# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1061 "2010-10-09T19:33:25Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > > [@MHaye](#): > > > > Oh, and Day _is_ over. It ended at 8pm (just under 25 minutes ago.) > > Crap! > I mess up timezone - again! It’s OK, your vote will still be there toMorrow 🙂 There’s no restriction on when we can vote ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1062 "2010-10-09T19:40:20Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Stanislaus](#): > > > > OK, > > > > **unvote NAF** > > > > What I thought I saw hasn’t, on further inspection, turned out to be there. Which annoys the hell out of me because now I need a new case and have very little time. > > > > **vote Telcontar** > > > > I agree that his case against NAF looks very opportunistic - trying to make him a scapegoat. > > > > MHaye - do you think third-parties have been given cover roles? > > Did I overlook any comments you made on the Oredigger case? > > I’ll go back and check. OK, I did go back and look. And here’s what I uncovered which puzzles me a little bit. 1. You comment on the fact that the case against Oredigger looks good. (post 889) 2. You accuse NAF of trying to get the bandwagon started again on Oredigger (post 889 and other posts after that) 3. You vote for NAF (post 890) So, at this point, you think there is a case against Oredigger, and you’ve voted for NAF for trying to get attention back onto Oredigger. 4, You vote for Telecontar for creating a case against NAF Now, this is all good and well, but you were voting for NAF and dismiss your own case with, “What I thought I saw hasn’t, on further inspection, turned out to be there.” Have I summarized well? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1063 "2010-10-09T19:59:02Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > > > Crap! > > I mess up timezone - again! > > It’s OK, your vote will still be there toMorrow 🙂 > > There’s no restriction on when we can vote I know - still would have liked to have made it in time. I know it might seem silly but I like having a vote at the end of Day. It’s more to do with spirit of the game than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1064 "2010-10-09T20:39:46Z")
folks crap. i’m out right now, posting from a mobile phone, and i think i have to detour to pick up my daughter on the way home. the day will end sometime before i go to bed tonight, but i ask your patience because it might take a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1065 "2010-10-09T21:12:29Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Did I overlook any comments you made on the Oredigger case? > > > > I’ll go back and check. > > OK, I did go back and look. > > And here’s what I uncovered which puzzles me a little bit. > > 1. You comment on the fact that the case against Oredigger looks good. (post 889) > 2. You accuse NAF of trying to get the bandwagon started again on Oredigger (post 889 and other posts after that) > 3. You vote for NAF (post 890) > > So, at this point, you think there is a case against Oredigger, and you’ve voted for NAF for trying to get attention back onto Oredigger. > > 4, You vote for Telecontar for creating a case against NAF > > Now, this is all good and well, but you were voting for NAF and dismiss your own case with, “What I thought I saw hasn’t, on further inspection, turned out to be there.” > Have I summarized well? No, you have summarised poorly. For a start, you completely missed this post, which is almost entirely a comment on the Oredigger case. (Post 913). > [@Stanislaus](#): > > And vice-versa, there’s no way in any case that story is going to provide scum with fake vanilla claim that doesn’t actually look like a real vanilla claim. > > I hate to say it, but I do think the claim might be genuine. Simply because I don’t see the value for Scum in such a weak claim. Vanilla isn’t a role that we’re going to be thrown into a panic over. He’s not pushing for us to unvote him. But if we don’t, what’s the point in burning a fake claim? They only have value if they actually stop you from being lynched, and this claim seems particularly unlikely to achieve that goal. Which is odd, because you replied to this post yourself, in [post 928](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13003945&postcount=928). Then I replied to you in [post 942](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13004058&postcount=942). Obviously not very memorably. Secondly, you seem to be saying that if I’ve ever voted for NAF, I can’t then vote for anyone based on their voting for NAF. This misses three points: 1. I was of course unvoting NAF, thus making a belief that Telcontar had faked a case against him completely consistent with my beliefs about NAF’s scumminess. 2. Bussing 3. Telcontar’s cases and mine were completely different. Of course I can vote for NAF for one set of reasons, yet find someone else’s reasons for voting the same person suspect. As to why I unvoted NAF - in his earlier posts, I thought I’d detected a certain level of defensiveness: he unloaded with both barrels when Oy! voted for him, and he seemed to read a lot into a smiley in one of Mahaloth’s posts. I find unwarranted defensiveness to be scum tell, so I voted for him (based on other stuff I thought was suspicious) to see how he’d react. He wasn’t overly defensive. Plus, as I think Drain Bead said, if he were scum he could just as easily have sat on Oy!'s slip and killed her off. So I tended to think him less scummy. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1066 "2010-10-09T22:00:39Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > OK, I did go back and look. > > > > And here’s what I uncovered which puzzles me a little bit. > > > > 1. You comment on the fact that the case against Oredigger looks good. (post 889) > > 2. You accuse NAF of trying to get the bandwagon started again on Oredigger (post 889 and other posts after that) > > 3. You vote for NAF (post 890) > > > > So, at this point, you think there is a case against Oredigger, and you’ve voted for NAF for trying to get attention back onto Oredigger. > > > > 4, You vote for Telecontar for creating a case against NAF > > > > Now, this is all good and well, but you were voting for NAF and dismiss your own case with, “What I thought I saw hasn’t, on further inspection, turned out to be there.” > > Have I summarized well? > > No, you have summarised poorly. > > For a start, you completely missed this post, which is almost entirely a comment on the Oredigger case. (Post 913). > > > [@Stanislaus](#): > > > > And vice-versa, there’s no way in any case that story is going to provide scum with fake vanilla claim that doesn’t actually look like a real vanilla claim. > > > > I hate to say it, but I do think the claim might be genuine. Simply because I don’t see the value for Scum in such a weak claim. Vanilla isn’t a role that we’re going to be thrown into a panic over. He’s not pushing for us to unvote him. But if we don’t, what’s the point in burning a fake claim? They only have value if they actually stop you from being lynched, and this claim seems particularly unlikely to achieve that goal. > > Which is odd, because you replied to this post yourself, in [post 928](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13003945&postcount=928). Then I replied to you in [post 942](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13004058&postcount=942). Obviously not very memorably. > Secondly, you seem to be saying that if I’ve ever voted for NAF, I can’t then vote for anyone based on their voting for NAF. This misses three points: > > 1. I was of course unvoting NAF, thus making a belief that Telcontar had faked a case against him completely consistent with my beliefs about NAF’s scumminess. > 2. Bussing > 3. Telcontar’s cases and mine were completely different. Of course I can vote for NAF for one set of reasons, yet find someone else’s reasons for voting the same person suspect. > As to why I unvoted NAF - in his earlier posts, I thought I’d detected a certain level of defensiveness: he unloaded with both barrels when Oy! voted for him, and he seemed to read a lot into a smiley in one of Mahaloth’s posts. I find unwarranted defensiveness to be scum tell, so I voted for him (based on other stuff I thought was suspicious) to see how he’d react. He wasn’t overly defensive. Plus, as I think Drain Bead said, if he were scum he could just as easily have sat on Oy!'s slip and killed her off. So I tended to think him less scummy. Yes, apparently it wasn’t very memorable for me. Honestly, the only thing I remembered was calling you Santa Slaw at some point. So, at this point, what are your feelings on Oredigger. BEcause you have stated that you see the case against him, but you’ve voted for NAF and then Telecontar. It is fully reasonable that you can think those cases are (or in the case of NAF are no longer) stronger. That said, you think NAF was initially overly defensive, but then not when you voted him? So sometimes-defensiveness isn’t a Scum tell? Did it matter that by then, Oredigger had taken a commanding lead and NAF was in no danger of being lynched? That might make anyone a little less defensive, dont you think? As to a Scum NAF being able to sit on the OY information and NK her, that’s unreasonable. Many of us noticed it immediately upon reading it. A Scum NAF would have had to thought a protector would notice. Also, a Scum NAF could maybe get some Townie Cred by pointing it out as he did. (You’ve certainly given him Twnie cred for it) _Disclaimer_ I have no knowledge of NAF’s alignment. Also, in the post that you point out (913) where you say Oredigger’s claim looks good, conflicts strongly with 889, but it makes sense to me, as Oredigger did claim in between those posts. That didn’t fully register for me earlier. PS of course you can unvote someone and vote for someone who is voting them, but certainly I’m allowed to question you on that. ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1067 "2010-10-09T23:20:19Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > And would still like to know why he asked Oy! about her ability to use more than one action each Night. I was just curious. If Oy could use more than one ability during the Night, she might want to burn them all while she still has the chance. ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_McGinty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6bbea6/32.png) [@Mrs\_McGinty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_McGinty)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1068 "2010-10-09T23:25:44Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > poorly reasoned arguments are not a Scum tell for peeker. They’re just a playstyle. He has his fair share of reasoning that no one else understands Town or Scum. If he gave some reasons - understandable or otherwise - I might cut him a little slack. It’s the weaseling I find scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1069 "2010-10-09T23:26:05Z")
Well, I seem to have made it back before Nightfall after all…sort of… I’ve just given a quick read to the last couple days’ posts so far. I’ll need to go back and give a closer read now that I’m up to speed on the proceedings. I don’t have anything to add at the moment; I just wanted to mention that I’m back in town. I’ll try to be back later this evening with something more substantial. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1070 "2010-10-09T23:32:38Z")
> [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > poorly reasoned arguments are not a Scum tell for peeker. They’re just a playstyle. He has his fair share of reasoning that no one else understands Town or Scum. > > If he gave some reasons - understandable or otherwise - I might cut him a little slack. It’s the weaseling I find scummy. Quite understandable. I’d suggest reading Lord of the Rings, where peeker voted for people for reasons most of us still don’t understand. He was Vanilla. Or Colorless, where he was a Vig and could have won the game by killing unconfirmed players, but took out some confirmed Town instead on the hopes that they were a godfather. What strikes me as odd in this game is that he’s not flooding the thread with posts and gibberish and things that make no sense. That’s what helped me to catch him in NSFW Mafia. I’m very interested to hear what peeker has to say for himself ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1071 "2010-10-09T23:33:59Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > > > And would still like to know why he asked Oy! about her ability to use more than one action each Night. > > I was just curious. If Oy could use more than one ability during the Night, she might want to burn them all while she still has the chance. I can understand curiosity. However, the other comment is a little dubious, You could have made the recommendation without actually asking. ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_McGinty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6bbea6/32.png) [@Mrs\_McGinty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_McGinty)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1072 "2010-10-09T23:35:00Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m very interested to hear what peeker has to say for himself That makes two of us. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1073 "2010-10-09T23:35:45Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > > > And would still like to know why he asked Oy! about her ability to use more than one action each Night. > > I was just curious. If Oy could use more than one ability during the Night, she might want to burn them all while she still has the chance. And it never entered your mind that Scum/PFKs or other nasty creatures would wonder as well? I understand curious - I once meet a guy named George that was very curious… But how do you feel about all the fishing-talk that’s been going on today? Also - and this is not just directed at you - am I the only one that think there is a difference between saying: “Hey - here’s an idea. We need to share info to get it to work - but I think it might be worth that” and “Well, tell me all about your role and please don’t leave any info out” (yeah, okay - I might have overdone the examples a bit to prove my point). What I mean to say is: I think the use of “fishing” is a bit vague to me. I always thought “fishing” was when a player was asking another player to reveal info regarding their role. But earlier this Day I was said to be fishing when - IMO (and I might be bias) - I was putting forth an idea. A way to approach the game. So to ME I wasn’t fishing - because I asked us to discuss an idea. Not a PM or a Role or a Claim. Now I see a couple of players in this game didn’t feel that way - but I’d like the question out here anyway. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1074 "2010-10-09T23:38:51Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > What I mean to say is: > I think the use of “fishing” is a bit vague to me. I always thought “fishing” was when a player was asking another player to reveal info regarding their role. > But earlier this Day I was said to be fishing when - IMO (and I might be bias) - I was putting forth an idea. A way to approach the game. > So to ME I wasn’t fishing - because I asked us to discuss an idea. Not a PM or a Role or a Claim. > > Now I see a couple of players in this game didn’t feel that way - but I’d like the question out here anyway. But your idea was for everyone to reveal stuff about themselves… PS, I beat you to it with the curiosity thing 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1075 "2010-10-09T23:45:36Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > > > What I mean to say is: > > I think the use of “fishing” is a bit vague to me. I always thought “fishing” was when a player was asking another player to reveal info regarding their role. > > But earlier this Day I was said to be fishing when - IMO (and I might be bias) - I was putting forth an idea. A way to approach the game. > > So to ME I wasn’t fishing - because I asked us to discuss an idea. Not a PM or a Role or a Claim. > > > > Now I see a couple of players in this game didn’t feel that way - but I’d like the question out here anyway. > > But your idea was for everyone to reveal stuff about themselves… > > PS, I beat you to it with the curiosity thing 🙂 I saw that (about the curiosity) and I’ll practise to type faster 😉 My idea didn’t lure anyone into doing anything - which (again maybe I’m not getting it right) I understand fishing is all about. Guess maybe the theme is used in a lot of ways… ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1076 "2010-10-09T23:53:56Z")
> [@Total\_Lost](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > But your idea was for everyone to reveal stuff about themselves… > > > > PS, I beat you to it with the curiosity thing 🙂 > > I saw that (about the curiosity) and I’ll practise to type faster 😉 > > My idea didn’t lure anyone into doing anything - which (again maybe I’m not getting it right) I understand fishing is all about. > Guess maybe the theme is used in a lot of ways… Just because you go fishing doesn’t mean you have to catch something. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1077 "2010-10-10T01:41:47Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > folks > > crap. i’m out right now, posting from a mobile phone, and i think i have to detour to pick up my daughter on the way home. the day will end sometime before i go to bed tonight, but i ask your patience because it might take a bit. Vote Storyteller! Come on! The suspense is killing me!!! ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1078 "2010-10-10T01:58:41Z")
Neta… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1079 "2010-10-10T02:07:17Z")
**INT - THE CABIN LIVING ROOM** _The group is gathered around the table. **Oredigger77** is conspicuously absent, along with a few random extras. From outside, we hear the steady hum of the woodchipper._ RANDOM EXTRA 1 (from Off) Talk, Oredigger! Tell us everything! OREDIGGER No! Not the wood chipper! Anything but that! RANDOM EXTRA 2 (from Off) Tell us what you know and maybe we’ll let you go! OREDIGGER77 All right! All right! I confess! Twice in the last month alone, I encouraged private practice physicians to use a dangerous hypertension medication off-label! And I gave one of them a pen! With our company logo on it! All right… it was an iPod, not a pen! I’m a bad, bad man! Not the woodchipper! _His cries turn into shrieks of horror. We hear the crunch of grinding bone, and the goopy sound of rending flesh. Strangely, Oredigger’s cries are somewhat muted._ SPECIAL ED He feels no pain! He’s a Deadite. I knew it! OREDIGGER77 (From Off) No, it’s just the Zoloft I took a few hours agooooooooooo… _And there is silence. The group regards one another._ MRS. MCGINTY Damn. CHIPACABRA (After a pause) Anyone want a beer? **Oredigger77** , The Pharmaceutical Sales Representative, who was Town (Vanilla), has been lynched. * * * Thus begins Night One, which will end at 3:00PM on Monday, October 11. Please submit all Night actions by this time. Dusk PMs will begin going out immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1080 "2010-10-10T02:40:16Z")
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