# Evil One...suck my dick. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 6, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593 "2006-04-06T16:04:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/1 "2006-04-06T16:04:01Z")
This is just to shout out a quick Fuck you to **Evil One** for the moronic turd he dropped in [This CS thread about 9/11 movies](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7271270#post7271270). > [@Evil One](#): > > The whole idea of the events of Flight 93 envoke emotional reactions from everyone…and these are adding to the polarizing effect of the movie. > > I’m not pointing the finger at any poster in the thread because I cannot know what’s in their hearts…but some people are bothered on a viceral level by the idea of the simple heroism and sacrifice that took place on that plane. > > They don’t like the fact that people they disagree with are inspired by those selfless acts and they become hostile toward the entire subject. I would like to invite the subject of this thread to actually NAME someone who is “bothered by the heroism” of the Flight 93 victims. That’s got to be one of the dumbest fucking things I’ve ever read on this board. The only reason I can’t say it’s THE dumbest is because the recently departed **Updike** has probably established a standard that will never be touched, but your own sweeping, idiotic, unfounded smear at least deserves a mention in the Pit. Could you at least, pray tell, offer an explanation as to WHY you think “some people” (liberals, I presume?) are so bothered by the heroism of those on Flight 93? Where the hell does a thought like that even come from? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/2 "2006-04-06T16:14:15Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Could you at least, pray tell, offer an explanation as to WHY you think “some people” (liberals, I presume?) are so bothered by the heroism of those on Flight 93? Where the hell does a thought like that even come from? Yeah, that’s gonna take some serious explaning. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/3 "2006-04-06T16:26:11Z")
I think you may be pitting the wrong person in that thread. I suspect **Evil One** ’s post was in response to _these_ turds dropped earlier in that same thread: > [@VCO3](#): > > I think it would be interesting if the director had the guts to show what really happened - that the flight was shot down in a remote area to prevent it from reaching its target - rather than playing into the whole “Let’s Roll” story which itself is such a Hollywood-ified fabrication in the first place. > [@VCO3](#): > > Umm, common sense, and the ridiculous glut of anecdotal evidence, eye witness accounts, and, ummm, common sense once more. Planes don’t just conveniently fall out of the sky into unpopulated locations, especially when it’s known that they’ve been hijacked. > > If anything, it could be a brave film, showing what a terrible and gut-wrenching decision we had to make, choosing to sacrifice the lives of a few in order to save many more. Alas, we’ll get “Let’s Roll!” and a the guys karate-chopping the terr’rist while techno music pounds. If **Evil One** is responding to that, then I must agree with the sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/4 "2006-04-06T16:27:01Z")
Well, if some of the complete batshit-crazy loons in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=364515), like **bigpappadiaz** or **Sent** are to be believed, Flight 93 is all part of big government conspiracy and didn’t happen. Therefore, a movie about the events of the fictional flight are nothing more than another propoganda tool of the Evil Government[sup]TM[/sup] to misdirect the American populace away from what really happened. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/5 "2006-04-06T16:29:52Z")
Hey Evil One. Read the timeline of that flight. Note the guy who got his throat slit early on? That’s one of my high school friend’s dad. So… I think I appreciate the heroism of those on that plane pretty good. Thanks for the thought though! Dickwad. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/6 "2006-04-06T16:31:48Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > I think you may be pitting the wrong person in that thread. I suspect **Evil One** ’s post was in response to _these_ turds dropped earlier in that same thread: > If **Evil One** is responding to that, then I must agree with the sentiment. I don’t see the connection. Why would even a conspiracy theorist “have a problem with” the possibility of heroism and sacrifice? If the suggestion is that some people concoct conspiracy theories because they can’t stand the idea that the people on Flight 93 were heroes, it still has to be explained WHY they would feel that way, and **Evil One** has still not offered the slightest bit of evidence that such a motivation exists at all. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/7 "2006-04-06T16:42:54Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > I think you may be pitting the wrong person in that thread. I suspect **Evil One** ’s post was in response to _these_ turds dropped earlier in that same thread: > If **Evil One** is responding to that, then I must agree with the sentiment. This is the feeling i get, too. Espcially after reading what else was in **Evil** ’s post, but left off in this thread: > [@Evil One](#): > > Personally, what happened on that plane has stuck with me to this day. I can’t read about the subject at any length without getting choked up…and the movie will probably me an intense emotional experience for me. > > If I could choose the manner of my death, it would be the way those passengers and crew went. Seriously, I think you guys are targeting the wrong asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/8 "2006-04-06T16:43:41Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I don’t see the connection. Why would even a conspiracy theorist “have a problem with” the possibility of heroism and sacrifice? You’ve got to be kidding me. I’m not saying I know what motivates a crazy conspiracy theorist like **VCO3** , but you have to admit, that if one believes that the whole thing was staged, that means, by definition, no actual heroics took place on the plane. The question then arises, why is **VCO3** denying these events and, by extention, denying that actual heroics took place? It does not seem at all unreasonable to say that he is bothered by the idea of ordinary people performing actual heroic acts. Of course, again, who knows what motivates him? Maybe he just loves conspiracy theories. Maybe the sky is purple in his world. Who knows? That’s not the point I’m arguing. What I’m saying is that it seems quite obvious to me that **Evil One** is referring to **VCO3**. If he’s not, then he should explain exactly what he meant. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/9 "2006-04-06T16:45:55Z")
Maybe my chin strap is too tight and it’s obstructing my view, but … > [@Evil One](#): > > I’m not pointing the finger at any poster in the thread because I cannot know what’s in their hearts … seems to defeat the howling “NAME someone who is ‘bothered by heroism’” part of your OP. > [@](#): > > … but some people are bothered on a vi[s]ceral level by the idea of the simple heroism and sacrifice that took place on that plane. Hmmm. Perhaps people get upset thinking a cowardly enemy (for an extreme example a homicide bomber) might be inspired by the brave acts depicted in the movie? BTW: It makes much more sense if you include the rest of the post, which you so conveniently omitted. > [@](#): > > Personally, what happened on that plane has stuck with me to this day. I can’t read about the subject at any length without getting choked up…and the movie will probably me an intense emotional experience for me. > > If I could choose the manner of my death, it would be the way those passengers and crew went. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/10 "2006-04-06T16:47:05Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > You’ve got to be kidding me. I’m not saying I know what motivates a crazy conspiracy theorist like **VCO3** , but you have to admit, that if one believes that the whole thing was staged, that means, by definition, no actual heroics took place on the plane. The question then arises, why is **VCO3** denying these events and, by extention, denying that actual heroics took place? It does not seem at all unreasonable to say that he is bothered by the idea of ordinary people performing actual heroic acts. > > Of course, again, who knows what motivates him? Maybe he just loves conspiracy theories. Maybe the sky is purple in his world. Who knows? That’s not the point I’m arguing. What I’m saying is that it seems quite obvious to me that **Evil One** is referring to **VCO3**. If he’s not, then he should explain exactly what he meant. Nope, the crazy conspiratorial theorist can absolutely believe in heroics (after all, they are indeed the heros who ‘see through’ the lies etc.). They’d believe in the crazy conspiracy jus’ cause that’s who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/11 "2006-04-06T16:51:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Where the hell does a thought like that even come from? Because it’s true? It’s a fact that some people **are** irritated by stories of heroism, I have no particular insight as to why, but it’s a syndrome that does exist. If I hadda guess, I’d guess that it’s because they view it with a certain feeling of impatience, as in, “Oh, fine, make the rest of us look bad, willya”, because they’re so insecure that they know that they themselves would never be able to make the same decision, to go mano a mano with a group of terrorists, or dive into freezing water to rescue a golden-haired child, or whatever. And so they hate the person who **did** jump up and grab the steering wheel of the bus when the driver had a heart attack. It’s a kind of jealousy, I suppose. So I think it’s possible to read Evil One’s statement without necessarily jumping to the conclusion that he must have meant “liberals”. 😉 Note: This post is guaranteed 100% free of political content. I have no dog in this fight. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/12 "2006-04-06T16:56:56Z")
Got any examples to point to while you’re calling it a “fact”, **Duck**? ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/13 "2006-04-06T16:58:35Z")
> [@wring](#): > > Nope, the crazy conspiratorial theorist can absolutely believe in heroics (after all, they are indeed the heros who ‘see through’ the lies etc.). They’d believe in the crazy conspiracy jus’ cause that’s who they are. Oh, absolutely. I’m not trying to psychoanalyze **VCO3** ; I’m just saying it is reasonable to assume **Evil One** is referring to him. > [@Duck Duck Goose](#): > > So I think it’s possible to read Evil One’s statement without necessarily jumping to the conclusion that he must have meant “liberals”. 😉 > Note: This post is guaranteed 100% free of political content. I have no dog in this fight. Oh, Christ, is _that_ what all this is about? Fuck, excuse me for wandering into the goddamned petty partisan bickering around here where anything and everything is taken as a swipe at Conservatives/Liberals, depending on the viewpoint of the poster. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/14 "2006-04-06T17:05:36Z")
I want to see evidence that anyone at all, liberal conservative or conspiracy theorist, has a problem with heroism and self-sacrifice. I think that accusing even the conspiracists of not wanting the victims to be heroes is a chickenshit, unfounded _ad hominem_. If you think the conspiracy is ridiculous, then attack the _conspiracy_. Accusing the conspiracist of “having a problem with heroism and sacrifice” is unfair, evasive, dismissive and fallacious. It’s exactly the same as accusing them of being pro-terrorist. It’s possible to believe in a conspiracy without hating the victims. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/15 "2006-04-06T17:06:34Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#): > > Fuck, excuse me for wandering into the goddamned petty partisan bickering around here where anything and everything is taken as a swipe at Conservatives/Liberals, depending on the viewpoint of the poster. Well it seems clear to me that it was, in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/16 "2006-04-06T17:07:05Z")
Evil One wasn’t talking about conspiracy theorists (a hearty fuck you to, guys!). THAT is what’s clear from his statement about people that are irritated by heroism. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/17 "2006-04-06T17:16:24Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I want to see evidence that anyone at all, liberal conservative or conspiracy theorist, has a problem with heroism and self-sacrifice. You are aware that many conspiracy theorists don’t believe there _were_ any victims of Flight 93? So to them the Charge of the Bunn Brigade never even happened? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/18 "2006-04-06T17:19:21Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > Hmmm. Perhaps people get upset thinking a cowardly enemy (for an extreme example a homicide bomber) might be inspired by the brave acts depicted in the movie? **Evil One** said that some people actually have a problem with the idea of the heroism itself, not the mere deptiction of it. It’s Suicide bomber, by the way. not “homicide bomber.” Only retards say “homicide bomber…” I also think it’s stupid to call them cowards. It takes balls to blow yourself up or drive a plane into a buliding. That’s not to say there’s anything virtuous about it. It just means that physical courage does not necessarily have any correlation to moral character. Lots of assholes can be brave. > [@](#): > > BTW: It makes much more sense if you include the rest of the post, which you so conveniently omitted. The rest of the post adds nothing and explains nothing. It’s just a lot of self-praising masturbation bout how much he loves the heroes. Who gives a shit? How is it relevant? ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/19 "2006-04-06T17:25:07Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Got any examples to point to while you’re calling it a “fact”, **Duck**? ??? Errmmm…you’re questioning my assertion that “some people are irritated by stories of heroism”? I wouldn’t have thought that was something that needed a cite. Seems to me something that’s self-evident. But, well, here ya go. [http://www.samizdata.net/mt/hippotime.cgi?entry\_id=7782](http://www.samizdata.net/mt/hippotime.cgi?entry_id=7782) > [@](#): > > Hasn’t the heroism of New York’s police officers and firefighters been trumpeted sufficiently from newspapers, TVs and T-shirts? [http://www.ccel.org/ccel/renan/hadrian\_pius.xxv.html](http://www.ccel.org/ccel/renan/hadrian_pius.xxv.html) > [@](#): > > He thereupon set himself to excite the wild beasts, to call to them, to tease them, in order that they might despatch him more quickly from a perverse world. Such heroism, far from touching the multitude, only irritated it. “Death to Atheists! Let Polycarpus be brought!” was the general cry. [http://www.cist.org/pv/fm/fr2522.htm](http://www.cist.org/pv/fm/fr2522.htm) > [@](#): > > Irritated by his heroism, the camp commander ordered that Father Kolbe be given a lethal injection. Sounds to me like at least a couple people there are irritated by heroism. [exits, puzzled] ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593/20 "2006-04-06T17:29:50Z")
Wow. A guy goes to have some lunch and returns to his first pitting. Where to begin…? My comments were inspired by **VCO3** and his conspiracy theory bullshit, but not completely in response to that alone. If you recall in the days following 9/11, the theory was bandied about that the story of Flight 93 was invented by the government as propaganda, that it wasn’t really true, that it wasn’t really THAT inspring after all, etc. Since the actions of the people on that plan affected me so deeply (and still do) my already present distaste for such individuals grew by a factor of ten. There is a certain cadre of people in this country that absolutely cannot stand any sort of display of simple patriotism or any other sort of indication that the United States is anything more than a den of evil “corporate drones” who sit around keeping the righteous under thier evil thumbs while polishing their monacles. I know they exist. I have spoken to them. I have read their posts. Right now, some of them are reading my words…getting annoyed but not knowing how to respond without proving my point for me. I hope this makes my feelings clearer, **Dio.** By the way, it was somewhat intellectually dishonest to leave off the last two sentences of my post. They provided context. I apologize if I hit too close to home. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evil-one-suck-my-dick/351593.md?page=2)