# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1421 "2010-10-13T17:26:31Z")
If it helps more let me rephrase a bit from that last post. [quote=me but better] This is why I am positive that DB, for example, isn’t vanilla town and it is also why I am fairly sure that peek isn’t. The only sticking point is that peek may just not have been paying attention to what way going on. Going by the way that post was phrased and some of his other play in the game, that is a real possibility. That said, I still lean heavily toward not vanilla town for peek rather than not paying attention, but it’s less of a slam dunk with peek than with others. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1422 "2010-10-13T17:27:53Z")
Stupid quote tags > [@me but better](#): > > This is why I am positive that DB, for example, isn’t vanilla town and it is also why I am fairly sure that peek isn’t. The only sticking point is that peek may just not have been paying attention to what way going on. Going by the way that post was phrased and some of his other play in the game, that is a real possibility. That said, I still lean heavily toward not vanilla town for peek rather than not paying attention, but it’s less of a slam dunk with peek than with others. Hazards of posting from work. I have to dash off most of my thoughts more quickly than is probably good for me. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1423 "2010-10-13T17:29:15Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > I’m a bit alarmed by how quickly this case has taken off. It may be just because Diver laid it out in a clear and easy to follow manner, but we went from relatively sparse voting to a full on bandwagon pretty quickly. More to the point, I’m not convinced that the initial slip/lie/PIS is anything other than thoughtless play. Frankly, I’m a bit surprised too. My review of the purported slip showed an inconsistency which I felt warrented a vote, but I’m taken aback by the number of people who jumped on so quickly. I think regardless of whether peeker flips Scum or not, we’re looking at some opportunistic voting here. > [@Stanislaus](#): > > OK, NAF has said that peeker’s response to Oy!'s outing marked him as non-vanilla in his eyes. Given that peeker has now claimed vanilla, I wondered if there was anything in this. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1424 "2010-10-13T17:30:31Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I think that you guys are missing the rather critical point that peeker has changed his story on the matter. First he said that he had misinterpreted Idle’s post, but later on he said that he’d misinterpreted one of NAF’s posts. That, to me, is the critical part of the case. One of those two statements cannot be true. True, one of those statements must be false. But that does not necessarily imply that peeker lied. It could have been an ‘honest’ mistake. If it was a lie, then he ought to be strung up. If it was a mistake, it’s a null tell. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1425 "2010-10-13T17:38:18Z")
I am also suspicious of the change in \*\*peeker’s \*\*typical posting style and his lack of defense. On a related note: **peeker** , can you post your role PM? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1426 "2010-10-13T17:42:16Z")
Can we see your role PM, peeker? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1427 "2010-10-13T17:42:44Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > If someone thinks that what Oy! posted was an innocent question then they did not receive a vanilla PM or they were really really really not paying attention to the context of what was going on in the game. > > Peeker falls into the catagory of people who stated that they thought that a vanilla townie could have wondered if vanilla town wasn’t generic. So he is either not vanilla town or he has not been paying any attention at all. \ ok, not to get too hot under the collar but this is the the type of post that makes me get fucking pissed. i have never played with **oy** before (at least as far as i know). it seemed like she asked an innocent question. i merely replied with what i consider to be our mod’s modus operandi. that is that based on my experience with story that not all pm’s will necessarily be constructed identically. so one niller townie pm does not equal another niller townie pm. capiche. jeebus last time i fucking try to help a newb. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1428 "2010-10-13T17:44:55Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@NAF1138](#): > > > > If someone thinks that what Oy! posted was an innocent question then they did not receive a vanilla PM or they were really really really not paying attention to the context of what was going on in the game. > > > > Peeker falls into the catagory of people who stated that they thought that a vanilla townie could have wondered if vanilla town wasn’t generic. So he is either not vanilla town or he has not been paying any attention at all. > > \ > > ok, not to get too hot under the collar but this is the the type of post that makes me get fucking pissed. > > i have never played with **oy** before (at least as far as i know). it seemed like she asked an innocent question. i merely replied with what i consider to be our mod’s modus operandi. that is that based on my experience with story that not all pm’s will necessarily be constructed identically. so one niller townie pm does not equal another niller townie pm. capiche. > > jeebus last time i fucking try to help a newb. Love you too peek. But really, if you had a niller town PM why would you possibly think that Oy! would ever have not understood that they weren’t all the same. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1429 "2010-10-13T17:49:04Z")
So why do you think it’s more likely that **peeker** wasn’t paying attention? My position has _never_ been that it’s possible for your average experienced VT to misread that–my position has been that it’s possible for a vanilla _newbie_ to have said what **Oy!** did. Again, I myself would not have asked that question, but I can see how someone who has never played and who has never followed a game without a standardized VT role PM might ask that question, in an attempt to see if it’s _possible_ that someone might have a VT PM that conflicts with their own. This position has _nothing_ to do with the role that **I** got, because it has nothing to do with my own reading of the situation–it has to do with **Oy!** and her question. I think **NAF** ’s issue here is trying to impart my idea of what **Oy!** might have been doing onto my own gameplay, and using that to extrapolate what my role might have been. I might as well be saying “Well, **NAF** , by making this argument you must be claiming VT, because only someone who had the information of their own vanilla role would be taking your position.” ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1430 "2010-10-13T17:58:45Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Love you too peek. But really, if you had a niller town PM why would you possibly think that Oy! would ever have not understood that they weren’t all the same. Because **Oy!** is a newbie, and wasn’t aware that there are games in which they are different? If, by some strange twist of fate, **peeker** turns out to be vanilla (just in case **ed** isn’t certain of my opinion, I think you’re both Scum), will you maybe change your mind about me? Because remember, I wasn’t saying anything about what **I** thought–I was saying what I thought **Oy!** might be thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1431 "2010-10-13T17:59:15Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Also idle’s continued defense of himself is “I changed my mind, so what” which i find less then persuasive. Wrong. It’s not that I changed my mind, it’s NAF stopped doing what I found suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1432 "2010-10-13T18:00:36Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > > (snip irrelevant) > > > > Regarding the rest – > > > > 1. I categorically reject the idea that I might have been attacked to lend support to my arguments against any of the four named players. Scum in that case would be better off leaving me alive to follow up on my misguided ideas, so that they themselves do not have to expose themselves by promoting the concept. In all my times playing scum, I have never killed anyone to frame another in such a manner in a situation/game like this, nor have I had a teammate suggest it. It’s not plausible as a motivation. > > 2. Town vig? For real? Would have to be the most oddball vig in existence, then. I think neither MHaye nor I were vig kills/attempts. > > 3. Good player? Sure. Or whoever attacked me might have chucked darts at a dartboard for all I know. That’s why it’s only a small mark against the four. I can’t be sure. But I refuse to ignore it and pretend it’s not there. > > > > This is no smudge. Your post, on the other hand, looks like one big attempt to discredit me and/or my logic regarding the four named players. > > > > (more snip) > > 1. How can you be so sure? It seems like your response here is that “scum would never do that” which I think we all know by now isn’t always valid. Whereas your response reads like “don’t even bother thinking about motivation, because scum might do anything”. Which is also invalid. Did you even think about what I said? There is no advantage to killing me to frame someone else that can’t be more safely accomplished by letting me live to pursue my suspicions myself. That means no good motive. I have also never seen such a thing be carried out or suggested in 10-20 games playing scum. That means no empirical evidence that scum might do such a thing either. That’s plenty good enough for me to be drawing conclusions on. > [@](#): > > 1. Why is it so outrageous that a vig would kill you or MHaye? Never seen an active player with no votes on them vigged on night one, either, especially not with so many other options available, starting with Chipacabra and ending with Omi no Kami. > [@](#): > > 1. If someone is “just throwing darts”, why would it not be the vig? Because vigs don’t throw darts. > [@](#): > > And yes, my post is an attempt to discredit you. That’s why I posted it in the first place. I think you are trying to use the (alleged) attempt on your life to further your cases against others. We do not even know if what you are telling us is true nor how you could even come to know that in the first place. Sorry, I’m rather liking my magic bag right at the moment. It goes well with my shoes. **unvote: Telcontar** **vote: lilflower** May as well. Suspicion of me is one thing, but not when coupled with an attack on my perfectly legitimate conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1433 "2010-10-13T18:01:33Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > \ > > > > ok, not to get too hot under the collar but this is the the type of post that makes me get fucking pissed. > > > > i have never played with **oy** before (at least as far as i know). it seemed like she asked an innocent question. i merely replied with what i consider to be our mod’s modus operandi. that is that based on my experience with story that not all pm’s will necessarily be constructed identically. so one niller townie pm does not equal another niller townie pm. capiche. > > > > jeebus last time i fucking try to help a newb. > > Love you too peek. But really, if you had a niller town PM why would you possibly think that Oy! would ever have not understood that they weren’t all the same. so you know them to not be constructed similarly? _blink_ i was merely trying to help what appeared to be a fucking newb on this board that seems to be all hot and bothered about finding clues that sometimes (more often than not) that the fucking mods (especially story) are not that fracking stupid. unless you are suggesting that you and **oy** have some knowledge that the rest of us don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1434 "2010-10-13T18:07:19Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > Also idle’s continued defense of himself is “I changed my mind, so what” which i find less then persuasive. > > Wrong. > It’s not that I changed my mind, it’s NAF stopped doing what I found suspicious. I think the issue that people are having with you is that there’s no good reason for you to have found his claim that the book was gone sufficient reason to discard your suspicion. Here’s a hypothetical: NAF is scum or otherwise non-Town. He gets the Book. He wants to keep the Book. But when he says so, he starts getting grief for that, including from you. So in the morning he says “whoops, Book is gone”! I think the properly consistent, paranoid-townie response to that is a sarcastic “well, heck, isn’t that convenient”. As opposed to how you actually did react. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1435 "2010-10-13T18:09:46Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Can we see your role PM, peeker? based on my last little conversation with **naf**. no fucking way. ain’t giving scum a blueprint for false claims. now for all i know they already have some, but maybe not. i am not doing any additional work for them on the odds that they are just fishing like mother fuckers at this point. they’ve got a townie in their sites and enough go alongs to get my ass lynched. sorry, no more help for them. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1436 "2010-10-13T18:14:37Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Because vigs don’t throw darts. \ and i don’t want to get accused of too much fluff but … typically i use rocket propelled grenades. just to maximize collateral damage, dontchaknow. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1437 "2010-10-13T18:15:54Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I think the issue that people are having with you is that there’s no good reason for you to have found his claim that the book was gone sufficient reason to discard your suspicion. I’ve already explained it a ton of times. Him having the book is fact…so, in turn, saying he’s going to keep it is, chances are, fact. Now he’s saying it’s gone. No matter if he’s telling the truth or lying…he’s not saying he’s going to be keeping it anymore. I already gave my own analogy. The analogy if you were voting for someone and I found your vote suspicious. If you stop voting for them (or even if you’re forced to stop voting for them against your will), my suspicions would slacken considerably. He’s saying it’s gone. He COULD be telling the truth. That’s my whole point. We don’t know. We don’t know who is telling the truth and who is lying. So I don’t find him suspicious right now any more than I find ANY of you overly suspicious. It’s a coin flip. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1438 "2010-10-13T18:15:59Z")
No role PM, peeker, really? I have issues with that. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1439 "2010-10-13T18:16:15Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > so you know them to not be constructed similarly? > > _blink_ > > i was merely trying to help what appeared to be a fucking newb on this board that seems to be all hot and bothered about finding clues that sometimes (more often than not) that the fucking mods (especially story) are not that fracking stupid. > > unless you are suggesting that you and **oy** have some knowledge that the rest of us don’t. Yeah. I can look at the available evidence that I have at my disposal and say that there is not a chance in hell all the PMs were constructed the same way. If you are unwilling to give up your PM then I have to conclude that you are scum Peek. The blueprint that you don’t want to hand out was given to us by Storyteller at the start of the game. We also have a PM posted by Oredigger that is claimed to be a Vanilla PM. You might have forgotten about it, but it was that PM that started the whole thing with Oy! in the first place. @DB, if peek turns out to be vanilla I will consider reconsidering my position on you. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1440 "2010-10-13T18:18:35Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > > I think the issue that people are having with you is that there’s no good reason for you to have found his claim that the book was gone sufficient reason to discard your suspicion. > > I’ve already explained it a ton of times. > Him having the book is fact…so, in turn, saying he’s going to keep it is, chances are, fact. > > Now he’s saying it’s gone. No matter if he’s telling the truth or lying…he’s not saying he’s going to be keeping it anymore. I know you did, but I do agree that the logic is lacking. You didn’t find him suspicious for an action, which can then be thought better of and taken back; you found him suspicious for an intent – that of keeping the Book. His intent never changed. There is a problem here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=73)