# Examples of Failed Rebellions Given Official Public Support/Recognition **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 14, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571 "2024-02-14T21:09:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Falchion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e57/32.png) [@Falchion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falchion)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/21 "2024-02-15T15:26:40Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Are there memorials to John Brown? There are several in Kansas. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2024, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/22 "2024-02-15T15:39:27Z")
Simon de Montford (who lead a very successful rebellion in the 13th century, and introduced some remarkably modern looking representative government, until his defeat at the Battle of Evesham) has a memorial: > **[The Battlefields Hub → Medieval → The Evesham Campaign → The Battle of Battle...](https://www.battlefieldstrust.com/resource-centre/battlepageview.asp?pageid=597&parentid=586)** > > \[METADESCRIPTION\] ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2024, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/23 "2024-02-15T16:21:05Z")
Just a few. > **[Category:Monuments and memorials to John Brown (abolitionist)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Monuments_and_memorials_to_John_Brown_(abolitionist))** > > This category has only the following subcategory. > The following 10 pages are in this category, out of 10 total. This list may not reflect recent changes. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/24 "2024-02-15T16:28:01Z")
> [@md-2000](#): > > News articles when the statue went up mentioned that it featured Riel in a knee-length gown, but giggling schoolkids could peek under the gown to see that the statue was anatomically correct in the tradition of Michealangelo’s David. You’ve probably mixed this statue up with [bare naked Louis](https://leaderpost.com/news/local-news/icons-in-exile-how-reginas-riel-statue-and-other-monuments-disappeared-from-view), which stood on the grounds of the Saskatchewan Legislature in Regina for decades. A statue of Louis Real was commission by the Saskatchewan government in 1967 to commemorate Canada’s centennial. Sculptor John Nugent proposed an abstract design that Premier Ross Thatcher disapproved of. > [@](#): > > The arts board held a competition and Nugent submitted an abstract design of three elements: two large plates of steel and a single spike between them. If you see the maquette or model the Lumsden-based Nugent prepared, it takes only a little imagination to see in it two hands reaching out and one other element reaching out to the sky. It was, an “idea of an inspiration that was not realized, at least at that time,” Long remembers Nugent saying. Nugent was told to make something more realistic and he did. [![](https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/leaderpost/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/regina-sask-august-11-2016-a-maquette-or-sculptors.jpeg?w=564&quality=90&strip=all&type=webp&sig=S-YN-6QG1sTPo2K3NlqmzQ) ](https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/leaderpost/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/regina-sask-august-11-2016-a-maquette-or-sculptors.jpeg?w=564&quality=90&strip=all&type=webp&sig=S-YN-6QG1sTPo2K3NlqmzQ) There was, however, nothing worn under the kilt. Everthing was in perfect working order and visible to “giggling schoolkids” like myself. ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/25 "2024-02-15T16:59:44Z")
> [@md-2000](#): > > Bonnie Prince Charlie seems to have become a folk hero - especially tolerated since once he no longer posed a threat. Are there many memorials and statues to him? The monument at Glenfinnan is understandable. [The statue of Bonnie Prince Charlie at Derby](https://equestrianstatue.org/stuart-charles-bonnie-prince-charlie/) is more unexpected. Although they were hardly failures, there are two statues of Gandhi and one of George Washington in London. [Statue of Mahatma Gandhi, Parliament Square - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Mahatma_Gandhi,_Parliament_Square) [Gandhi statue - Bloomsbury : London Remembers, Aiming to capture all memorials in London](https://www.londonremembers.com/memorials/gandhi-statue-bloomsbury) [George Washington : London Remembers, Aiming to capture all memorials in London](https://www.londonremembers.com/memorials/george-washington) ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/26 "2024-02-15T17:19:14Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > > [@md-2000](#): > > > > Bonnie Prince Charlie seems to have become a folk hero - especially tolerated since once he no longer posed a threat. Are there many memorials and statues to him? > > The [Glenfinnan](https://www.nts.org.uk/visit/places/glenfinnan-monument) monument in Scotland. Not necessarily to Charles Edward Stuart, but there’s a [large memorial, and separate grave markers](https://cullodenbattlefield.wordpress.com/2018/01/19/grave-markers-at-culloden/), for the Highland clans that died at the Culloden battlefield. ---
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> [@JacobSwan](#): > > There are several statues of William Wallace, mainly in Scotland. There’s a memorial in London near where he was executed. > > There’s also a statue of Oliver Cromwell near parliament in London. Yes, he won and turned us into a republic, but the people later changed their minds and put Charles II back in charge. The U.S. had a tank named after Robert E. Lee in WWII. The British had a tank named after Oliver Cromwell. ---
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Tecumseh, to name a particular figure who had somewhat significant impact on US cultural history. But, otherwise, I suspect that there are a variety of museums and such dedicated to Native American uprisings and to slave uprisings by African Americans. I’d note that Russia seems to have a similar set of museums dedicated to the acts of Imperial Russia towards the native peoples of Siberia and other conquered territories. I would assume that there’s some mention of various uprisings, but I couldn’t say for sure. ---
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In Germany the revolution of 1848 (successful at first in the spring of 1848 with a triumph for democracy; crushed in 1849 after the revolutionaries concentrated on the details of the new national constitution while the reactionaries regrouped) is widely considered an admirable predecessor of today’s democracy. > **[Vor 175 Jahren: Die Märzrevolution von 1848 und ihr Vermächtnis](https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/wie-kam-es-zur-maerzrevolution-1848-in-berlin-100.html)** > > Am 18. März 1848 fand die Märzrevolution in Berlin ihren blutigen Höhepunkt. Warum ist die Revolution gescheitert? Was bedeutet sie für die Demokratie heute? ---
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> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Are there memorials to John Brown? Did John Brown lose, though? ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/31 "2024-02-16T14:56:24Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Tecumseh, to name a particular figure who had somewhat significant impact on US cultural history. > > But, otherwise, I suspect that there are a variety of museums and such dedicated to Native American uprisings and to slave uprisings by African Americans. Hmmm… Crazy Horse has a mountain of a statue under construction today (for the last many decades) in South Dakota. He was part of the force that wiped out Custer’s force. In cubic meters, that probably dwarfs the total statues of any others mentioned here. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/32 "2024-02-16T15:11:46Z")
> [@md-2000](#): > > > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > > > Tecumseh, to name a particular figure who had somewhat significant impact on US cultural history. > > > > But, otherwise, I suspect that there are a variety of museums and such dedicated to Native American uprisings and to slave uprisings by African Americans. > > Hmmm… Crazy Horse has a mountain of a statue under construction today (for the last many decades) in South Dakota. He was part of the force that wiped out Custer’s force. In cubic meters, that probably dwarfs the total statues of any others mentioned here. There is the carving on the side of Stone Mountain Georgia. It’s completed and has a laser light show. Take that Crazy Horse! ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/33 "2024-02-16T15:46:52Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Take that Crazy Horse! 90 feet by 190 feet? Malarkey! Crazy Horse got ya beat… > The sculpture’s final dimensions are planned to be 641 feet (195 m) long and 563 feet (172 m) high. And full 3D, not some wimpy bas-relief. ---
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Joseph Marceau (the only French-Canadian who didn’t return from his Australian exile, after the failed 1837-38 Rebellion) had fallen in love and got married, although he still had a wife living in Quebec (a good reason not to return). Their 11 children produced lots of descendants, and the Australian Marceaus have regular reunions. [Joseph Marceau » Migration Heritage Project (mhpillawarra.com.au)](https://mhpillawarra.com.au/?p=104) ---
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> [@md-2000](#): > > > [@Loach](#): > > > > Take that Crazy Horse! > > 90 feet by 190 feet? Malarkey! Crazy Horse got ya beat… > > > The sculpture’s final dimensions are planned to be 641 feet (195 m) long and 563 feet (172 m) high. > > And full 3D, not some wimpy bas-relief. But no lasers. ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571/36 "2024-02-17T18:28:49Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > > [@md-2000](#): > > > > > The sculpture’s final dimensions are planned to be 641 feet (195 m) long and 563 feet (172 m) high. > > > > And full 3D, not some wimpy bas-relief. > > But no lasers. But… it’s not finished yet. What are the odds a tourist ~~trap~~ attraction near Mount Rushmore will ecape the temptation of crazy light shows, considering even the Sphinx and the Pyramids have that? I’ve been to nightly shows in Hong Kong and Shanghai too, and concluded that some people should never have been exposed to lasers and LED’s. _♪ The future’s so bright I gotta wear shades…_ ♫ 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-failed-rebellions-given-official-public-support-recognition/997571.md?page=1)