# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 94
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1861 "2010-10-19T18:42:51Z")
I am a she, **Plankton**. **Drain** , OK if I answer this? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1862 "2010-10-19T18:46:52Z")
Um, Oy…why would you need to ask DB’s permission to answer a question put to you? ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1863 "2010-10-19T18:47:53Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > The more this conversation goes on the more townie you look, but: > > Imagine, if you will, a scum Oy! who has thrown out a random cover role in response to pressure; or who has tweaked her own scummy/PFK role PM appropriately – > > In this case, if she were inclined to hide what she was actually doing with her evenings, she would be able to take what NAF himself had posted already and pretend to have “confirmed” it by use of her power, when actually she’d done nothing of the sort, using only her knowledge of her own role and Idle’s investigation to determine NAF was likely enough to be telling the truth to make it a safe play to back him up more fully. Oh, I thought you meant really confirmable. A pity. I’d like to absolutely confirm him. Or not. Yeah, I suppose a scummy me could do that, but I doubt I’d have the guts, to be perfectly honest. Maybe, if the rest of the scum were egging me on, I would. I guess I’ll never know. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1864 "2010-10-19T18:48:51Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > I am a she, **Plankton**. > > **Drain** , OK if I answer this? My apologies…I thought I saw upthread that you said you here a “he”. I do wonder why you are asking Drain for permission to answer my question, though. Ultimately, I’m wondering what the justification is for your action, so it seems only logical that you should answer, assuming you feel like doing so. Why are you asking someone else if it’s OK? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1865 "2010-10-19T18:51:41Z")
Who are you trying to get insight into by asking this question, SP? By the way, doing this review of your posts is about killing me. I hate this sort of thing so verrah, verrah much. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1866 "2010-10-19T18:52:18Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Um, Oy…why would you need to ask DB’s permission to answer a question put to you? Because I hate the idea of drawing yet more attention to the idea that **Drain** is a power role. BUt I guess she thinks it’s OK since she admitted I gave her the Flower. Basically, I believed your reasoning, **NAF** , except I went one further with it. I think Scum would also have known that the vanilla roles were varied because I think **Story** almost certainly gave them an unused vanilla role as cover (at least, that’s what **Mahaloth** did in Harry Potter and LotR). So I concluded that the only people who would find my non-vanilla slip to be plausibly vanilla were Town Power roles. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1867 "2010-10-19T18:56:31Z")
I may or may not be a power role. **NAF** may or may not have been operating under a mistaken assumption. The cat in the box may or may not be alive. Or it might be both. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1868 "2010-10-19T18:58:12Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Who are you trying to get insight into by asking this question, SP? > > By the way, doing this review of your posts is about killing me. I hate this sort of thing so verrah, verrah much. I’m trying to gain insight into Oy’s thought process, and possible to confirm Drain Bead as Town. I think that Oy giving the flower to Drain on Night 1 was not a smart move. Even if it is proven that Drain is Town, I still think it was not a smart move, given the information that was available at the time. I don’t think that there was sufficient evidence pointing to Drain being Town to warrant her being given the flower on Night 1. Oy apparently thought there was more evidence than I did. I’d like to know her reasoning behind that. If it’s sound, then it moves Drain into the ‘Confirmed Town’ pool for me. If it’s unsound, then I continue to think that Oy made a ‘bad play’, but otherwise it’s a null tell. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1869 "2010-10-19T18:59:21Z")
But the point is, **Drain** pretty much understood my reasoning when she received the Flower, because she could read what **NAF** had said, and she understood that I am a newbie who was likely to be influenced by what **NAF** had said. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1870 "2010-10-19T19:00:47Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’m trying to gain insight into Oy’s thought process, and possible to confirm Drain Bead as Town. > > I think that Oy giving the flower to Drain on Night 1 was not a smart move. Even if it is proven that Drain is Town, I still think it was not a smart move, given the information that was available at the time. I don’t think that there was sufficient evidence pointing to Drain being Town to warrant her being given the flower on Night 1. > > Oy apparently thought there was more evidence than I did. I’d like to know her reasoning behind that. If it’s sound, then it moves Drain into the ‘Confirmed Town’ pool for me. If it’s unsound, then I continue to think that Oy made a ‘bad play’, but otherwise it’s a null tell. You may well be right. For all I know, **Drain** is Scum. I don’t think so, but then she’s been nice to me, and I know I’m a little influenced by that. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1871 "2010-10-19T19:01:59Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > Because I hate the idea of drawing yet more attention to the idea that **Drain** is a power role. BUt I guess she thinks it’s OK since she admitted I gave her the Flower. > > Basically, I believed your reasoning, **NAF** , except I went one further with it. I think Scum would also have known that the vanilla roles were varied because I think **Story** almost certainly gave them an unused vanilla role as cover (at least, that’s what **Mahaloth** did in Harry Potter and LotR). So I concluded that the only people who would find my non-vanilla slip to be plausibly vanilla were Town Power roles. I want to make sure I’m understanding you properly here, because you address two different questions in this port: You concluded that Drain Bead was Town because she believed (after your ‘slip’) that you might have been Vanilla, and the only people who would have believed that would be Town Power roles. Is that correct? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1872 "2010-10-19T19:02:32Z")
There’s nothing that **Oy!** can say that will confirm me, as far as I can see. **I** am as certain as one can be without an investigation that **Oy!** is Town, but that’s because I have the knowledge that I am Town, which others won’t have. But it’s worth me saying what I know in order to make sure that people realize that **Oy!** is for real. This doesn’t really do much to confirm me, though, so don’t bother trying. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1873 "2010-10-19T19:03:08Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > So I concluded that the only people who would find my non-vanilla slip to be plausibly vanilla were Town Power roles. Not a bad thought, but Peek’s existence as scum sort of invalidates it. I like where you were going though. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1874 "2010-10-19T19:09:18Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I want to make sure I’m understanding you properly here, because you address two different questions in this port: > > You concluded that Drain Bead was Town because she believed (after your ‘slip’) that you might have been Vanilla, and the only people who would have believed that would be Town Power roles. > > Is that correct? Yes, that’s correct. And, **NAF** , I don’t think **peeker** counts, because **peeker** is **peeker**. Besides, night one, I had no idea that **peeker** was Scum. In fact, I didn’t think he was Scum until he flipped after being lynched. I can’t read him; he’s too bizarre for me to follow. I know **Plankton** thinks he’s perfectly understandable (I think it was you in the LotR spoiled thread who said that), but I can’t follow him at all. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1875 "2010-10-19T19:10:17Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’m trying to gain insight into Oy’s thought process, and possible to confirm Drain Bead as Town. > > I think that Oy giving the flower to Drain on Night 1 was not a smart move. Even if it is proven that Drain is Town, I still think it was not a smart move, given the information that was available at the time. I don’t think that there was sufficient evidence pointing to Drain being Town to warrant her being given the flower on Night 1. > > Oy apparently thought there was more evidence than I did. I’d like to know her reasoning behind that. If it’s sound, then it moves Drain into the ‘Confirmed Town’ pool for me. If it’s unsound, then I continue to think that Oy made a ‘bad play’, but otherwise it’s a null tell. What this boils down to, from my perspective, is that you’re willing to be sweet-talked into believing that someone is town, which is a load of bull horse pucky as far as an actual and whole Confirmed Town pool is concerned. You do not get confirmed players that way. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1876 "2010-10-19T19:10:19Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Not a bad thought, but Peek’s existence as scum sort of invalidates it. I like where you were going though. That was me. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1877 "2010-10-19T19:11:19Z")
NETA: I meant the supposed **Drain Bead** quote you cited, **NAF**. Why couldn’t they leave nested quotes alone? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1878 "2010-10-19T19:12:19Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I may or may not be a power role. **NAF** may or may not have been operating under a mistaken assumption. The cat in the box may or may not be alive. Or it might be both. Sometimes, I really like you. Want to trade magic bags? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1879 "2010-10-19T19:13:10Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > What this boils down to, from my perspective, is that you’re willing to be sweet-talked into believing that someone is town, which is a load of bull horse pucky as far as an actual and whole Confirmed Town pool is concerned. You do not get confirmed players that way. I don’t think **Plankton** is willing to be sweet-talked. _I_’m the one who was willing to be sweet-talked. **Plankton** was willing to be convinced. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2010, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1880 "2010-10-19T19:14:42Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > NETA: I meant the supposed **Drain Bead** quote you cited, **NAF**. Why couldn’t they leave nested quotes alone? Oh Sonofa… :rolleyes: Sorry, I promise to actually look at who I am attributing quotes to from now on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=93) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=95)