# Evilest Englishman/woman **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 16, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456 "2013-12-16T12:21:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/41 "2013-12-17T01:25:20Z")
He’s still alive but his song says it all: “I’d rather see you dead little girl than to be with other men… …you better run for life if you can, little girl.” ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/42 "2013-12-17T01:33:38Z")
> [@the\_diego](#): > > He’s still alive but his song says it all: > > “I’d rather see you dead little girl than to be with other men… > …you better run for life if you can, little girl.” That guy terrifies me with his twisted priorities, he made a lot of noise about eating and skinning animals, but not once in his long life has he disputed that trapping innocent people in cages, killing people for their flesh and wearing their skins is 100% ethical and okay. ---
**Author:** ![stui\_magpie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stui_magpie/32/11010_2.png) [@stui\_magpie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stui_magpie)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/43 "2013-12-17T02:53:09Z")
Douglas Jardine, hands down. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/44 "2013-12-17T03:52:53Z")
Bob Hope? ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/45 "2013-12-17T04:47:25Z")
> [@Namkcalb](#): > > That guy terrifies me with his twisted priorities, he made a lot of noise about eating and skinning animals, but not once in his long life has he disputed that trapping innocent people in cages, killing people for their flesh and wearing their skins is 100% ethical and okay. So I’m putting in my vote for whatever Englishman invented FONT SIZES. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/46 "2013-12-17T10:28:55Z")
> [@Marion\_Wormer](#): > > What? No votes for the Kray Twins? They were good to their mother. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/47 "2013-12-17T10:40:53Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Anyway, my answer is [Captain John Hawkins](http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_45.html), the first English slave trader. I’m sure there were English traders afterward who sold more people or were more ruthless, but their names are unknown to me. This guy isn’t, and he is the first representative of what grew to be the greatest slave trading empire in human history. That wasn’t even illegal never mind ‘evil’. At the time simple capitalism. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/48 "2013-12-17T10:41:29Z")
_Edmund, Duke of Edinburgh_ was very bad indeed with many a cunning plan - a horrid little man. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/49 "2013-12-17T10:46:26Z")
> [@stui\_magpie](#): > > Douglas Jardine, hands down. Nope. He didn’t ask anything from the Australian batsmen that he wasn’t willing to ask of himself. When the West Indian quicks gave England a taste of their own medicine the following year, Jardine stood up to it - even told Leslie Ames who was a superb batsman to get himself to the non-striker’s end while he, Jardine, dealt with “this nonsense” - and made the only hundred of his Test career. Australians have never been quick to cry when they’ve had the fast-bowling resources to bully the other side, but how they squeal when the boot’s on the other foot. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/50 "2013-12-17T10:51:00Z")
Let’s not talk about cricket please, especially against the Aussies… ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/51 "2013-12-17T10:53:27Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Let’s not talk about cricket please, especially against the Aussies… If you are talking about the current series there are two teams out there but only one of them is playing cricket. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/52 "2013-12-17T12:46:46Z")
I’d have to go with Cromwell. So awful that even revisionist historians haven’t managed to rehabilitate his reputation. > [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Didn’t Idi Amin claim to be a Scottish king? Would that make him English through some technicality? England and Scotland are different countries. ---
**Author:** ![Agnostic\_Pagan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@Agnostic\_Pagan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agnostic_Pagan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/53 "2013-12-17T18:10:09Z")
It is hard to single out any particular Englishman/woman since it appears to be a group effort, so those responsible for the opium trade and the ensuing wars against China, helping to destroy two of the largest economies and societies in the world with one go (though India was well on the way to destruction before then. So a special shout out to Robert Clive for getting that process going.) Side note - not being a strong student in this area, but how much power did Queen Victoria possess during this period, or had all functional power been transferred to Parliament by then? If she had refused to ratify the Treaty of Nanking, could she have been overruled? ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/54 "2013-12-17T19:26:30Z")
I wonder if you can call someone who was not born English as the most evil Englishman. Perhaps the most English person throughout the existence of a nation called England is the monarch. So where would William the Bastard fit in? The terrorism infected on South East England which was used to draw Hardrader into battle was pretty appalling, but then you can also count a few decades of murder mayhem and brutal suppression to his list of crimes. > **[List of massacres in Great Britain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_Kingdom)** > > This is a list of massacres that have occurred in the purely geographical definition of Great Britain, being in the countries of England, Scotland and Wales and excludes Northern Ireland and massacres in Ireland before independence. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/55 "2013-12-17T19:29:18Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > I wonder if you can call someone who was not born English as the most evil Englishman. > > Perhaps the most English person throughout the existence of a nation called England is the monarch. > > So where would William the Bastard fit in? The terrorism infected on South East England which was used to draw Hardrader into battle was pretty appalling, but then you can also count a few decades of murder mayhem and brutal suppression to his list of crimes. > > [List of massacres in Great Britain - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_Kingdom) He certainly had the most horrible funeral … allegedly, he was badly embalmed and, during his funeral, his corpse literally exploded from the foul rotting gasses that built up inside, sending his mourners fleeing in horror. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/56 "2013-12-17T19:38:00Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > I’m going for Cromwell. Aside from massacring his enemies, he also cancelled Christmas. The Pogues would certainly agree: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zSZw6KvzI-Y/hqdefault.jpg "Curse You Oliver Cromwell") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSZw6KvzI-Y) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/57 "2013-12-17T19:38:29Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > I wonder if you can call someone who was not born English as the most evil Englishman. Napoleon wasn’t born in France nor was he of French descent, but many consider him the most evil person from France. But he _was_ born French, true. Barely, though. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/58 "2013-12-17T20:18:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Napoleon wasn’t born in France nor was he of French descent, but many consider him the most evil person from France. > > But he _was_ born French, true. Barely, though. Against Pétain? Le Pen? King Argovax the Bloodgnasher? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/59 "2013-12-17T20:22:48Z")
Well, from outside France, Napoleon is viewed as evil. Within the borders, it’s probably a different story. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456/60 "2013-12-17T20:35:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Well, from outside France, Napoleon is viewed as evil. Within the borders, it’s probably a different story. 🙂 [we’re at least given a hunch](http://www.scottshephard.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/MG_7414.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evilest-englishman-woman/676456.md?page=4)