# Evil Dead Mafia II - Teaser and Sign-Ups \[Game On!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493 "2010-09-29T17:35:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1921 "2010-10-20T16:08:44Z")
**Stanislaus** , you were hands down the most valuable player to Town in the first Evil Dead game, and for that reason, I have to force myself to remember that you may not be Town at all here and now. So I will resist the impulse to take your advice as the Word of God. About the Book. We have no evidence that it’s been used since **NAF** lost it (assuming he did). But the directions clearly state that “Each Day and each Night” the bearer may do nothing, pass the Book to someone else, replace the Book on the pedastal, or use a power from it. The Book disappeared from stated public view at Dawn of Day Two. Dusk of Day Two, **peeker** was lynched and the squirrel appeared. Now, I’ve been assuming that the squirrel was connected with **peeker** , but it’s also possible that it appeared as a consequence of some Book power. If so, I think that it’s possible that someone tried to use Page #99, Dread Resurrection on **Oredigger** , and got the squirrel as a resurrected **Oredigger**. If that’s the case, it would suggest (albeit not conclusively) that a Townie has the Book, since **Oredigger** was Town. That doesn’t mean that the squirrel counts for Town. Has anyone else noticed anything Day or Night that might have been a Book Power? I haven’t, but I don’t notice everything by any means. **SP** , I feel fairly confident that my Clay Doll was not redirected, because I got the result I did. If my doll had been redirected, I should have gotten someone else’s role name, and it’s just not plausible that some other player is the Grizzled Cop. I also feel confident that my Flower was not redirected, because the person I gave it to independently stated that she got it. So if **Astral** was redirecting anyone, I feel pretty confident that it was not me. Or, if redirections are targetted on recipients, I feel pretty confident that no one redirected **Drain** on Night One or **NAF** on Night Two. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1922 "2010-10-20T16:17:01Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > **SP** , I feel fairly confident that my Clay Doll was not redirected, because I got the result I did. Just in the interest of helping out the newbie, in the future in situation like this you might want to wait until you see the person you are targeting post so that they can verify that they were targeted before you say anything. That way the uncertainty is taken away. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1923 "2010-10-20T16:18:00Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > That’s useful information; it confirms **NAF** about as solidly as it’s possible to confirm someone in this game. The point I was trying to make that two players we know something about can be more useful than a single solidly confirmed one. Those tend to be high priority targets. > [@special\_ed](#): > > Yes, it was an error. I apparently got confused and didn’t go fact check. I started the post thinking there was evidence of a SK and a Vig, then remembered Idle’s death was caused by his Night action. I think my initial read was correct, and my self-correction was wrong. > > So, yes, there is a good inidication that we have both a SK and a Vig. I think the point here was that there were four death and taking out **Idle** ’s self combustion that still leaves three others (scum + 2 pfk or scum + pfk + vig most likely I would say). > [@Oy](#): > > Based on the color, it looks as if **Astral** killed **Rysto**. **Rysto** , frantically digging in the grave, appears to have been trying to do something last Night, and it’s not clear whether or not he succeeded. The color suggests he did not succeed (in that he was still digging when he died, rather than sitting back on his heels), but **storyteller** has basically told us that any action not blocked will go through. It seems unlikely, albeit not impossible, that **Rysto** was blocked by Scum, as their role blocker is dead (Yay!). **Normal** , you mentioned a Grave Digger role in another game that was “awesome.” Can you tell us what it did? It sounds a bit like the Coroner from Conspiracy (gets to know the role/alignment? of someone killed) but that only works with a delayed reveal we don’t have here. I didn’t search any wiki but maybe he was able to dig up and use your (and possible other) items if you died? Or the Book is someone died with it. And some speculation: we might be able to get information of the dead (possibly including that which they found out the Night they were killed) with ‘Dread Containment’ or maybe ‘Dread Whisper’. Or use the power of someone dead with ‘Dread Resurrection’. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1924 "2010-10-20T16:18:21Z")
Thanks, **NAF**. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1925 "2010-10-20T16:22:25Z")
Regarding the Book: Judging by the ‘instructions’ that NAF posted, it would appear that half of its powers wouldn’t have any immediately visible effects, so I don’t think he can say whether or not anyone has used the book since NAF lost it. If something happens that can’t reasonably be explained another way that would suggest it was used, but lack of effect does not imply lack of use at this point. It’s possible that the book is in the hands of Vanilla Town at the moment, and the person who has it is holding on to it without using it, specifically to prevent it from being used by anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1926 "2010-10-20T16:32:43Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Post 1219: 10/11 15:4** 2 > There’s no hard evidence against NAF at the moment, but the ‘NAF is lying’ scenario seems to be a lot more plausible than any of the various scenarios I can think of that both satisfy ‘NAF is being truthful’ and adequately explain the events of last Night. > \ > > I don’t see much of a case being pushed there. More like an initial distrust, an effort to make a case in public, and then a realization that there really isn’t any case to be made. Ok then. How is saying someone lying is a lot more plausible than other scenarios not pushing the case against them? I still like to hear how you go from ‘NAF claims to have used power on himself and lost the book’ + events of that Night to NAF is lying. I don’t see any event that showing that NAF did or didn’t use a power or that he did or didn’t lose the book. Or how because of four dead/escaped townies it’s _especially_ not enough to convict NAF. **Unvote Suburban Plankton** to be back Tomorrow most likely. **Final vote Telcontar** because it says SCUM on his forehead. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1927 "2010-10-20T17:02:40Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Regarding the Book: > > Judging by the ‘instructions’ that NAF posted, it would appear that half of its powers wouldn’t have any immediately visible effects, so I don’t think he can say whether or not anyone has used the book since NAF lost it. If something happens that can’t reasonably be explained another way that would suggest it was used, but lack of effect does not imply lack of use at this point. > > It’s possible that the book is in the hands of Vanilla Town at the moment, and the person who has it is holding on to it without using it, specifically to prevent it from being used by anyone else. So you know what the Books powers do? Because the only thing I’ve seen is a list of the spells without any description of what they actually do. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1928 "2010-10-20T17:09:55Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Are you going to answer me about what led to your suspicions on Telcontar? Sorry, very busy. Standardized testing at my school. I don’t see it in the LOST game. However, I am almost certain I remember something like that, which struck me as group “case building”. It was either in another game or I am wrong about who it was. It was not in one of my games, though, because Tel has only been scum once in the ones I’ve modded on my own. Otherwise, my suspicions remain for the same reason and the obvious info. we gathered from last Night. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1929 "2010-10-20T17:11:15Z")
Sorry if this has been dealt with, but how close are we to shortening this Day because of Telcontar’s clearly imminent death? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1930 "2010-10-20T17:21:22Z")
A little closer \*\* final vote Telcontar\*\* I think we have gotten some good discussion out of the Day and I won’t mind it ending in 24 to 36 hours. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1931 "2010-10-20T18:21:54Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Sorry if this has been dealt with, but how close are we to shortening this Day because of Telcontar’s clearly imminent death? I count 18 votes for **Telcontar** , 11 of which are final votes so the 24-hour countdown should have started but just in case: **Unvote** **Final vote Telcontar** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1932 "2010-10-20T18:27:34Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > I think the point here was that there were four death and taking out **Idle** ’s self combustion that still leaves three others (scum + 2 pfk or scum + pfk + vig most likely I would say). Yes, I understand the point. I made a mistake. I counted correctly when I came to my conclusion (likely SK and Vig) then corrected myself with faulty recollection as I type the post. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1933 "2010-10-20T18:30:14Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Sorry, very busy. Standardized testing at my school. > > I don’t see it in the LOST game. However, I am almost certain I remember something like that, which struck me as group “case building”. It was either in another game or I am wrong about who it was. It was not in one of my games, though, because Tel has only been scum once in the ones I’ve modded on my own. > > Otherwise, my suspicions remain for the same reason and the obvious info. we gathered from last Night. I understand your suspicions toDay. I mean, it’s obvious. What I don’t understand is you saying telcontar has done this in the past as Scum before he was under the obvious ‘mark of the demon’ It alomst sounds like you wanted to have him listed as suspicous in case he died. it’s not a lot, but it is a data point. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1934 "2010-10-20T18:46:56Z")
I forgot about the carry-over votes, but I think my vote wound up on Telcontar at the end of yesterday anyway, so it hardly matters. Regardless just to be sure: **unvote** **vote: Telcontar** Someone asked about the gravedigger role I saw before: it was an ability to see everyone who had interacted with a given player. So if Rysto “dug up” MHaye or Chipacabra, there’s a chance he’d be able to tell who killed them. I’m pretty sure it’s not quite so straightforward in this game (would be a horrible role for a serial killer to have to deal with without some sort of catch, for instance), but it was probably something along those lines. I’ve been stupid busy today, so no summary yet; maybe in a couple of hours. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Lost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e56c9b/32.png) [@Total\_Lost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Total_Lost)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1935 "2010-10-20T19:08:18Z")
I’m sorry - I was out of town and therefore i couldn’t post. Pretty sure I made a post about this in the game… Also: I didn’t like **Telcontar** post about vanilla PMs yesterDay and asked him to comment. He did not. After reading the color and this Day I’m fine with: **Vote Telcontar** But I don’t like all the “let’s end Day-talk”. I know we can talk at Night and all. But I like to know when Days end. And if I’m busy IRL, I depend on being back before Day ends with a vote or a comment. So for those of you that look at vote records and patterns: How would it look if we hammered Day to an End and then later talked about all of the players without a vote? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1936 "2010-10-20T20:22:10Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Ok then. > > How is saying someone lying is a lot more plausible than other scenarios not pushing the case against them? I think the disagreement here is with the word “pushing”. Yes, I made an initial case against NAF, based on the fact that I thought ‘NAF is lying’ was _more likely_ that any other explanation. That’s a far cry from saying “_I am convinced_ that NAF is Scum”. I call that “making a case” (which I later backed off of after additional information came in). If you want to call it “pushing the case”, that’s fine. > [@](#): > > I still like to hear how you go from ‘NAF claims to have used power on himself and lost the book’ + events of that Night to NAF is lying. I don’t see any event that showing that NAF did or didn’t use a power or that he did or didn’t lose the book. You’re right that there was no event showing that NAF did or did not use the book, or lose the book. The only evidence we have of either is that NAF told us that both events happened. I did not believe him when he first told us, hence my statement that I thought NAF was lying. As the Day wore on and other events transpired, I changed my mind. You may or may not agree with my thinking, but I can’t imagine that you don’t understand my reasoning here. > [@](#): > > Or how because of four dead/escaped townies it’s _especially_ not enough to convict NAF. My thought was that since we were already down 4-0, we needed to be careful we didn’t make it 5-0. In my mind, that ‘raised the bar’ as far as how much evidence was needed to put someone up for a lynching. At the time I posted that, I believed that NAF was lying, but I did not at that point consider my ‘gut feeling’ to be enough to cast a vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1937 "2010-10-20T20:23:10Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > So you know what the Books powers do? Because the only thing I’ve seen is a list of the spells without any description of what they actually do. Of course I don’t know what the Book’s powers do. I was speculating. hence the phrase “Judging by the ‘instructions’ that NAF posted, _ **it would appear** _…” Are you saying that you’ve given no thought at all to what the Book’s powers actually do? One more question. In Post 1923, Natlaw posted this: > [@](#): > > And some speculation: we might be able to get information of the dead (possibly including that which they found out the Night they were killed) with ‘Dread Containment’ or maybe ‘Dread Whisper’. Or use the power of someone dead with ‘Dread Resurrection’. Why didn’t you ask him the very same question you just asked me? Isn’t he doing exactly the same thing I did? ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_McGinty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6bbea6/32.png) [@Mrs\_McGinty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_McGinty)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1938 "2010-10-20T22:19:40Z")
**vote: Telcontar** ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1939 "2010-10-20T22:26:42Z")
> [@Mrs\_McGinty](#): > > **vote: Telcontar** Not interested in making that a final vote? ---
**Author:** ![Mrs\_McGinty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6bbea6/32.png) [@Mrs\_McGinty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs_McGinty)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493/1940 "2010-10-20T23:10:35Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Not interested in making that a final vote? Thus far, I’ve only skimmed over what’s been said since the morning post, and have yet to look back at previous events in light of last night’s developments. I won’t argue that the day shouldn’t end early, if that’s what the majority wants. But, personally, I’d like to wait until the expected time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-dead-mafia-ii-teaser-and-sign-ups-game-on/555493.md?page=98)