# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1361 "2010-10-13T00:02:56Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > > [@NAF1138](#): > > > > I’m happy to vote Peeker. That \*is \*a damning case. > > Am I missing something, or is the only way that this could be a damning case is if **peeker** heard _ **NAF** _ say that he lost the book on the scum board? My thinking is that Peek is the one who took the book, or knows who did. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1362 "2010-10-13T00:04:23Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Peeker seemed to know NAF had lost it. Yes, but when he slipped(assuming that was indeed a slip) he specifically said that he’d heard it from NAF. It seems very strange to me that he would have phrased it that way unless he _had_ heard it from NAF. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1363 "2010-10-13T00:06:23Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Peeker seemed to know NAF had lost it. > > Yes, but when he slipped(assuming that was indeed a slip) he specifically said that he’d heard it from NAF. It seems very strange to me that he would have phrased it that way unless he _had_ heard it from NAF. That’s a good point. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1364 "2010-10-13T00:08:36Z")
I’m with **Rysto** there–the case against **peeker** necessarily involves a case against **NAF** as well. If **NAF** comes up Scum, I’d be voting for **peeker** next, and vice-versa. If **NAF** is Scum, I trust that there is a book-thief out there–otherwise, why would he have told the Scum board he lost it? I can see the thief being third-party, perhaps, or maybe even a very interesting Town role. If anyone would do it, it’s **story** –he’s one of the most creative role designers I’ve ever encountered. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1365 "2010-10-13T00:13:27Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > (except that, if NAF were scum and lost the book, who the hell has it now?) Jesus, I need to go back to remedial mafia school. Assuming that NAF is scum, there are two really obvious options here: Option 1) NAF gave the book to a scum buddy. NAF: “Ok, I no longer have the book. Scum X, you should have a package waiting for you.” Option 2) NAF’s lying about not having the book, and told the scum what his plan was. NAF: “Guys, I’m going to tell the town that I lost the book overnight. That ought to stump them.” I’m not saying this is definitely what happened. But we definitely should be hung up over this point, given that our only knowledge of the situation comes from NAF. If he’s scum, we can’t trust anything he says. Seems obvious, but I just fell into that trap and on preview a couple of other people did too. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1366 "2010-10-13T00:15:01Z")
Holy shit, that is a good case. Peeker? Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1367 "2010-10-13T00:19:57Z")
**Vote: Peeker** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1368 "2010-10-13T00:21:40Z")
Option 3) **NAF** is telling the truth about losing the book, and likely has no clue who he lost it to. That seems to be _the entire crux of the case against both he and **peeker** _, after all, that **NAF** told the Scum board he’d lost the book before he’d told the game thread. If **NAF** and **peeker** are Scum, the whole case is predicated on the fact that **NAF** did, in fact, lose the book. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1369 "2010-10-13T00:22:26Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’m with **Rysto** there–the case against **peeker** necessarily involves a case against **NAF** as well. If **NAF** comes up Scum, I’d be voting for **peeker** next, and vice-versa. > > If **NAF** is Scum, I trust that there is a book-thief out there–otherwise, why would he have told the Scum board he lost it? I can see the thief being third-party, perhaps, or maybe even a very interesting Town role. If anyone would do it, it’s **story** –he’s one of the most creative role designers I’ve ever encountered. I know you aren’t going to believe me, but the vice versa doesn’t work. I’m not scum. Doesn’t mean that peek isn’t the one who took the book. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1370 "2010-10-13T00:27:18Z")
But here’s the thing, **NAF**. If **peeker** says that he swore he saw you saying that you’d lost the book, _where did he hear it_? Because it sure wasn’t in here. Trying to explain that by saying that **peeker** has the book doesn’t work, because **peeker** specifically said he heard about the lost book from you. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1371 "2010-10-13T00:29:22Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > But here’s the thing, **NAF**. If **peeker** says that he swore he saw you saying that you’d lost the book, _where did he hear it_? Because it sure wasn’t in here. Trying to explain that by saying that **peeker** has the book doesn’t work, because **peeker** specifically said he heard about the lost book from you. Two things. 1. He said he saw me saying I lost the book in the middle of the Night. What action resolves mid Night? 2. It is after this that I propose my plan to use the book on myself. Why the hell would I go through all the trouble of laying out a whole elaborate plan for a book I no longer had? What sense does that make? I do strange things sometimes, but I am not actually crazy. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1372 "2010-10-13T00:30:35Z")
To elaborate further on point 1 in my last post. I would have needed to have lost the book at the end of the Day in order for that to make sense, because no moderator in their right mind has actions resolving in the middle of a Night cycle. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1373 "2010-10-13T00:32:03Z")
i swear to goodness that i don’t have the book. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1374 "2010-10-13T00:48:26Z")
I’m not as concerned about the ‘slip’ itself because that could certainly be pretty innocuous. What I’m worried about is that he’s changed the post he says he was referencing in the ‘slip’. If it was a mis-interpretation of something \*\*Idle \*\*said, why come back much later and say it was a mis-interpretation of what \*\*NAF \*\*said? Not to mention the fact that him saying “whoops i guess it was idle.” came all of 17 minutes after the ‘slip’. You’d think he would know what he’d read at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1375 "2010-10-13T00:58:58Z")
That’s it, peek? **Vote peeker** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1376 "2010-10-13T01:07:01Z")
I’m comfortable switching my vote, with the caveat that I believe BOTH of them to be Scum at this point. But I think everyone knows that, so my switching means little other than getting my suspicions out on record. **unvote NAF vote peeker** ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1377 "2010-10-13T01:15:57Z")
**Vote peeker** still not sure what it may or may not say about NAF if peeker ends up dead and not Town. Care to refresh the narrative of what was going through your head, Peeker? You have a rapt audience. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1378 "2010-10-13T01:16:14Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’m comfortable switching my vote, with the caveat that I believe BOTH of them to be Scum at this point. But I think everyone knows that, so my switching means little other than getting my suspicions out on record. > > **unvote NAF > vote peeker** I’m getting the feeling that you’re trying to leave us with the impression that you’re suspicious of both NAF and peeker. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1379 "2010-10-13T01:17:03Z")
**Unvote Drain** **Vote Peeker** ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1380 "2010-10-13T01:48:51Z")
So, I’m watching bandwagon number 3 of this game leave the station and that bothers me. A good case is posted, like 10 people vote immediately without adding analysis. his didn’t work out well for us the last two times, so lets push this one a bit: 1.) Peeker says during night 1 that he thinks NAF said he no longer has the book 2.) At that point, NAF still had the book Right? I watching harry potter with my girlfriend and she is giving me an impatient look, so I’m not going to double check. So peeker either 1.) Knew that NAF would lose the book at dawn and was so confident in that knowledge that he forgot it hadn’t already happened. Given the number of power roles likely in this game, this is only really plausible if NAF was also scum. I’m thinking blockers, protectors, the book itself, etc. 2.) Misspoke. The latter seems more plausible, though peeker seems to have his tail between his legs right now, which counts against him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=70)