Before debating science and evdience with kanicbird, read this:
and walk away.
If I’m reading this right, the “medicine” you took didn’t do anything for you. It was God’s love. If someone else with your exact symptoms took the same medicine they wouldn’t be healed unless God bestowed His love on them. So what was the purpose of taking the medicine? Was God’s love in the medicine? Could it not be given to you unless you swallowed it? I would think God could have instantly healed you, so what was the purpose of Him having to “inspire” you to buy the homeopathic medicine? Why not just cure you right off?
But let’s say God did inspire you to buy that particular medicine. Why a homeopathic medicine? Why not something more mainstream? Why not use just a regular glass of water?
Wow, salt water for a sore throat, who’d have ever thought of that? 
[spoiler]Sore Throat - Home Treatment
Home treatment is usually all that is needed for a sore throat caused by a virus. These tips may help you feel better.
Gargle with warm salt water to help reduce swelling and relieve discomfort:
Gargle at least once each hour with 1 tsp (5 g) of salt dissolved in 8 fl oz (240 mL) of warm water.
If you have postnasal drip, gargle often to prevent more throat irritation.
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/tc/sore-throat-home-treatment[/spoiler]:smack:
CMC fnord!
These remarks illustrate the problem not only with “birthers”, but with groups that repeatedly challenge scientific thinking on matters where the evidence is overwhelmingly against them.
No matter what solid evidence is presented to the birthers, they come up with new excuses and conspiratorial fantasies to wave it aside. Similarly, when antivaccination, anti-aspartame and anti-fluoridation advocates are presented with abundant research and clinical evidence refuting their claims, they make up new ones fertilized by conspiratorial thinking.
At some point, one has to recognize that there is a danger in being so open-minded that one’s brains fall out on the floor. Enough is enough, let’s stop wasting time and money on nonsense.
By the way: true believers in homeopathy may well also believe in the Healing Power of Prayer and Love, but that’s not how they justify their magic potions (it’s “succussion” that makes the water so very powerful). :rolleyes:
God uses us and His creation and lives in them. He has a path of healing through Love for each of us I believe. He does use direct laying on of hands, divine spiritual instant healing and healing through creation (medicines/other objects) - as it’s all God. God just doesn’t want to be the Big Guy in the sky, but wants to be our brother and our world. In having multi ways of healing, but one God, we get to learn about who He is.
In the case of the homeopathic medicine it may have to disprove my false belief that there was nothing in them that could heal. This false belief was in part from the SDMB. Also to accept other’s belief systems more readily and to expand mine and show that the person, in this case myself, is capable of finding a cure with divine help alone.
My understanding is that it is the vibration of the water by the few particles. The highest levels vibrations are of love, or something like that. I’m sure if you look into succussion far enough you will find Love in their somewhere.
kanicbird, I suspect nobody loves your brain.
Thank you Czarcasm, that was perfect, and I agree based on my post may I suggest you walk away and get some chicken soup 
Read CMC’s post, there was something in that medicine that could heal. A chemical called Sodium Chloride. It may have been labeled homeopathic, and had some nonsense about a random herb that supposedly heals when diluted enough. It doesn’t matter that the diluted herb does nothing, because the real medicine is the salt water, which acts in a way that can be shown by scientists who don’t measure love, just the effect of treatments.
Wanted to go more into this. The simple answer is I don’t have to know the method when it comes to God healing His child (me). I am the child and I trust the Father. This is akin to those who trust pharmaceuticals, you don’t have to know if the stuff was made by fractional distillation or fractional crystallization to be cured by it, though you are free to research if you wish.
I read that, if you believe that 2 quick sprays of salt water mist can cure a sore throat in 30 minutes Great!.
Why do you find the delay in releasing the long form suspicious? I don’t think that position bears up to scrutiny.
Lets say I accuse you of stealing an apple in Seattle. If you dismiss me, does that make you more suspicious? I continue to accuse you, and you eventually produce a receipt for that date from a shop in Washington. Aha, I say, why didn’t you come out with that straight away? It is clearly a forgery.
It’s possible to make a conspiracy theory out of anything. If the long form had been released immediately, someone would be saying “why are they taking this accusation seriously? They must have had a forged document prepared.” The original release of the short form back in 2008 was in occordance with normal Hawaiian Department of Health procedures, why is that suspicious? The case was answered as far as they were concerned.
For the most part, the birthers are the credulous ones. Many aren’t saying there is some doubt over the issue, they are asserting that Obama is not a US citizen, without any actual evidence to back this up.
Of course, it’s far beyond my resources and that of most people to carry out a proper scientific investigation of this. I can’t go to Hawaii and start interviewing midwives, or trawling through old documents. I don’t know for sure that Obama is a US citizen. I take a practical approach, I think in terms of probability. I know that many Americans are opposed to Obama’s presidency, and have a clear motive to throw dirt around. I’m very suspicious of the fact that there are multiple birther theories. There are reports of birth announcements in two local Hawaiian newspapers in 1961, which would not be an easy thing to fake. It is highly likely that Obama is in fact a US citizen.
This approach doesn’t always work. I don’t have enough information to make a sensible judgement on, say, what exactly happened in the Michael Jackson sexual abuse case. I also need to be wary of accepting information that confirms my prejudices.
How do you reconcile that with this:
In the second quote you seem to be saying the delivery vehicle is meaningless. It is God’s love that heals, not the delivery vehicle. Why would God want you to believe in something meaningless?
Either the homeopathy has healing powers or it does not. Absent the salt water, which we already knew about and doesn’t require God’s love, there isn’t anything in the homeopathy that would be considered active. On the other hand, if it was truly God’s love which healed, the homeopathy medicine was as it always has been: a placebo. Which is it?
I agree that ignoring requests that is seen as petty or distracting can be a valid strategy. It is interesting to me as to what got Obama to reveal it at so late a time when it seemed like there was no longer any reason to. It certainly is open to speculation. I would like to know more out of curiosity why the choosing to reveal it at all after not doing so for so long.
For the most part you are probably right (though what if the birthers are right). But isn’t the birther’s motto basically 'show me, I want to see proof, then I’ll stop. In this case you have a birther being told that there is proof that he can see for himself, when the birther actually asks for that proof he is labeled closed minded.
From the other side, it is also you who have no evidence that he was born in the US, just hearsay reported as fact by others. A lot depends on who you trust for your information and different groups trust different sources.
This is a interesting statement, wouldn’t it be great if everyone strives to do this.
It’s a little awkwardly worded, the first one was to indicate that God used homeopathy as a healing method for me personally (thus in the process disproving the my (false) belief that homeopathy can’t work). In the second I state that God sometimes used homoethapy as the delivery method of His love.
The medicine was a vessel containing healing Love of God. Quite possibly scientifically indistinguishable from the next bottle of medicine on the shelf behind the one I got. But for what every reason God chose to place His Love for my healing in that stuff.
Remember also that placebo’s do work and have been proven to do so, sometimes very effective.
This is great debates. Do you have any evidence for your incredibly childish notions of healing? Bullshit assertions are hardly convincing. Why should we take your word, over the evidence provided by science?
Your original quote:
This is unambiguously claiming it was God’s love that did the healing. Would the homeopathy have worked without God’s love?
If yes, then God’s love was unnecessary.
If no, then the homeopathy was unnecessary and nothing was proved about it.
Which is it?
If it required both, then clearly the homeopathy is useless without God’s love, and therefore useless to a great majority of people. In other words, no better than a placebo. It could have been a drink from a water fountain.
So we are back to it being God’s love that did the healing?
Exactly. How can you distinguish your experiences in this case from a simple placebo effect?
[nitpick]Without His Love there is no healing ever. [/nitpick]
Would homeopathy work if God didn’t place what I consider healing Love for me in it - no it would not have worked and homeopathy was unnecessary and nothing was proved about it. (again I am not trying to prove that homeopathy cures but state it is Love that cures)
But the same thing can be said of any cure including scientifically proven pharmaceuticals. They can not work without God’s healing Love, and if they don’t have that healing anointing of God they are unnecessary and nothing was proven about it - no matter what the substance.
If God chooses to heal through unproven substance X instead of proven substance Y that’s God’s will. I don’t see how you can make the claim that because God uses homeopathy to cure that is useless to many people. Cured is cured. I didn’t believe in homeopathy but tried it and it worked - it certainly was not useless to me. Also it is not required to believe in God to be cured by a chemical substance - I’m sure science has proven this.
The placebo effect is the same thing as well as the pharmaceutical effect or the crystal healing effect. If they work it is God’s Love that healed, God just chose that method.
It’s curious that God’s Healing Love™ doesn’t seem to be in a plain old relatively low molecular weight patented base of cocoa butter, cottenseed oil, sodium pyruvate, tocopheryl acetate, and petroleum jelly/white petrolatum/soft white parrafin when I put it on an infected cut, but mix some bacitracin, neomycin, and polymyxin B into it . . . and suddenly it’s there!
Neosporin GHL, now with extra God’s Healing Love™!
CMC fnord!
Ya’d think them sciencey types would work on getting God’s Healing Love™ into some cheap and readily available substance like dirt instead of those silly, expensive, molecularly complex, pharmaceutical thingies.
Alexander Fleming was an idiot!
Again, kanicbird, you’ve started a thread about how people should examine things for themselves, and in it, you’re saying everybody should take your word about God’s love and such.