# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 91
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1801 "2010-10-18T22:47:39Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@NAF1138](#): > > > > Anyone else see anything in the vote records? > > Suburban and Guiri. The former voted late on Romanic and peeker and had no vote lodged at the actual end of day one. This despite being all over the thread otherwise (I counted 76 posts earlier today when I thought I could still have time to complete an analysis on him. 83 now.) Guiri had the second vote on Romanic after that weirdness that Idle noted, and was middle/late on Oredigger and peeker. Only 24 posts total for him, which is uncharacteristic. Of note for both is that neither has ever placed more than one vote in a voting “phase” (neither has lilflower), a trait which I think is slightly more characteristic of scum than of town. > > Of course, they were in my top half dozen or so suspects anyway, which is why I looked them up in the first place, haha. > > Drain Bead is her typically aggressive self on day one, anyway – nothing suspicious in her vote patterns, per se. OAOW doesn’t look any different than he usually is, and Telcontar voted him twice to boot, not that that proves anything. > > Err … coming to a screeching halt here – Ulla hasn’t placed a vote yet? What’s up, Total? I think you are a) reading too much into ‘voting records’, and b) misstating the facts. By my count, I was the 13th person to vote for Romanic out of 23. that’s not exactly a “late vote”. And you might note that it was the first post I had made that day. Romanic’s “there are 4 scum” post came in at 3:54 in the morning in my time zone. By the time I got to work, read through the thread, and posted, it was 8:31 AM, and 12 people had already voted. And if you look at the folks who voted ‘near me’, you see the following: Telcontar (498) - Scum Rysto (500) - Town Astral (507) - Scum Suburban (516) - ??? Oredigger (527) - Town Hal (529) - ??? Peeker (531) - Scum How exactly does that support my being Scum? My vote on peeker, on the other hand, \*was \*late. That’s because I didn’t vote for him based on his ‘slip’ like many others did. I felt (and still feel) that his ‘slip’ was not based on PIS, so it was not worthy of a vote. I voted solely based on his lack of defense and refusal to post his PM. I addressed this earlier, so I’m not going to go over it again now. And my lack of vote at the end of Day 1 was due to the fact that I was out of town with no access to the board for the last 60 hours or so of the Day. I mentioned that before the game even began, again when I confirmed receipt of my PM, and again before I left on my trip. Perhaps you missed all of those posts when you were doing your analysis. As far as the fact that I never " placed more than one vote in a voting ‘phase’": I place votes when I think there is enough evidence that a person is Scum to warrant a vote. I don’t place votes to ‘pressure’ people, or to ‘send a message’, or for any of the other reasons that some people place votes. there’s nothing inherently wrong with the ‘vote early, vote often’ mentality, but it’s not the way I play the game. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1802 "2010-10-18T22:53:44Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You know, I started to go back through the game posts, and then I realized that you post nearly as much as I do and that I don’t really care that much. > > I pointed it out a couple of times as it was happening. But I bring it up now mostly as a handy reference because I know I mentioned it earlier. I sort of was bugged by it at the time, but now not so much. OK, because when you said it (post 1482) > [@NAF1138](#): > > Also, Ed, I am going to need you to cut out the snide comments and actually take a stand here in one direction or the other. Snide doesn’t help anyone. These were my most recent posts > [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > > [@Drain Bead](#): > > > > > > ``` > > > So, **peeker**. I am gathering that you do not want to post your PM for some reason. I can see no pro-Town reason for you to do that. If you are unwilling to post your PM, can you at least state your reasoning for not doing so? > > > > > > ``` > > > > Uh, I think he said he doesn’t want to give the scum a sample one to use for a fake claim. > > > > Or did I imagine him saying this? > > whoops i guess it was idle. > > I’m kidding! I’m kidding! which really wasn’t snide o a smudge as it contained no real game content. It was strictly a joke > [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@TexCat](#): > > > > ``` > > Huh? This all seems pretty obvious to me. I think a scum would go after the book, and would want to hang onto the book. You got the book during the day, so we would know that you had it. Why wouldn't you try to make the most of it, trying to make yourself look town with it? You tried to make a case that it would be good for town for you to hang onto the book, but were starting to get some heat over it and so either pretended to not have to book, or gave the book to a scum buddy. > > > > ``` > > and maybe cast a "shroud of darnkess’ to hide who has the book? which isn’t a joke at all and is game content My post 1468 was comment on another game but was directly related to a comment made in-game about possible scum strategies so, I didn’t see where I had subtly pused suspicion without actually committing to calling a person suspicious. (Unless you’re referring to the "maybe it was idle’ comment, which I clearly thought would be understood as a joke and not a smudge of peeker or anyone else. > [@NAF](#): > > You don’t understand the difference between totally non game related fluff, and subtly pushing suspicion without actually committing to calling the person suspicious? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1803 "2010-10-18T22:55:38Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@Suburban Plankton](#): > > > > What exactly makes you say that? Are you just interpreting the color to get Tiny Demon=Trickster? > > > > I’m not arguing against that interpretation…it’s just that I didn’t see it until I went back to see where you might have gotten the idea from. > > This is one of several posts from Suburban that have pinged me – what’s the point of making an issue of this at all? You say yourself you saw it once you went back and looked at the write-up, so clearly there’s nothing suspicious about Oy commenting on it. It looks like you’re fishing for something you can hang a PIS charge on. > > That reminds me, though: Oy – why NAF for the investigation (and can you post the item description for that again)? I didn’t “make an issue” of it. I asked a question about it. Because I wanted to get more information. Because “more information” \> “less information”. I read the Dawn post, and it did not occur to me that Astral was the Tiny Demon. When I read Oy’s post suggesting he was, I went back and reread the Dawn post trying to figure out where he (Oy) got that idea from. After rereading, I could see where the connection might have been made, but it still wasn’t crystal clear to me. Then I posted asking if there was something that I missed, or if Oy was simply making an assumption. I saw nothing suspicious at all in Oy’s post. Where did you get the idea that I did? ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1804 "2010-10-18T23:05:18Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Sorry about that, will try to add columns next time… The only thing that jumped out at me was **Total** ’s presence in the non-voters section for the 2.5 Days. > > **Idle** wasn’t “killed”, he was consumed by the flames which marked **Telcontar** (if I’ve understood his role and the color correctly). > > I’m undecided about the quick-lynch offer vs. full Day with little discussion ending in a **Telcontar** lynch vs. full Day with full discussion and keeping the option of leaving **Telcontar** to the Vig. I’m leaning towards the third option. I think the advantage to have a full Day is that any town with Night actions would have time to think about how they want to proceed toNight. I don’t think I’m comfortable leaving \*\*Telcontar \*\*alive at the end of the Day, though. I don’t know if town needs to take the chance that either we don’t have a vig or for some reason, the vig kill doesn’t go through. I think a good option would be to see how things progress and if discussion is totally stifled because everyone has voted and left, then maybe we can discuss ending the Day early. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1805 "2010-10-18T23:07:13Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I think you are a) reading too much into ‘voting records’, and b) misstating the facts. > > By my count, I was the 13th person to vote for Romanic out of 23. that’s not exactly a “late vote”. Mid/late, then. The only thing that can really be looked at with a bandwagon like that is whether you were instrumental in starting it; you weren’t. > [@](#): > > And you might note that it was the first post I had made that day. Romanic’s “there are 4 scum” post came in at 3:54 in the morning in my time zone. By the time I got to work, read through the thread, and posted, it was 8:31 AM, and 12 people had already voted. OK. > [@](#): > > And if you look at the folks who voted ‘near me’, you see the following: > > Telcontar (498) - Scum > Rysto (500) - Town > Astral (507) - Scum > Suburban (516) - ??? > Oredigger (527) - Town > Hal (529) - ??? > Peeker (531) - Scum > > How exactly does that support my being Scum? It doesn’t. It’s a data point that supports my overall impression of you as having been ubiquitous but non-aggressive. > [@](#): > > My vote on peeker, on the other hand, \*was \*late. That’s because I didn’t vote for him based on his ‘slip’ like many others did. I felt (and still feel) that his ‘slip’ was not based on PIS, so it was not worthy of a vote. I voted solely based on his lack of defense and refusal to post his PM. I addressed this earlier, so I’m not going to go over it again now. In itself this is fine by me – I didn’t vote him at all, you’ll note. But neither does it support that you’ve had much in the way of honest suspicion, because _you didn’t vote anyone else_, in all that time. As well, there were a couple of posts in there that rang false at the time; I’ll find them and bring them forward eventually. > [@](#): > > And my lack of vote at the end of Day 1 was due to the fact that I was out of town with no access to the board for the last 60 hours or so of the Day. I mentioned that before the game even began, again when I confirmed receipt of my PM, and again before I left on my trip. Perhaps you missed all of those posts when you were doing your analysis. Indeed I did, my apologies on that one. You’ll note I never got the chance to actually do what I wanted to. > [@](#): > > As far as the fact that I never " placed more than one vote in a voting ‘phase’": I place votes when I think there is enough evidence that a person is Scum to warrant a vote. I don’t place votes to ‘pressure’ people, or to ‘send a message’, or for any of the other reasons that some people place votes. there’s nothing inherently wrong with the ‘vote early, vote often’ mentality, but it’s not the way I play the game. You’ll have to forgive me, then, because I’ve never seen you play as town. If you do do this as town, I have no way of knowing. And I don’t vote to pressure or send a message either, yet always find plenty of people to vote for, so that’s not exactly an excuse. Not that you really need one, for this stuff. It’s not an exact science. I probably wouldn’t have brought it up at all, except that NAF did, and I was curious to find out how my top suspects checked out. Turns out my impression of “vaguely scummy” for you and Guiri is dealt no real blows by the voting record thus far. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1806 "2010-10-18T23:07:22Z")
I miss nested quotes already. Oh well. > [@special\_ed](#): > > which isn’t a joke at all and is game content Maybe it’s perceived tone that I was objecting to at the time? That comment, combined with the one liner about Idle (which I understand was a joke, but it all builds) combined with other posts like these > [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m getting the feeling that you’re trying to leave us with the impression that you’re suspicious of both NAF and peeker. > [@special\_ed](#): > > maybe the shroud of darkness hid the book from NAF.:smack: > [@special\_ed](#): > > How convenient that the book makes you a miller in alignment, power, and name. :dubious: In particular that last one which you explained with this (bolding mine): > [@special\_ed](#): > > No, I’m not saying that you are faking it. > > I was implying that were you faking it, this is a very convenient caveat to possessing the book. > > **Look at it from an outsider’s point of view. Wouldn’t it be something that stands out to you?** Built in my mind to a subtly case of smudgery against me. (Well not the first quote up there, but the others.) It might not have been your intent, but look at it from my perspective. I was getting needled by someone who wasn’t actually coming out and voting for me or even directly accusing me of anything (for a fair bit of time). It felt off. I mentioned it, in what I felt was a fairly glib way because I don’t think it means anything but at the time I was finding it exasperating. In retrospect, it was late and I was tired and probably shouldn’t have been all that exasperated. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1807 "2010-10-18T23:15:26Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I didn’t “make an issue” of it. I asked a question about it. Because I wanted to get more information. Because “more information” \> “less information”. > > I read the Dawn post, and it did not occur to me that Astral was the Tiny Demon. When I read Oy’s post suggesting he was, I went back and reread the Dawn post trying to figure out where he (Oy) got that idea from. After rereading, I could see where the connection might have been made, but it still wasn’t crystal clear to me. Then I posted asking if there was something that I missed, or if Oy was simply making an assumption. > > I saw nothing suspicious at all in Oy’s post. Where did you get the idea that I did? Let me get this straight: Oy equates Asral/Trickster/scum with tiny demon. Not having really read the write-up, you have no idea where he might have gotten this idea. I’m fine with this so far. I’m NOT fine with you now professing you found nothing suspicious there, because that’s obvious scum PIS if it’s not supported anywhere in public. So now you go back and check the write-up, and it’s quite obvious: tiny demon talks about doing nasty things with its friends, winds up dead at the end; there’s a dead scum Trickster. I’m fine with this, too. So why even mention it? It IS crystal clear, once you’ve read it. What can you possibly expect Oy to add? It’s like you thought you had the germ of a PIS argument going there, then when you realized it wouldn’t fly, you still couldn’t quite shake it; and your response to Oy’s post is how that came out. I find it very hard to believe your explanation here. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1808 "2010-10-18T23:15:40Z")
Mahaloth had a vote on Telcontar for a portion of Day 1, for mostly metagame reasons. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > OK, I"m caught up. > > 1. Did Oy explain to us why she claimed? I didn’t see that one coming. Was it to draw protection? > > 2. I think Oredigger should have placed a real vote. > > 3. I think Telcontar is scummy mcscumbag and was stunned to see that NAF picked up on the exact things I did. Telcontar’s entire argument sounds like the kind of one I’ve seen him collaborate on with scum in other games. Since they have Day-talking in this game, I think he has worked up a case he can present as reasonable against NAF. > > Unvote Oredigger > > **Vote Telcontar** > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Bolding mine. Cite, please > > K. I’m going to go back into LOST mafia’s day and night board for scum later. > > I’m not saying he made the exact argument, but rather that it strikes me as a case typical of that which comes out of scum daytime collaboration. > > Uh, I’ll be back after I comb through my old scum boards for LOST. (I did correct Mahaloth’s broken quote of Ed in my quote, but with the changes to nested quoting, the quote that Ed is referring to doesn’t show up…I think) ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1809 "2010-10-18T23:20:02Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > It felt off. I mentioned it, in what I felt was a fairly glib way because I don’t think it means anything but at the time I was finding it exasperating. In retrospect, it was late and I was tired and probably shouldn’t have been all that exasperated. OK, I can see how the “How convenient” comment might come off as snide. My apologies for that. Though I do stand behind the concept that it would have been a convenient thing for a Scum to say while in possession of the book. To get back to the present time though, this has made me think of something else. Did the original Evil Dead, the original have an investigator besides the religious figure one (like Idle)? Because your comments about possession of the book do lead me to believe that we must have one. Otherwise, why would a book make you appear Scummy when Idle’s investigation was impervious to being tricked? Note: I am not fishing for an investigator nor asking one to claim. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1810 "2010-10-18T23:20:19Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Did you express this earlier? > > I’m a bit too lazy to go back and check. Yes he did; Mahaloth was third vote on Telcontar during the second iteration of Day One. (After me and Brewha; before Chipa and Stanislaus.) ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1811 "2010-10-18T23:27:55Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > That reminds me, though: Oy – why NAF for the investigation (and can you post the item description for that again)? #947 > [@Oy](#): > > POWERS: > > On any given Night, you may choose to use any of the items below to cast a spell targeting the player of your choice. The spell will permanently consume the item; if you run out of items, you run out of powers. > > 1. Small Mirror - With this small mirror, you may cast an enchantment on yourself to make you resemble another player. For that Night, any actions targeting you will fail. Any actions targeting your target will affect you instead. > > 2. Blue Crystal - Use this item and you will be able to observe the player of your choice in his/her travels for that Night, and learn his or her target. > > 3. White Powder - With this item, you may cast a spell rendering the player of your choice stronger and more skillful; any actions attempted by this player on the Night after you cast the spell will succeed, even if the player is role-blocked or otherwise prevented from acting (a player operating under the influence of the White Powder will be able to penetrate the illusion generated by the Small Mirror, #1 above). You may use the white powder on yourself, if you wish. > > 4. Clay Doll - With this item, you may cast a spell that will reveal the role name and generic power description (but not alignment) of a player of your choice. The spell creates a bond between you and the targeted player, such that he or she will know that you have targeted them with an investigative ability. > > 5. Small, Fragile Flower - Gift a player (including yourself) with this small, fragile flower and that player will be immune to Night kills for one Night at his or her discretion. A full Night of wearing the flower will cause it to wilt. Also note: the flower functions to protect a player only if no other actions are directed against that player during the Night. > > 6. Incense - There’s nothing magical about this stuff; it just stinks. Burn it in your room overnight and the scent will overpower any living being who attempts to target you with any action, repelling them and saving your life. Deadites, being from the bleakest, foulest pits of a Demon Dimension (Newark, NJ, to be specific), don’t mind the smell and will not be affected. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1812 "2010-10-18T23:32:25Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Mahaloth had a vote on Telcontar for a portion of Day 1, for mostly metagame reasons. That’s interesting. The idea that there was scum brainstorming going on makes me wonder who gave support to that argument. I need to look more carefully later, but on a quick scan DB isn’t looking all that great to me. But there might be confirmation bias going on with that. Anyone else see opportunisitc cases being built against me? At the start of Day 2 would be a good time to look as well. (Yeah, I am asking others to do work for me. It’s not ideal, but it’s what I got right now.) ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1813 "2010-10-18T23:37:19Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > That’s interesting. The idea that there was scum brainstorming going on makes me wonder who gave support to that argument. > > I need to look more carefully later, but on a quick scan DB isn’t looking all that great to me. But there might be confirmation bias going on with that. Anyone else see opportunisitc cases being built against me? At the start of Day 2 would be a good time to look as well. > > (Yeah, I am asking others to do work for me. It’s not ideal, but it’s what I got right now.) I know there are some issues with quoting right now, but how did you end up attributing my quote to Ed? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1814 "2010-10-18T23:38:08Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I know there are some issues with quoting right now, but how did you end up attributing my quote to Ed? I have no clue. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1815 "2010-10-18T23:53:14Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Mahaloth had a vote on Telcontar for a portion of Day 1, for mostly metagame reasons. > > (I did correct Mahaloth’s broken quote of Ed in my quote, but with the changes to nested quoting, the quote that Ed is referring to doesn’t show up…I think) Hey, and now that you mention it, Mahaloth never did report back after combing through the Lost Scum thread. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1816 "2010-10-18T23:54:38Z")
These non-nesting tags are going to be crazy. Post 1812 attributes something to me that I think Cookies said ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1817 "2010-10-19T00:49:35Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Let me get this straight: > > Oy equates Asral/Trickster/scum with tiny demon. > Not having really read the write-up, you have no idea where he might have gotten this idea. I’m fine with this so far. I’m NOT fine with you now professing you found nothing suspicious there, because that’s obvious scum PIS if it’s not supported anywhere in public. > So now you go back and check the write-up, and it’s quite obvious: tiny demon talks about doing nasty things with its friends, winds up dead at the end; there’s a dead scum Trickster. I’m fine with this, too. So why even mention it? It IS crystal clear, once you’ve read it. What can you possibly expect Oy to add? It’s like you thought you had the germ of a PIS argument going there, then when you realized it wouldn’t fly, you still couldn’t quite shake it; and your response to Oy’s post is how that came out. > > I find it very hard to believe your explanation here. Oy came to a conclusion that I hadn’t come to. I reread the write-up and didn’t see any concrete evidence to support his conclusion. So that left two possibilities: 1. There was no concrete evidence, and Oy was making an assumption 2. There was some concrete evidence, and I completely missed it. Thus my question. If I had missed something, I wanted to know what it was. As I stated to Oy, I didn’t find his conclusion unreasonable; I wasn’t arguing with him or asking for justification. Only asking for additional evidence,\* if it existed\*, that I might have overlooked. It may have been crystal clear to you that Astral was the Tiny Demon, but it wasn’t to me. I don’t know what to make of the zombie squirrel who is rapidly losing body parts, either. I understand that as Town, we look for any behavior that seems “off”, that might allow us to unearth Scum. And as Scum, we look for any behavior that seems “off”, that might allow us to build an argument against Town. I’m not sure which you are, but it seems like you’re trying hard to build a case against me here, where there is none to build. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1818 "2010-10-19T09:04:59Z")
I don’t see much point in continuing this Day. Days like this never amount to much. \*\* Final Vote: Telcontar \*\* ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1819 "2010-10-19T11:36:55Z")
**Vote: Telcontar** I’m not ready to end the Day yet. I think there are still discussions to be had. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1820 "2010-10-19T12:39:05Z")
What are those discussions, and why aren’t you having them? 😉 **Final vote: Telcontar** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=90) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=92)