# Ex-Republican strategist: Republican Party conservatism was always a lie **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 23, 2020, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812 "2020-08-23T10:29:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/182 "2020-09-11T21:45:11Z")
No I’m using your standards. You have defined “sexual assault” and have said that we shouldn’t trust rape claims by people who are mentally ill. So using your standards neither Trump nor Biden has been credibly accused of sexual assault. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/183 "2020-09-11T21:52:10Z")
Trump has certainly been credibly accused of sexual assault. Including by a then underage girl he allegedly raped at an Epstine event. And, then there’s the very article you posted which is certainly sexual assault, and by most people’s definition, rape. Seriously, you can’t, or at least shouldn’t post evidence that utterly undercuts your argument, then stamp your feet and demand it doesn’t count because reasons. Explain your position, because it looks to me like you ran away two weeks ago, then shoved a list of names that you hoped no one would look into in an effort to save face. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/184 "2020-09-11T21:53:12Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Trump has certainly been credibly accused of sexual assault. Including by a then underage girl he allegedly raped at an Epstine event Citation needed for that claim. I’ll be waiting. Tick tock ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/185 "2020-09-11T21:55:08Z")
" A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was **dismissed** in California in May 2016, refiled in New York in June 2016, and **dropped again** in November 2016." > **[Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl](https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit/)** > > A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016, refiled in New York in June 2016, and dropped again in November 2016. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/186 "2020-09-11T21:56:35Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > Citation needed for that claim. I’ll be waiting. Here you go. > [@](#): > > A woman who says Donald Trump raped her at a private sex party when she was 13 years old refiled a lawsuit against him Friday [note: the cite was posted in September 2016] , two weeks after voluntarily dismissing a suit based on the same claims. > > The new complaint, filed in the federal court in Manhattan, restates plaintiff Jane Doe’s claims of the earlier lawsuit. Namely, that she was lured by a recruiter to summer parties hosted by co-defendant Jeffrey Epstein at an Upper East Side mansion on East 71st St., tied to a bed and forcibly raped by Trump, who slapped her with an open hand and told her he would do whatever he pleased with her. > > Jane Does goes on to claim that after Epstein also forcibly raped her, he and Trump bickered over who should have taken the minor plaintiff’s virginity. > **[Rape Allegations Refiled Against Trump](https://www.courthousenews.com/rape-allegations-refiled-against-trump/)** > >      MANHATTAN (CN) – A woman who says Donald Trump raped her at a private sex party when she was 13 years old refiled a lawsuit against him Friday, two weeks after voluntarily dismissing a suit based on the same... ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/187 "2020-09-11T21:58:13Z")
LOL…I knew you what you were referring to and pre-debunked your claim. What else you got? ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/188 "2020-09-11T22:01:08Z")
“A 2016 lawsuit accused Trump, then a candidate for president, of raping a minor, but n **o evidence was put forth** before the case was dropped. …We rate this Facebook post **False**.” > **[PolitiFact - Fact-checking the claim that Trump has been 'exposed for raping...](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/03/facebook-posts/no-proof-donald-trump-raped-13-year-old-girl-1994/)** > > Amid the nationwide protests over the death of George Floyd, a black man who died in police custody in Minneapolis after ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/189 "2020-09-11T22:04:33Z")
You didn’t remotely debunk it. Seriously, you haven’t demonstrated that Biden was accused of sexual assault, except by Tara Reid, who is possibly mentally ill, and in actuality a con-artist. You haven’t debunked that Trump was actually accused of sexual assault, including by a 13 year old at the time. In fact, you posted an article showing that a 13 year old at the time, actually and factually did indeed accuse Trump of rape. And she’s not even close to the only one: > **[The 26 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct](https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12#ivana-trump-2)** > > Here are all of the allegations of sexual misconduct made against President Donald Trump, nearly all of which he has denied. You have failed utterly. It’s embarrassing. The fact that you’re strutting around with your nose so bloodied is cringey. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/190 "2020-09-11T22:05:45Z")
That fact check is that “Trump was exposed” it wasn’t for that Trump was accused, which is what we’re talking about. He factually was accused. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/191 "2020-09-11T22:11:08Z")
I see we have gone from “ **credibly** ” accused to “ **factually** ” accused. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/192 "2020-09-11T22:18:11Z")
He was factually accused. I have no reason to find her not credible. There are plenty of reasons she might have dropped the case. For instance, the most powerful person on Earth, who’s a vindictive rat bastard, that has a history of threatening people is a hard person to go to trial against. Even if you discount her, there are 20+ others. Who actually are accusing of sexual assault / rape, as opposed to the Biden accusers who are generally accusing him of invasion of personal space, being a shoulder patting grandpa. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/193 "2020-09-11T22:27:22Z")
As Politifact says, the woman accusing Trump of raping her at 13 put forth no evidence. Therefore while she “factually” accused she did not “credibly” accuse him. Now if someone “factually” accused Biden I think that would be considered “credibly” accused based on what we have seen with our own eyes: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdPyJiYENsQ) ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/194 "2020-09-11T22:30:29Z")
I find it funny (in a “ha ha ha barf” way) how people will try to paint Biden as a molester while justifying or waving off Donald “grab 'em by the pussy” Trump’s statements and actions. It so transparently demonstrates that _they do not care_ about sexual impropriety and molestation; they’re just trying to slander an opponent with whatever is handy. I’d listen to accusations about Biden by a person who is equally critical of Trump - or rather, _proportionately_ critical of Trump. Which would lead to, at worst, “Biden is the lesser of two evils”. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/195 "2020-09-11T22:31:27Z")
Both Trump and Biden are perverts. Does that help? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/196 "2020-09-11T22:32:28Z")
No one is accusing him of sexual assault, other than the aforementioned con-artist crazy person. You said: > 8 women have accused Biden of sexual assault. So, you’re utterly wrong in your claim that he was accused of 8 sexual assaults. And you won’t admit it. Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/197 "2020-09-11T22:32:37Z")
Nope. See how I italicized “proportionately” there? It matters. Biden has a mote. Trump has a beam. “They both have something in their eye.” ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/198 "2020-09-11T22:45:50Z")
Fortunately most people disagree with your assertion that sexual assault isn’t really sexual assault and that we should not trust rape claims from people with mental illness. • Sexual assault refers to sexual contact without consent which includes rape, sexual abuse, attempted rape, and **unwanted sexual touching**. From [https://www.rochester.edu/sexualmisconduct/whatissexualassault.html](https://www.rochester.edu/sexualmisconduct/whatissexualassault.html) “…Sexual assault is when someone **touches you in a way that is inappropriate and against your wishes** ” [Sexual Assault & Rape | OXME.INFO](https://oxme.info/cms/health/sexual-assault-rape) Any other part of the body that is **touched in a sexual manne** r. From [https://www.swarthmore.edu/share/what-sexual-assault](https://www.swarthmore.edu/share/what-sexual-assault) ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/199 "2020-09-11T22:53:22Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > Fortunately most people disagree with your assertion that sexual assault isn’t really sexual assault and that we should not trust rape claims from people with mental illness. Please don’t misrepresent my position. I feel like if you honestly think you’re correct you can do it without pretending I said things that I didn’t. > [@](#): > > • Sexual assault refers to sexual contact without consent which includes rape, sexual abuse, attempted rape, and **unwanted sexual touching**. > > From [https://www.rochester.edu/sexualmisconduct/whatissexualassault.html](https://www.rochester.edu/sexualmisconduct/whatissexualassault.html) None of the women in question said it was sexual touching, and themselves consider it sexual assault, except for the one who is a known con-artist that is in love with Putin, and might be mentally ill. > [@](#): > > “…Sexual assault is when someone **touches you in a way that is inappropriate and against your wishes** ” [Sexual Assault & Rape | OXME.INFO](https://oxme.info/cms/health/sexual-assault-rape) How many of Biden’s accusers say they they consider him to have sexually assaulted them? > [@](#): > > Any other part of the body that is **touched in a sexual manne** r. > > From [https://www.swarthmore.edu/share/what-sexual-assault](https://www.swarthmore.edu/share/what-sexual-assault) None of the accusers, with the exception of the lady that loves Putin, has a history of stealing from people, has changed her account several times, and might be mentally ill, say he sexually assaulted her. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/200 "2020-09-11T22:58:38Z")
They were sexually assaulted. Biden touched them in a sexual way that made them feel uncomfortable and that meets the definition. Your definition is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812/201 "2020-09-11T23:00:49Z")
He didn’t. The question is, now that you’ve failed utterly to make your case, and everyone in this thread knows it, how are you going to proceed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ex-republican-strategist-republican-party-conservatism-was-always-a-lie/918812.md?page=11)