# Evolution is only a religion and not Science **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 1, 2002, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524 "2002-09-01T04:55:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2002, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524/101 "2002-09-03T17:59:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Seems our James Jensen is yet a third James Jensen. So many JJs, so little time. JS, how do you know that our James Jensen isn’t really Dinosaur Jim having a post-death change-of-heart experience ala lekatt ? ::Ducks and Runs:: ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2002, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524/102 "2002-09-03T19:12:49Z")
[quote] Afraid someone will actually post the _missing link_ and take the wind out of your sails, eh? [http://thebruces.stormbirds.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7018](http://thebruces.stormbirds.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7018) or [http://thebruces.stormbirds.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6836](http://thebruces.stormbirds.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6836) ---
**Author:** ![QueenAl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/d26b3c/32.png) [@QueenAl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QueenAl)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2002, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524/103 "2002-09-03T19:45:47Z")
When dealing with ‘people’ like this JJ (as opposed to all the other James Jensens apparantly out there), I’m reminded of [this](http://www.edge.org/documents/adams_index.html) parable by Douglas Adams: > [@](#): > > A man didn’t understand how televisions work, and was convinced that there must be lots of little men inside the box. manipulating images at high speed. An engineer explained to him about high frequency modulations of the electromagnetic spectrum, about transmitters and receivers, about amplifiers and cathode ray tubes, about scan lines moving across and down a phosphorescent screen. The man listened to the engineer with careful attention, nodding his head at every step of the argument. At the end he pronounced himself satisfied. He really did now understand how televisions work. “But I expect there are just a few little men in there, aren’t there?” As for proving evolution - well, in the course of this thread I’ve seen a supposedly human OP evolve into a subhuman life-form right before my eyes, so that’s proof enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2002, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524/104 "2002-09-03T20:12:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mariamacl \* > How exquisitely rational (if somewhat scientifically complex) is the concept of a supreme intelligence, in a fit of creativity, and using whatever materials he happened to have to hand, creating the whole world that we know - cockroaches and all - in a mere seven days then maintaining a fatherly interest in it for all time! Erm … isn’t it a major point of Creationism that God created the world (seven days not being universally accepted as a timeframe) out of nothing? IOW, God didn’t have a recipe book calling for 18 tracts of land, a Hot-Ass Piece of Molten Rock and 5 bazillion gallons of water, all of which he had FedExed from storage;) > [@](#): > > There’s only one teeny weeny stumbling block to my full comprehension on which I’m hoping Mr Jensen will be able to enlighten me: Why did God make the woman out of a man’s RIB of all things? It’s not an obvious modelling medium but as they say the Lord moves in mysterious ways. I hope you’ll provide me with an answer. But please… no theories, philosphies, ideas, concepts etc. All of Creationism and your biggest problem is that Eve was made of a rib? Oh dear, that’s so precious:) And just because I’m that kind of curious guy … **F.U. Shakespeare** (I wonder if there’s someone who doesn’t have a pretty good idea what that means…), is there any salient point you’re hoping to raise by saying the OPer is Mormon? ---
**Author:** ![musteion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@musteion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/musteion)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2002, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524/105 "2002-09-03T20:41:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by James Jensen \* > **I will not respond to theories, philosophies, ideas, concepts, definitions, speculation, or opinions these are all traites of religion and these can be argued in another forum but I will only deal with that which is posted as supposed but only contrived proof.** …which is an odd assertion, since that’s all you seem to offer. By not, yourself, opening a biology, geology, palentology, or chemistry book, you can’t claim that they have nothing to offer. Just because you choose to ignore existing evidence, it doesn’t follow that the evidence does not exist. If you really cared about learning, you wouldn’t make sagacious demands over the internet. Go to the talk.origins website, or better yet, educate yourself with textbooks. Self-imposed exile from the world of learning isn’t going to give you anything but ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2002, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524/106 "2002-09-03T20:50:13Z")
I thought **Mariamacl** ’s post was a masterpiece of deadpannery. “Explain this passage from your creation story for me, wouldja? Only no concepts, theories, ideas, etc. in your explanation – only evidence.” Takes the fight right back to the creationists, it does. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2002, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524/107 "2002-09-03T21:14:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Takes the fight right back to the creationists, it does. True enough, but I think the entire point of Mr. Jensen’s OP was to somehow level the playing field by asserting that “evolution”, however he defined it, was just as dependent on a non-evidential belief system as Christianity. Also, I note that he seems to have given up posting. Heat, kitchen, etc., I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2002, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524/108 "2002-09-03T21:41:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\ ***F.U. Shakespeare** (I wonder if there’s someone who doesn’t have a pretty good idea what that means…), is there any salient point you’re hoping to raise by saying the OPer is Mormon? \*\* Maybe it was a typo 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evolution-is-only-a-religion-and-not-science/126524.md?page=5)