# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1601 "2010-10-15T15:42:25Z")
i’ve already claimed niller townie. i’ve further explained why i refuse to post my complete pm. as many have pointed out it wouldn’t change their vote anyways so why would i actively be helping scum by providing additional templates for them to create false claims, if in fact they haven’t been provided already? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1602 "2010-10-15T15:45:30Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > If we’re assuming both **Oy!** and\*\* Idle\*\* as town the small mirror would be excellent to be used on Idle - you would redirect any actions from him to you. If those actions include both a kill and a protect nothing would happen unless something similar to the white powder is used. I don’t know about excellent – if there is a kill and protect on Idle then nothing happens to Idle anyway, with or without use of the small mirror by Oy!. But it puts Oy at risk (instead of Idle) if no protection is forthcoming or the protection is blocked/bypassed in some fashion. I don’t know how Oy! feels about their relative use to the town. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1603 "2010-10-15T15:49:34Z")
and because his original post started this fracking nonsense. **unvote** **vote naf** ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1604 "2010-10-15T15:49:35Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Meanwhile, I’m okay with my current vote for **Plankton** because he completely ignored it. Yeah, I go the same treatment. It often works as a way of getting out of trouble, but is in itself a null tell. On Idle, I tend to believe his claim because a) it fits the pattern of his behaviour and b) he breadcrumbed. I don’t like that peeker hasn’t shared his PM. It might be just his idiosyncratic view of the game state, but there are no good reasons for avoiding it now. On balance, I think Plankton has been playing pretty pro-Town toDay. So I’m going to: \*\* unvote Suburban Plankton\*\* **vote peeker** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1605 "2010-10-15T15:50:35Z")
Peeks, if not for your refusal to post your PM, which is completely unfathomable to me, I might well have argued in your favor (successfully or not, I don’t know). To me, the only really decent rationale for a vote on you up to then was your uncharacteristic play – I don’t see the slip as such as particularly damning. But this? You can’t use people’s subsequent statements that they would be reluctant to change their votes as a reason for not doing the right thing in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1606 "2010-10-15T15:51:19Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i’ve already claimed niller townie. > > i’ve further explained why i refuse to post my complete pm. > > as many have pointed out it wouldn’t change their vote anyways so why would i actively be helping scum by providing additional templates for them to create false claims, if in fact they haven’t been provided already? Do you realize that many, if not most, people currently voting for you are doing so primarily because you won’t post your PM? It would, I think, change quite a few votes, assuming it’s plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1607 "2010-10-15T16:04:27Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > If we’re assuming both **Oy!** and\*\* Idle\*\* as town the small mirror would be excellent to be used on Idle - you would redirect any actions from him to you. If those actions include both a kill and a protect nothing would happen unless something similar to the white powder is used. > > Meanwhile, I’m okay with my current vote for **Plankton** because he completely ignored it. Yes, I did completely ignore your vote on me. I considered ignoring it some more now, but I figured it’s not going to hurt anything to take a couple of minutes to address it now… You seem to have voted for me for two reasons: [ul] [li]I was suspicious of NAF, but didn’t vote for him[/li][li]I said we should stop talking about the Book, but I hadn’t talked about anything but the Book all Day[/li][/ul] The first point can be explained very simply. I was suspicious of NAF, but not enough to vote him so early in the Day. As to the second point: You are correct. I had talked about pretty much nothing else all Day, just like everyone else. And it occurred to me that we might be focusing too much on one issue, so I mentioned that we should widen our scope. As it turned out, everyone (including me) continued to talk about the Book, and things related to the Book, for most of the Day. So it looks like everybody pretty much ignored my suggestion…oh well… Meanwhile, it looks like you’re made a grand total of 5 posts since you voted for me. I will quote them here in their entirety, because they won’t take up too much space: > [@Natlaw](#): > > For the **peeker** voters: why hasn’t this post been brought up? > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > neta: whoops i guess it was idle. > > Although peeker has now claimed another post as the source for his believe that NAF didn’t have the Book anymore. > > @ **Telcontar** : moderator reveals usually means the card flip in color (Dusk/Dawn/etc) posts. Investigation result aren’t reveals just information passed along by the moderator as result of the power use. **Storyteller** s comment just means we don’t have Death Millers or similar. > [@Natlaw](#): > > > [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > > > Sorry, I’m confused. I neither understand peeker’s post, nor why you find it significant. 😕 > > Because it means those voting peeker, like you, don’t seem to bother check the post peeker made themselves. > The full conversation: > > > [@](#): > > > > **Idle** : So someone new has the book anyway, now, right? I sure don’t. Anyone want to admit to having it? > > **Plankton** : I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. NAF said he hadn’t decided what, if anything, to do with it, and I haven’t seen anything that indicates he has made a choice yet. > > **Idle** : Buh? I thought it was automatically up for grabs at the start of each Day/Night cycle? > > **TexCat** : I presume this means that NAF still has it. \ > > **peeker** : uh, did i just like totally hallucinate naf saying he doesn’t have it anymore. > > **ed** : maybe you read it on the Scum board? > > **peeker** : neta: whoops i guess it was idle. > > **Idle** did someone else had the book so **peeker** ’s not-edited-to-add makes sense. As said now he points to another, much earlier post by **NAF** as the source of his mistake. > [@Natlaw](#): > > > [@Total\_Lost](#): > > > > However - to be perfectly honest - I don’t see what I would learn from a PM either. I’m pretty sure Scum have been provided with fake PMs. So even if Peeker showed up with a perfect PM a la Story - to me it would prove nothing. > > As someone mentioned before it’s unlikely scum would have unlimited PMs so better have a scum peeker use one up now than let them keep it for the future. > > That said I think the **peeker** s slip was more of an honest mistake than a scum slip. I don’t like peekers lack of defense either but I do note he has gone relatively quiet in another game as well. > [@Natlaw](#): > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > What you’re saying just doesn’t make any sense. If your claim is real, then you have 1.) a role that no one has heard of before (well, it sounds a bit like Denathor’s false claim, but that’s about it) 2.) the only town role that could possibly have confirmed NAF as innocent last night. Expecting people to have played as if they knew what you were is silly. > > Yeah, no one has heard of it before expect for those familiar with _Evil Dead_ which had the exact same role (burned a scum and died Night One). It’s even referenced in the PM **Idle** posted. > > And as mentioned the Godfather wasn’t a Deadite in that game. > [@Natlaw](#): > > If we’re assuming both **Oy!** and\*\* Idle\*\* as town the small mirror would be excellent to be used on Idle - you would redirect any actions from him to you. If those actions include both a kill and a protect nothing would happen unless something similar to the white powder is used. > > Meanwhile, I’m okay with my current vote for **Plankton** because he completely ignored it. Do you actually have anything to \*add \*to the discussion? Has there been anything posted in the past 3 days that warrants you actually doing a bit of analysis? Or is my one post back on Tuesday morning still the single-most significant event thus far in the game? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1608 "2010-10-15T16:08:12Z")
It would have gone a long way towards alleviating my suspicions, for example. I did my reread, and my suspicions on Peeker were somewhat abated. Since NAF is being vouched for by Idle, and Idle’s claim seems on the level to me, it seems to me Peeker couldn’t have heard from NAF that he had lost the book before he had lost the book. Granted, Peeker could have known ahead of time that the book would be stolen from his scummy teammates, but there’s no way that he would then claim in-thread that NAF had told him. It seems, more and more, like a genuine Peeker mistake, not a slip. But my vote is staying on him, because he refuses to post his PM. It’d be ironic if Peeker had made a truly honest mistake and we netted scum for it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1609 "2010-10-15T16:09:12Z")
NETA: My post is in response to Oy!. Thanks for cutting between us, Suburban! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1610 "2010-10-15T16:13:58Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > i’ve already claimed niller townie. > > > > i’ve further explained why i refuse to post my complete pm. > > > > as many have pointed out it wouldn’t change their vote anyways so why would i actively be helping scum by providing additional templates for them to create false claims, if in fact they haven’t been provided already? > > Do you realize that many, if not most, people currently voting for you are doing so primarily because you won’t post your PM? It would, I think, change quite a few votes, assuming it’s plausible. To be fair to peeker, I’m not sure how much it would change things if he posted his PM _ **now** _. If he had posted it back when it was first asked for, or even as soon as it was pointed out that the Scum had already been provided a template, then it might have made a difference. But since peeker took a position and stuck with it to begin with, he’s kinda locked in now. I’m still comfortable with my vote on him. His argument (that he would be helping the Scum by providing them with a template for false claims) makes absolutely no logical sense. In fact, his clarification in his most recent post makes even less sense than his original argument. " why would i actively be helping scum by providing additional templates" - The thing about having a template is; you really only need one. That’s why it’s a template. So providing an ‘additional template’ isn’t going to help Scum/hurt Town/make one bit of difference one way or another. “if in fact they haven’t been provided already?” - They have. It is a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1611 "2010-10-15T16:17:36Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > But my vote is staying on him, because he refuses to post his PM. It’d be ironic if Peeker had made a truly honest mistake and we netted scum for it anyway. That’s pretty much what happened to me in LOTR. I made a comment something like “as far as I know, everyone wants me dead”. People picked up on that as evidence that I was a Serial Killer, because that would be the only person that ‘everyone’ would want dead. I wasn’t. I just chose a poor turn of phrase. But it got me voted for anyway. In fact, I was Scum, but the ‘mistake’ I made had nothing whatsoever to do with my Scumminess; it was just bad luck on my part. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1612 "2010-10-15T16:35:30Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i’ve already claimed niller townie. > > i’ve further explained why i refuse to post my complete pm. > > as many have pointed out it wouldn’t change their vote anyways so why would i actively be helping scum by providing additional templates for them to create false claims, if in fact they haven’t been provided already? Peeker, scum already have three vanilla PMs to look at. How much more information could a fourth possibly give them? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1613 "2010-10-15T16:40:54Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > In fact, I was Scum, but the ‘mistake’ I made had nothing whatsoever to do with my Scumminess; it was just bad luck on my part. I am not a believer in the idea that stuff like that is bad luck. I think that sometimes a player seems scummy for reasons town can’t quite put their finger on so they latch onto a bad or wrong case to lynch the guy because it is an easy way to get a vote on a person. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1614 "2010-10-15T17:26:12Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > You seem to have voted for me for two reasons: > [ul] > [li]I was suspicious of NAF, but didn’t vote for him[/li][li]I said we should stop talking about the Book, but I hadn’t talked about anything but the Book all Day[/li][/ul] You quote all my post [except the one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13015591&postcount=1276) where I vote you? Perhaps if you had done that you would have seen that the reasons were: -You think **NAF** is lying because him being truthful doesn’t explain the events of last Night. This does not make sense as the known events are that MHaye died, Chip died (perhaps protecting Normal Phase), NAF losing the Book and Idle touching NAF. The last was only claimed after your post. NAF losing the Book only happened if NAF is telling the truth (but only makes sense to you if he’s lying?!) and I don’t see the other two connected to what NAF says. -You don’t want to vote NAF because four townies are already dead. This implies you want to lynch not town and you know NAF is. That together pinged me a lot as it seems you know more about what happened and NAFs alignment than is publicly known so I got in the early vote (I’m usually late). And yes, the point that you complained about Today being all about the book (you repeated it later) but are in fact happy to continue to talk about it. > [@](#): > > Do you actually have anything to \*add \*to the discussion? Has there been anything posted in the past 3 days that warrants you actually doing a bit of analysis? Or is my one post back on Tuesday morning still the single-most significant event thus far in the game? I did add the point that **peeker** original posted I meant Idle instead of NAF. I didn’t weigh in much on the NAF/Idle cases because they have been pretty thoroughly discussed but not convincingly enough to change my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1615 "2010-10-15T17:40:49Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and because his original post started this fracking nonsense. Specifically, what nonsense are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1616 "2010-10-15T17:44:04Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > > You seem to have voted for me for two reasons: > > [ul] > > [li]I was suspicious of NAF, but didn’t vote for him[/li][li]I said we should stop talking about the Book, but I hadn’t talked about anything but the Book all Day[/li][/ul] > > You quote all my post [except the one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13015591&postcount=1276) where I vote you? Perhaps if you had done that you would have seen that the reasons were: > -You think **NAF** is lying because him being truthful doesn’t explain the events of last Night. This does not make sense as the known events are that MHaye died, Chip died (perhaps protecting Normal Phase), NAF losing the Book and Idle touching NAF. > The last was only claimed after your post. NAF losing the Book only happened if NAF is telling the truth (but only makes sense to you if he’s lying?!) and I don’t see the other two connected to what NAF says. > > -You don’t want to vote NAF because four townies are already dead. This implies you want to lynch not town and you know NAF is. > > That together pinged me a lot as it seems you know more about what happened and NAFs alignment than is publicly known so I got in the early vote (I’m usually late). And yes, the point that you complained about Today being all about the book (you repeated it later) but are in fact happy to continue to talk about it. > > > [@](#): > > > > Do you actually have anything to \*add \*to the discussion? Has there been anything posted in the past 3 days that warrants you actually doing a bit of analysis? Or is my one post back on Tuesday morning still the single-most significant event thus far in the game? > > I did add the point that **peeker** original posted I meant Idle instead of NAF. I didn’t weigh in much on the NAF/Idle cases because they have been pretty thoroughly discussed but not convincingly enough to change my vote. OK then. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1617 "2010-10-15T18:05:15Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and because his original post started this fracking nonsense. > > Specifically, what nonsense are you referring to? because he made the post that i mis interpreted ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1618 "2010-10-15T18:18:09Z")
I thought Idle made that post? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1619 "2010-10-15T18:29:31Z")
[quote=“special\_ed, post:1581, topic:555493”] > [@Rysto](#): > > (and completely not out of spite for the recent game on Giraffe) \ he’s a liar. he’s a twisted bitter soul because i and **dirx** kicked his ass. and because it probably is not fair to vote for **naf** because i mis read his original comment/post. **unvote** **vote ed** or fuck it **unvote** **vote oy** we can’t very well break our string of not lynching newbs, can we? i mean, shit as a grizzled vet i should get some consideration. on third thought, probably a bad idea to run up all the newbs. i mean we did manage to kill off **burby** here pretty quick in lotr. and not to much later over on **idle** ’s board. so in that regard. **unvote** **vote briston** ewe know he has to be up to mutton good. plus his silence is getting pretty hanibalish (get it - if not ask me after it’s over). on second thought. if he is hanging out with the barnyard folks that is probably better than hanging around the schools. **unvote** and so that leads me back to my original case. **vote cookies** oh whoops i misquoted myself **unvote** **vote coca cola man** fuck, i did it again. **unvote** **vote maha** i mean he went behind my back in mazalan making other allegiances. the fact that i was doing it as well still doesn’t excuse his lack of faithfulness. but that is kind of inconsistent so: **unvote** **vote liflower** i like the name and just couldn’t resist. but fuck that is another fracking newb. **unvote** **vote story** that’s where it should always be. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1620 "2010-10-15T18:30:43Z")
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