by people. Of course, that goes for most of the “scum tells” that have neat little buzz words attached to them. Fishing, smudging, snuggling, etc. It’s probably mostly a case of it being easier to use a recognizable term than to explain what you really mean. In regards to your question to Maha, I’m a little confused as to what “fishing” you think say a Detective is doing that will give him away. Or a Doctor for that matter. It’s not like a Detective has a pressing need to find power roles for his ability to work. Doctor maybe, but generally speaking the Doctor is best off self protecting at least to start. The only roles I can relaly see “fishing” in the sense most people mean it is Vig and Roleblocker, in an effort to avoid other power roles. But even then I don’t think that people with those roles generally do so. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/786 "2010-10-06T23:21:24Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > Need? No, I guess not. Is it helpful? Yes. Do they do it? Yes. > > > > :dubious: > > I actually disagree with NAF a bit on the “scum don’t need to fish” part. Occasionally they do. Sometimes they even fish when they don’t need to. But townies also ask questions of and regarding power roles, for perfectly valid reasons – they’re trying to find out who the scum are, and the power role information is part of the data set. This makes fishing, as such, almost completely useless as a scum tell. > > It’s also something that scum find it really easy to accuse others of. It’s nice and definite – it’s easy to see and easy to understand, and a lot of townies do see it as inherently scummy, which makes it a useful accusation for them (until someone like me calls them on it). That’s what I’d like to see change. This is more or less the main thrust of my argument. Fishing is a bad tell that won’t net you scum nearly often enough to be worthwhile. But that doesn’t make for the same sort of quality slogan as “scum don’t need to fish.” ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/787 "2010-10-06T23:21:50Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > Well, that was disappointing. I really thought we had a repeat of Harry Potter’s Day 1. Sorry, Romanic. Nice plates. > > Well, at least the Day is still early, and we’ve got more to work with than just handshaking nonsense. > > Right now, the things that I am looking at: > The Idle Thoughts/Drain Bead exchange. Actually, this has the hallmarks of a town on town clash to my eye. But it’s something to reconsider if we learn more about one or the other. What are those hallmarks, exactly? > [@](#): > > So, looks like Oredigger is under the lamp now. Rightly so; his comment that he left his vote in place because it didn’t matter is anti-town. Even if it’s obvious that someone is going to swing (or walk) but you believe he’s town, you PULL YOUR VOTE. If something had come up that either exonerated Rom or made someone else more suspicious and for whatever you’re not around to change your vote, it would be harder to save him. > > That being said, I get a little more of a ‘town playing wrong’ vibe than a scum vibe from Ore at the moment, but I’m going to keep an open mind there. What makes you lean town? > [@](#): > > Going back to my review of votes. Here’s the thing that stood out to me: > Rysto wasn’t willing to vote for Oy! possible slip in 431, but was willing to vote for Rom for basically the same crime. Difference being that a bandwagon had started. Can you link the possible slip in 431 for us to see and compare? I’d go look it up myself, but I’m short on time. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/788 "2010-10-06T23:23:14Z")
Yes, what Normal said as well. Innocent fishing can be hijacked by scum, either to incriminate the innocent or to encourage extra info out of the game that the scum might want (I don’t happen to share NAF’s confident that Scum are always have their fingers on the pulse of everything in the game) while being able to point the finger at the innocent who started the fishing if things go south. As for how pertinent this all is to our current situation, who knows. I’m re-reading Oredigger, though Wanderers has been damn quiet and had been getting some heat before the Romanic thing went down. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/789 "2010-10-06T23:23:33Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > This is more or less the main thrust of my argument. Fishing is a bad tell that won’t net you scum nearly often enough to be worthwhile. But that doesn’t make for the same sort of quality slogan as “scum don’t need to fish.” Yeah, I know. Just felt like pontificating a bit more. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/790 "2010-10-06T23:27:52Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Others have already covered the fishing bit Naf, so I won’t go over it again. But I will agree with you sort of that the term fishing gets thrown about too much by people. Of course, that goes for most of the “scum tells” that have neat little buzz words attached to them. Fishing, smudging, snuggling, etc. It’s probably mostly a case of it being easier to use a recognizable term than to explain what you really mean. > > In regards to your question to Maha, I’m a little confused as to what “fishing” you think say a Detective is doing that will give him away. Or a Doctor for that matter. It’s not like a Detective has a pressing need to find power roles for his ability to work. Doctor maybe, but generally speaking the Doctor is best off self protecting at least to start. The only roles I can relaly see “fishing” in the sense most people mean it is Vig and Roleblocker, in an effort to avoid other power roles. But even then I don’t think that people with those roles generally do so. You want me to set up scenarios, or do you want to move on with the game? I was more thinking of Vigs and roleblockers and other special roles. But townies are fishing…for scum. That’s sort of the whole point of the game. Fishing is a bad tell. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/791 "2010-10-06T23:59:45Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Drain Bead is a girl, Guiri is a boy, I am a girl, Roman **ic** (no “t”) is a boy, and Mrs McGinty likes to keep the mystery about her. Or him. 😃 > > Did I miss anyone? I might be too old to be considered a girl, but I am female. I am going to re-read tonight, but my initial reaction to Oredigger bringing up a no-lynch was wtf? The timing of his suggestion seems suspicious and from memory it seems inconsistent with his previous positions. I do think that scum are more likely to point out possible fishing, as well as possible PIS, though I don’t have enough data yet to support that hypothesis. And like most things, I don’t think either is a sure-tell, but certainly a data point worth considering. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/792 "2010-10-07T00:00:19Z")
So it’s ok for you to ask that sort of question of Maha but not for me to ask it of you? I don’t know whether to be suspicious or insulted. If you define fishing broadly enough, sure every single person in the game is guilty of it. But that isn’t how most people define it. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/793 "2010-10-07T00:34:12Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > So it’s ok for you to ask that sort of question of Maha but not for me to ask it of you? I don’t know whether to be suspicious or insulted. Neither? My question to Maha was something like 90% rhetorical, I assumed yours was too and that my answer about Vigs and things was good enough. I find it highly amusing that my rant about fishing has gained so much traction though since people have paid it very little attention in the past. I suppose I should be glad people are actually reading what I have to say. 😃 You want a scenario, fine, I’ll give you a scenario, but then you have to tell me how you think this conversation is changing your judgment of me as scum or town. Deal? Cops need to clear town more than they need to find scum. If you don’t accept that straight off then there is little use in us talking about strategy because we are coming from very different places. So it would be in a Cops best interest to try to suss out who does not have a power role so as to more easily clear townies. Or this It’s Day 2 of mafia and someone proposes that everyone post trust distrust lists. Those posted lists lead directly to the mafia slaying of a Cop. The person who proposed the lists and lead the fishing expedition is obviously scum right? Ok, I am fucking with you with that one. If you don’t get it ask Rysto, I bet he remembers. > [@](#): > > If you define fishing broadly enough, sure every single person in the game is guilty of it. But that isn’t how most people define it. How do you define it? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/794 "2010-10-07T00:44:19Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It’s Day 2 of mafia and someone proposes that everyone post trust distrust lists. Those posted lists lead directly to the mafia slaying of a Cop. The person who proposed the lists and lead the fishing expedition is obviously scum right? > > Ok, I am fucking with you with that one. > > If you don’t get it ask Rysto, I bet he remembers. Which game was that again? How did that all play out? ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/795 "2010-10-07T00:45:12Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > What are those hallmarks, exactly? Nothing I can nail down. It just sounds like the town v. town fight that seems to come up every game. Like ed and me last game. > [@](#): > > What makes you lean town? This was re: Oredigger. Same deal, nothing specific, just a feeling. > [@](#): > > Going back to my review of votes. Here’s the thing that stood out to me: > Rysto wasn’t willing to vote for Oy! possible slip in 431, but was willing to vote for Rom for basically the same crime. Difference being that a bandwagon had started. > [@](#): > > Can you link the possible slip in 431 for us to see and compare? I’d go look it up myself, but I’m short on time. Sure, lazy. > [@Rysto](#): > > I want to revisit this now that I have my role: > > > [@Oy](#): > > > > Um, here’s a weird thing. In post #137: > > > > And in post #210: > > > > Except that’s not what **Storyteller** said in his post #110: > > **Story** didn’t say anything whatsoever about Scum getting their role PMs, just messages to the effect that they are Scum. In fact, based on what he said, it seems to me that Scum wouldn’t get their role PMs until everyone else does, once Scum have selected their final buddy. > > > > So how is it that **Cookes** knows otherwise? > > I’m actually not that interested in what this says about Cookies as much as I am interested in what it says about Oy!. I find that usually when somebody states an assumption that I know to be wrong it really sticks out to me. And I’ve found that as scum there can be a strong urge to try and cast that bad assumption as PIS, especially early in the where the scum can be pretty hard-up to find a reason to state some suspicions of players that they know to be innocent. > > **So I have to admit that I’m kind of wondering if the scum _didn’t_ get their role PMs at the start, and Oy! knows that and that’s why Cookies assumption to the contrary jumped out at him. It’s extremely thin. But I wanted to get that idea out there.** Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/796 "2010-10-07T00:47:17Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Beyond that, while I love talking about game mechanics and strategy, your :dubious: smiley tells me that you think this has some relevance to my own role in the game. It doesn’t. I have posted a variation on the same screed in my last several games as both town and scum. Uh, sorry about the dubious thing, then. Consider it more of a “did I hear that right” face with a serious look. It may have come off too strong. I just think you are wrong. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Let me follow that up with a question for you Maha, 1. how do you think you should go about finding scum? > > 1. When you are a power role, how do you think you should go about determining who you should target with your power? > . 1. Early on in the game? Looking for oddities or people trying to play without stepping on any toes. 2. Depends on the power. Usually players just ping me as “off” or “odd”. If I’m suspicious of them, I’ll target them if I’m a investigator. If I’m a protector, I’ll usually protect myself until I think I can guess who the scum might go for. I’ve never been a vigilante(except in inblorious gasterds where we all were). ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/797 "2010-10-07T02:07:42Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I believe there’s a difference between “not convinced” and “not quite convinced” - which are the words I actually used in the post you linked to. Nice omission… You’re right, but not “quite” convinced, to me, still means not being convinced. So again, I just find it odd-looking. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/798 "2010-10-07T03:01:29Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Oy](#): > > > > I don’t like the case on **Oredigger** or **Mrs McGinty**. > > > > Once **Romanic** messed up, pretty much all reaction to him was, as far as I’m concerned, a null tell. It was a huge mess up that pretty much had to be voted for, but it was also a huge bandwagon that anyone could hop on. Both Town and Scum could see both those things, and everything anyone said about it could be interpreted in light of either Town or Scum and make perfect sense. And now come the inevitable recriminations. > > So, because the case was so strong against Romanic all reactions to it are null tells? > > Really? > > Did you actually read the comments that Oredigger made? Those comments that he himself admitted look Scummy? > > Maybe you should go back and read them before you handwave them off. OK. I have gone back and re-read them and they still make Oredigger look scummy. **vote: Oredigger** ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/799 "2010-10-07T03:09:35Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > […]Anyone (well, nearly anyone) may take the Book at any time during the Day or by Night (beginning Day One). A player may take possession of the Book by sending the Moderator a PM any time during the Day/Night; if multiple PMs are sent to this effect, the Book will go to the first PM received (chronologically).[…] Can someone explain how the book works? Could I send a PM right now and say that I want to take the book? Or is it only the first person during the day who gets it? And then is it again the first person to send a PM during the night who gets it? Or do we have to wait till toMorrow to attempt to get it? Or do we have to wait until NAF dies or gives it up? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/800 "2010-10-07T03:12:26Z")
Story has said, earlier, it’s the first person who messages during the beginning of a cycle (Day/Night). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=41)