# Evolution Blogger Kept out of Creationist Movie... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2008, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193 "2008-03-21T05:04:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/21 "2008-03-21T15:10:57Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Following a link in your link, I found Kevin Miller’s [blog](http://kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwise_known_as_kevin_/2008/03/expelled-from-e.html) in which he defends his actions. Read the following comments in which he gets his ass handed to him. Pure comedy platinum! [/QUOTE] Wow. Not a word of agreement in the comments. Not only that, but most of the comments are fairly well-written. Blog wars! ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/22 "2008-03-21T15:18:29Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] Wow. Not a word of agreement in the comments. Not only that, but most of the comments are fairly well-written. Blog wars! [/QUOTE] Yeah, that is what I found most odd. I read the first dozen comments and they were all critical of him and all articulate. Very odd. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/23 "2008-03-21T15:18:50Z")
I actually laughed out loud at that story. Fucking hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/24 "2008-03-21T15:30:38Z")
[HIJACK] A very different special screening! On Wednesday, March 26, in 25 US cities, you can see **Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Separation Of Church And State… But Were Afraid To Ask.** It’s free, and it’s open to everyone (yes, even open to creationists!) Go to [www.firstfreedomfirst.org](http://www.firstfreedomfirst.org) to find out more and reserve your free tickets. First Freedom First is a joint project of _Americans United for the Separation of Church and State_ [www.au.org](http://www.au.org) and _The Interfaith Alliance Foundation_. These are the orgs that are beating the Intelligent Design guys in court. [/HIJACK] ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/25 "2008-03-21T15:33:34Z")
PZ is one of my favorite bloggers. This totally cracks me up. I can’t wait to read the “official explanation” that they promise is forthcoming. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/26 "2008-03-21T16:00:51Z")
[QUOTE=CalMeacham] I didn’t ask if that WAS the case. I was surprised that it was the case. If the blogger were, say, James Randi, with his national reputation and his distinctive appearance, I could understand it. This sounds more like a case of a couple of people well-known in their local pond. [/QUOTE] I had no idea what James Randi looked like, so I imagined a white guy, soft chin, pale skin, soft features, thinning hair, eyeglasses, and then did an image search. Okay, so I was right about white guy, eyeglasses, and that’s about it. Not a very good guess for me. On the other hand, I could probably stand Mr Randi next to my dad and put baseball caps on both of them and you couldn’t tell them apart. So…distinctive appearance? I think not. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/27 "2008-03-21T19:22:30Z")
[QUOTE=Gala Matrix Fire] So…distinctive appearance? I think not. [/QUOTE] You don’t think so? I do. But I’ve also seen him on TV a number of times. He’s been in the public spotlight for 60 years. Dawkins, on the other hand, is not that distinctive looking and AFAIK has not had his face in the public eye nearly as much. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Badger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/848f3c/32.png) [@Dead\_Badger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Badger)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/28 "2008-03-21T19:45:51Z")
He’s been lampooned by South Park\* (in a three-parter, no doubt; surely at least _one_ of the episodes was screened at Bible study). I’d say he’s more recognisable than Randi, although neither are exactly household faces. You’d certainly expect people engaged in making an anti-anti-creationism movie to be more familiar with him than with Randi, no? (\*although granted, in real life he’s very rarely seen having hot monkey sex with transsexual kindergarten teachers. That may be what threw the film producers.) ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/29 "2008-03-21T20:00:08Z")
[QUOTE=Dead Badger] You’d certainly expect people engaged in making an anti-anti-creationism movie to be more familiar with him than with Randi, no? [/QUOTE] I try not to get into the heads of those people. But personally, it’s far easier for me to recognize Randi than Dawkins. To me Dawkins has a fairly generic look, like a basic businessman. Randi’s got that white beard and the glasses and stuff. That’s the kind of stuff I tend to notice. And like I said, he’s been a professional performer for over 60 years. But you’d think that the event organizers would recognize Dawkins’ NAME, for Og’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![JR\_Brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JR\_Brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JR_Brown)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/30 "2008-03-21T20:36:57Z")
[QUOTE=cricetus] Here’s recreational outrage with a touch of brilliant irony… [http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php](http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php) Follow the link for the brilliant irony part. [/QUOTE] That page crashes Safari with 100% efficiency. Not before I made it through the post, though. Go Dawkins go! 🙂 JRB ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/31 "2008-03-21T20:50:08Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] But you’d think that the event organizers would recognize Dawkins’ NAME, for Og’s sake. [/QUOTE] Especially because he was in the freakin’ movie! He obviously got recognized when he was inside. There was some speculation in the responses that PZ’s beard gave him away. But speculating on what they were thinking makes my head hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Mycroft\_H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/898d66/32.png) [@Mycroft\_H](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mycroft_H)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/32 "2008-03-21T20:51:14Z")
As a Minnesotan I’m disappointed that he theater manager told Meyers to leave the area. For me it’s one more strike against the Mall of America, or at least the movie theater there. Great story! ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/33 "2008-03-21T21:02:47Z")
> [@](#): > > So…distinctive appearance? I think not. i grew up watching Randi on TV, then reading his skeptical stuff. **I** say he’s distinctive. When they put his face on a Yanomamo on the cover of Skeptic a while back, I immediately knew it was him. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/34 "2008-03-21T21:49:49Z")
That’s fucking hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/35 "2008-03-22T00:08:50Z")
Second most awesome thing I’ve heard today behind Lofa Tatupu resigning with my Seahawks! ---
**Author:** ![ticker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@ticker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ticker)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/36 "2008-03-22T12:09:37Z")
[http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/a\_late\_night\_quick\_one.php](http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/a_late_night_quick_one.php) > [@](#): > > This was a private screening with no admission charge, and you had to reserve seats ahead of time; you also had to sign a promise that you wouldn’t record the movie while you were there, **and they were checking ID.** They were checking if you were Intelligently Designed? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2008, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/37 "2008-03-22T18:02:01Z")
I’ve been following the development of this whole scandal for the past few days, and I have to see it’s really depressing yet morbidly amusing. This site has a collection of all the links: [http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/03/pz\_myers\_expelled\_gains\_sainth.php](http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/03/pz_myers_expelled_gains_sainth.php) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2008, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/38 "2008-03-23T05:19:36Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Following a link in your link, I found Kevin Miller’s [blog](http://kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwise_known_as_kevin_/2008/03/expelled-from-e.html) in which he defends his actions. Read the following comments in which he gets his ass handed to him. Pure comedy platinum! [/QUOTE] Oh man, I just plain out laughed…first at Miller trying to say ‘We took a haymaker to the face, need reconstructive surgery, can’t remember the number 3, but we’re doing great because of that!’ followed by _everyone_ calling him on that nonsense. I wish his humiliation would cause him pain. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/39 "2008-03-24T02:58:49Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Following a link in your link, I found Kevin Miller’s [blog](http://kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwise_known_as_kevin_/2008/03/expelled-from-e.html) in which he defends his actions. Read the following comments in which he gets his ass handed to him. Pure comedy platinum! [/QUOTE] Just looked at all the comments on Miller’s blog, and there are now a couple of shills promoting the looney view. The spin now is that to get to the online movie invitation you have to register through a page on which it says (somewhere) that the purpose of of the organization is to promote the ideas of ID. This somehow means that those who DON’t want to promote those ideas were registering under false pretenses, and were therefor excluded. Lame, seriously. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2008, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193/40 "2008-03-26T14:21:19Z")
One thing you have to respect, though, is that he is leaving the negative comments up. That is, of course, assuming he has the power to take them down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-blogger-kept-out-of-creationist-movie/442193.md?page=1)