# Examples of tactical or strategic game-changers, excluding the Bomb? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [July 24, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249 "2012-07-24T16:08:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/1 "2012-07-24T16:08:34Z")
See subject. I mean things that one side had and the other didn’t, at least for a significant time. Classical history encouraged. My first suggestions: Fire? Paleo slash-and-burn raids? The saddle. The Gatling Gun. The Colossus computer. The Bombe. Smart bombs. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/2 "2012-07-24T16:13:49Z")
RADAR was a huge bonus for the US navy the last few years of WW2. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Know\_Nothing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f04885/32.png) [@I\_Know\_Nothing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Know_Nothing)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/3 "2012-07-24T16:16:26Z")
[Greek fire](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_fire) [Canon](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople) used by the Turks in the fall of Constantinople. For message board battles, [wikipedia](http://www.wikipedia.org/) ---
**Author:** ![Ruminator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Ruminator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruminator)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/4 "2012-07-24T16:26:15Z")
> [@Leo\_Bloom](#): > > Classical history encouraged. According to Victor Davis Hanson, the modern machinery of “democracy” is a big advantage. > **[Victor Davis Hanson | Carnage and Culture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson#Carnage_and_Culture)** > > Hanson wrote the 2001 book Carnage and Culture (Doubleday), published in Great Britain and the Commonwealth countries as Why the West Has Won, in which he argued that the military dominance of Western civilization, beginning with the ancient Greeks, results from certain fundamental aspects of Western culture, such as consensual government, a tradition of self-critique, secular rationalism, religious tolerance, individual freedom, free expression, free markets, and individualism. Hanson's emphasis... ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/5 "2012-07-24T16:26:43Z")
Rigid steel armor and battle axes were a huge tactical advantage at the battle of Visby (1361)(defenders had mail armor, iron helmets, boiled leather arm & leg armor). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/6 "2012-07-24T16:28:41Z")
“Whatever happens we have got The Maxim Gun and they have not” Hillaire Belloc ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Bloom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leo_bloom/32/10377_2.png) [@Leo\_Bloom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Bloom)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/7 "2012-07-24T16:29:39Z")
I had thought of Greek Fire, but didn’t read the account close enough. You’re right. I effing forgot about radar. That’s a biggie. I didn’t get the reference to message board battles. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/8 "2012-07-24T16:32:30Z")
> [@Leo\_Bloom](#): > > The saddle. The big advance was stirrups. They allowed a rider to brace himself against the horse and swing a heavy blow without knocking himself off his own horse. It also made it much easier for a rider to control his horse with his legs and therefore be able to use both hands for fighting. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/9 "2012-07-24T16:34:36Z")
The compound bow. Greatly increased the range of a small bow and made it the equal of a traditional longbow. Made mounted archers possible. Rifling. Increased the range and accuracy of guns. Gunpowder graining. Made it possible to standardize and store gunpowder. This made gunpowder weapons much more effective. ---
**Author:** ![GreasyJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df705f/32.png) [@GreasyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreasyJack)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/10 "2012-07-24T16:37:09Z")
Old world diseases and Europeans’ immunity to them was a pretty colossal game changer during the European conquest of the Americas. ---
**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/11 "2012-07-24T16:38:19Z")
The [longbow](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_longbow)? The weapon itself may not really qualify because longbows were used throughout Europe, but the English developed the effective use of longbows in battle, and it gave them quite an advantage for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/12 "2012-07-24T16:45:42Z")
I think cannon is the biggest one. Before it military strategy was heavily based around seige warfare and castles. Anyone rich enough to throw up some walls could be a minor military power. After cannons, walls and castles became close to useless, and both warfare and society fundamentally changed. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/13 "2012-07-24T16:46:39Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > RADAR was a huge bonus for the US navy the last few years of WW2. You might want to check the [history of RADAR](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radar) [QUOTE=wikipedia] In the 1934–1939 period, eight nations developed, independently and in great secrecy, systems of this type: the United States, Great Britain, Germany, the USSR, Japan, the Netherlands, France, and Italy. In addition, Great Britain had shared their basic information with four Commonwealth countries: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and South Africa, and these countries had also developed indigenous radar systems. During the war, Hungary was added to this list. [/QUOTE] So, no, the US Navy didn’t have anything that everyone else didn’t also have. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/14 "2012-07-24T16:48:52Z")
Radio and other form of long range communications. The aircraft carrier changed several centuries of naval warfare by big gun warships. Canned food enabled armies to become much larger ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/15 "2012-07-24T16:50:18Z")
Bearing in mind we’re looking at things from the tactical and strategic angle rather than the technology angle: Fighting in formations rather than as individuals. From fighting in a phalanx to Roman legions to British troops at Waterloo forming squares against cavalry. Improvements in communications - telegraphy then telephone then radio - allowing vastly more rapid communications over ever-greater distances. The aeroplane. Logistics. Napoleon cocked it up; Wellington was the master of it. ---
**Author:** ![FasterThanMeerkats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@FasterThanMeerkats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FasterThanMeerkats)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/16 "2012-07-24T17:09:55Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > … > So, no, the US Navy didn’t have anything that everyone else didn’t also have. I think **drachillix** is referencing that the US implemented it faster and better than the Japanese and so gained a tactical advantage in both detection and firing solutions for naval ships that were otherwise comparable. According the OP’s guidelines, it seems appropriate for this thread. cite: The book _Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors_, published in 2005, about the battle of Samar. Read it two months ago and it stated the use of radar for firing solutions was a definite boon in that the US ships had it and the Japanese ships didn’t. EDIT: That may not be what **drachillix** was referencing specifically since I can’t read his/her mind, but I think it’s still on-topic. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/17 "2012-07-24T17:23:42Z")
Not just radar, but particular wavelengths of radar. Many nations had radar good enough for navigation, but accurately detecting ships and aircraft takes some precision. US radar got sensitive enough to detect submarine snorkels/periscopes. ---
**Author:** ![md2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@md2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md2000)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/18 "2012-07-24T17:39:53Z")
Cannon technology… For centuries, Venice’s position in a very shallow, difficult to navigate lagoon meant it was immune from invasion, army or navy. It was a major regional power. It did not even need city walls. then Napoleon marched up to the shore with cannons able to reach 3 miles to the city. The city fathers surrendered without a fight. Similarly, the small city-states of Italy and to some extent germany disappeared when military tech got to the point where a small city did not have the infrastructure to equip an army, and could not field one big enough to defend against the massive armies that the greater european powers could put in the field. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Steele](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecae2f/32.png) [@Lance\_Steele](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Steele)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/19 "2012-07-24T17:40:48Z")
Chariots, man. ---
**Author:** ![cornflakes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@cornflakes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cornflakes)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249/20 "2012-07-24T17:50:38Z")
The Colt revolver [gave repeating fire](http://books.google.com/books?ei=0N0OUP_BAorpqgGwsYGABw&id=EF7u6vvOdPMC&dq=%22but+it+shot+six+times%22+%22lone+star%22&q=%22but+it+shot+six+times%22+%22lone+star%22#search_anchor) to the Texas Rangers and helped level the playing field against the Commanche. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/examples-of-tactical-or-strategic-game-changers-excluding-the-bomb/629249.md?page=2)