# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/921 "2010-10-08T15:56:32Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > They might not even have day talk, and in that case it’s even more iffy; FWIW, I’m pretty sure the rules post implies that they DO have day talk. The rules say you can post any time anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/922 "2010-10-08T15:56:41Z")
The question I have about Oy! is, would scum have not noticed that the power roles were individualized based on the sample Vanilla PM? I think they would have, my guess is that Oy! isn’t scum. As for Digger… I have been thinking about his claim, and on the one hand I do believe that story probably gave scum cover roles and I liked the case against him before. Also if we lynch him we can learn a little bit about Oy! On the other, I am getting a bad feeling about his lynch and the way he is going down. It feels townie to me. I almost unvoted him this post but I am not totally ready to go that way yet. I have a couple of threads I want to check on first before I decide if this is the way I am going to land toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/923 "2010-10-08T15:58:21Z")
My issue is that I think a VT could honestly ask if there’s a game in which vanilla roles are different, because if the only experience they’ve had is with games where they are the same, and they possess a vanilla role, then they’re going to guess that the person putting forth a different vanilla role is probably lying. ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_McGinty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6bbea6/32.png) [@Mrs\_McGinty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_McGinty)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/924 "2010-10-08T16:01:27Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Yes. It is one of a handfull of way to prevent a vanilla handshake. Apologies for my ignorance, but what is a ‘vanilla handshake’ (other than something that sad, middle-aged men buy for €30 in a certain district of Amsterdam)? > [@peekercpa](#): > > as much as i don’t like waffles in this game i don’t really know. and i have not played with **oy** before and i have no idea what the experience level is. but he/she appears to be looking for any edge so the fact that he/she doesn’t know that **story** has a history of customizing everything, maybe it’s an honest question. As I recall, you’re still voting for me. Could you explain what it is that makes me your #1 suspect at this point? > [@NAF1138](#): > > Dammit, I have been going back and forth on whether or not I should say anything, but it would seem to be clear that Oy! isn’t vanilla town. Does everyone else read this post that way? Could you explain how you arrived at the decision to mention it? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/925 "2010-10-08T16:01:27Z")
That was incoherent. Sorry. Look at it this way. Let’s say Oy is VT. Oy has his(?) role, and has not seen any others. Someone else posts a role that claims to be VT, but is different in color than Oy’s role. Oy has only seen games in which the VT color was identical. Oy therefore believes that the claimant is lying because the color is different, but asks the question to make sure before saying anything. Does that make more sense? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/926 "2010-10-08T16:08:03Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > > They might not even have day talk, and in that case it’s even more iffy; > > FWIW, I’m pretty sure the rules post implies that they DO have day talk. The rules say you can post any time anywhere. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/927 "2010-10-08T16:09:52Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > > [@Oy](#): > > > > Can anyone tell me if they have played a game where vanilla town roles had individual color? I’ve never seen one. > > Dammit, I have been going back and forth on whether or not I should say anything, but it would seem to be clear that Oy! isn’t vanilla town. Does everyone else read this post that way? Yes, this appears to be true ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/928 "2010-10-08T16:10:52Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > And vice-versa, there’s no way in any case that story is going to provide scum with fake vanilla claim that doesn’t actually look like a real vanilla claim. > > I hate to say it, but I do think the claim might be genuine. Simply because I don’t see the value for Scum in such a weak claim. Vanilla isn’t a role that we’re going to be thrown into a panic over. He’s not pushing for us to unvote him. But if we don’t, what’s the point in burning a fake claim? They only have value if they actually stop you from being lynched, and this claim seems particularly unlikely to achieve that goal. it does make sense for a Scum who doesn’t want to use up a claim that might come in handy later for someone else on the Scum team. Someone who might have a better chance of wiggling out of the noose. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/929 "2010-10-08T16:11:48Z")
The only games I’ve ever seen, including Evil Dead 1, had standardized vanilla roles. It was an honest question, raised by the fact that **Oredigger** ’s role is not the same as mine. I do not and have never thought he was Scum, but I have to allow for the possibility that this is in fact a cover provided by **Story** as well as what I consider the likelihood that it is in fact an actual vanilla role. Either way, it’s different from mine, and since I’d never seen differing vanilla roles, I was surprised and wanted an idea of how plausible it was. From what you all are saying, it’s not uncommon, so there goes the thought that this is in any way confirmed as a cover role. I was out at the store; sorry I didn’t answer sooner. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/930 "2010-10-08T16:13:28Z")
> [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > Could you explain how you arrived at the decision to mention it? Sure. 1. I figured if Oy! wasn’t scum (and I am leaning that way) scum would likely have noticed. I know as scum that is exactly the type of post I watch for (see my post earlier in the thread about power roles broadcasting their status. That’s one of the types of post I was talking about). My rule of thumb is generally, if I saw it scum probably saw it too. We can minimize that damage by getting the information out in the open and talking about it. 2. I am leaning town on Oy!, but I am not convinced enough to not believe it wasn’t possibly a scum slip and I wanted to see what other people had to say so I could help make up my mind. A lot of my choices in the game are informed by how other people react to new information. 3. The other reason I almost held back was I was concerned that this topic of conversation might expose town power roles or vanillas, but I ultimately decided that we all need to take care to not expose ourselves and that I shouldn’t shy away from topics because I am afraid others can’t prevent themselves from accidentally being exposed or giving away more information than they want to. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/931 "2010-10-08T16:14:06Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > Well. I can’t say I much like Oredigger’s no-lynch vote, but it still doesn’t read to me as scum. > > As for Oredigger’s willingness to fall on the sword, I think the reasoning is that if we lynch someone else, Oredigger will just go on the block again toMorrow and we’ll have to go through the whole rigamarole again. > > Blah. I’ve got a short list of people that I’m pretty sure AREN’T scum, but I still can’t decide on who to vote for. I’ll be back after another review of the Day. This just rings scummy to me. it’s yet another example of “oh, I can’t seem to find anyone Scummy” ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/932 "2010-10-08T16:14:48Z")
[Player list](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12980470&postcount=109) [Rules](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12980521&postcount=111) [Necronomicon ex Mortis](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12986410&postcount=293) (and vanilla PM in next post) [Day One](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12987058#post12987058) Claims: **Romanic** - Town Hitchhiker (special) - [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12992139&postcount=580), [exit post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12995877&postcount=714) Oredigger77 - Pharmaceutical Sales Representative (vanilla) - [claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13003276&postcount=898) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/933 "2010-10-08T16:15:31Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > The only games I’ve ever seen, including Evil Dead 1, had standardized vanilla roles. It was an honest question, raised by the fact that **Oredigger** ’s role is not the same as mine. I do not and have never thought he was Scum, but I have to allow for the possibility that this is in fact a cover provided by **Story** as well as what I consider the likelihood that it is in fact an actual vanilla role. Either way, it’s different from mine, and since I’d never seen differing vanilla roles, I was surprised and wanted an idea of how plausible it was. From what you all are saying, it’s not uncommon, so there goes the thought that this is in any way confirmed as a cover role. > > I was out at the store; sorry I didn’t answer sooner. So you are claiming Vanilla then? Think carefully before answering. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/934 "2010-10-08T16:16:55Z")
> [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > > [@NAF1138](#): > > > > Yes. It is one of a handfull of way to prevent a vanilla handshake. > > Apologies for my ignorance, but what is a ‘vanilla handshake’ (other than something that sad, middle-aged men buy for €30 in a certain district of Amsterdam)? Oh, I’m still catching up. I hope someone has already answered this without making me look like too much of an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/935 "2010-10-08T16:17:55Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > The only games I’ve ever seen, including Evil Dead 1, had standardized vanilla roles. It was an honest question, raised by the fact that **Oredigger** ’s role is not the same as mine. I do not and have never thought he was Scum, but I have to allow for the possibility that this is in fact a cover provided by **Story** as well as what I consider the likelihood that it is in fact an actual vanilla role. Either way, it’s different from mine, and since I’d never seen differing vanilla roles, I was surprised and wanted an idea of how plausible it was. From what you all are saying, it’s not uncommon, so there goes the thought that this is in any way confirmed as a cover role. > > I was out at the store; sorry I didn’t answer sooner. are you claiming vanilla then? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/936 "2010-10-08T16:18:55Z")
> [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > > [@NAF1138](#): > > > > Yes. It is one of a handfull of way to prevent a vanilla handshake. > > Apologies for my ignorance, but what is a ‘vanilla handshake’ (other than something that sad, middle-aged men buy for €30 in a certain district of Amsterdam)? The short answer is that if the game isn’t constructed carefully, vanilla town can break the game by confirming bits of their role PM with each other in semi secret, creating what is potentially a very large pool of confirmed town very early in the game. One way to prevent that is to post a vanilla PM to that the whole game has access to the same information, another is to make every PM unique. Story seems to be using a combination of the two as advertised by the fact that the sample PM lists Iceman as the player and I doubt that all the vanilla in this game are actually Iceman. ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/937 "2010-10-08T16:20:00Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > So what did my reaction tell you? Nothing. That’s why I moved on. > [@](#): > > How exactly did it out scum previously? I’m having trouble seeing how anyone can overreact on a random vote (on the low posters) because it simply based on flip of the coin. In Harry Potter, my prod votes were largely ignored until about 3 votes in, when someone I wasn’t even voting for suddenly started reacting and calling me out. That person turned out to be scum. In my experience, the person who reacts most strongly to my prod votes has a higher chance of being scum. > [@](#): > > Perhaps you mean for voting in return for placing a random vote? Did **Romanic** overreact (the only other one who commented on it it think)? No, Romanic’s vote seemed like a normal reaction. Here’s the theory: I know I’m town. **Scum** know I’m town. If my prod votes happen to land on a scum, it is not uncommon for either that scum or another scum to panic and try to fix the situation. (this isn’t the optimal move for scum, of course, but you can never give credit for perfect play.) So they try to discredit me. But they don’t want to vote for me first, since when I flip town (and remember, scum knows I’ll flip town.) that would put a bullseye on them. Which usually means calling me out, but _not voting for me._ Which, hey, is exactly what Rysto did, which is why my vote stayed on him as long as it did. FTR, the more I review, the more persuaded I am that Rysto is not scum. In particular, he was instrumental in the arguments for Roman to walk early, when convincing him to stay and be lynched would have been a big advantage for scum. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/938 "2010-10-08T16:21:49Z")
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**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/939 "2010-10-08T16:22:16Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > This just rings scummy to me. > > it’s yet another example of “oh, I can’t seem to find anyone Scummy” Yeah, yeah, I always ring scummy to you. It’s Day one. I’m still looking, and I’m talking out loud as I do it. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/940 "2010-10-08T16:23:21Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Does that make more sense? It does and it seems to be what Oy is claiming. The fact of the sample PM makes this claim a bit sticky though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=48)