# Except for ending Slavery, Fascism, Nazism, and Communism, war has not solved a thing **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 23, 2003, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651 "2003-03-23T23:41:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Logical\_Phallacy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Logical\_Phallacy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Logical_Phallacy)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2003, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/1 "2003-03-23T23:41:10Z")
You gotta admit, its a catchy slogan. ---
**Author:** ![presidebt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c37758/32.png) [@presidebt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/presidebt)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2003, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/2 "2003-03-23T23:45:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Logical Phallacy \* > \*\*You gotta admit, its a catchy slogan. \*\* Catchy and completely erroneous. Maybe you’re being sardonic… ---
**Author:** ![Super\_Gnat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Super\_Gnat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Super_Gnat)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/3 "2003-03-24T02:30:04Z")
U. S. slavery was _not_ ended by the American Civil War? World War II did _not_ defeat Nazi Germany? I’m a bit confused as to your comment, **presidebt**. ---
**Author:** ![vasyachkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c5a1d2/32.png) [@vasyachkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vasyachkin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/4 "2003-03-24T02:49:36Z")
what’s so great about ending communism ? if it ended, if it ever existed … ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/5 "2003-03-24T02:50:02Z")
And _I’m_ confused as to why this was posted in IMHO instead of MPSIMS. Buh-bye. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@Siegfried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siegfried)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/6 "2003-03-24T02:51:50Z")
Well, to be technical, the American Civil War didn’t end slavery. The 13th Amendment to the Constitution did that. The war was just to say “Hey, you states can’t split off because of states’ rights and slavery.” Of course, I’ve overly simplifying things, but I believe that’s the general jist of it. Also, war most certainly has not ended communism. At least three countries are still officially communist states, even though they’ve integrated a few capitalist ideas if the business section of the local paper is to be believed. War certainly didn’t bring down the Soviet Union; it’s own economy pretty much did that. And there are still active communist political parties all over the world. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/7 "2003-03-24T04:33:56Z")
“All right … all right … but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order … what HAVE the Romans done for US?” ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/8 "2003-03-24T04:51:14Z")
LOLOL - and they just happen to be the things that tend to get sort of …um… broken in wars. 🙂 \ - a couple of days ago - I was chatting with someone who had _never_ herd of “Life of Brian” OR, I think “Monty Python”. Huh - Remind me to avoid the younger generation. :)\ ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/9 "2003-03-24T04:59:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vasyachkin \* > \*\*what’s so great about ending communism ? if it ended, if it ever existed … \*\* Ahhh, the wonderful psuedo-deconstruction of thuggism or kleptocracy; “Of course, _real_ communism has never had a chance to be properly practiced.” Puhlease … ---
**Author:** ![Stonewall\_42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@Stonewall\_42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonewall_42)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/10 "2003-03-24T07:24:19Z")
Saying that the American Civil War ended slavery is like saying that the salary cap brought competitive balance to the NFL. ---
**Author:** ![Ringo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@Ringo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ringo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/11 "2003-03-24T07:32:32Z")
Man, that’s deep… ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/12 "2003-03-24T08:04:07Z")
All right, but no one’s arguing Nazism, right? I mean apart from our moderator holdouts. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@Siegfried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siegfried)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/13 "2003-03-24T08:29:42Z")
Well, there are Neo-Nazi’s running about, but I admit I’ve never tried to discover how much the two groups have in common. And, it’d pretty sloppy of me to say that without a doubt there is no Nazism in existence anywhere. After all, the only things that have ever been successfully ended by a war were the Tribbles by the Klingons and the All-You-Can-Eat buffet by me. ---
**Author:** ![bjohn13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@bjohn13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bjohn13)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/14 "2003-03-24T14:40:45Z")
There is, without a doubt, one policy war has not ended: Imperialism. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/15 "2003-03-24T16:28:34Z")
Of course, the Gulf War of 1991 didn’t end Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. Saddam withdrew his forces because he’s a good guy who peacefully saw the Error Of His Ways. WW2 had no effect on Hitler. He was going to trash his plans for genocide and world domination anyway, we just didn’t give him enough time. Also, the American Civil War had no bearing on the end of slavery. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/16 "2003-03-24T17:45:28Z")
Please cite a major communist country that was overthrown by war. Franco died in his sleep. Fascism in Spain and Portugal failed without war. Slavery ended in most countries without war. The US was the only major country that had a war as a result of slavery. If the South had not started the war, the number of free states admitted would have overwhelmed the South politically. The 16th Amendment would have happened in any case. In the same area, look what happened to Apartheid in RSA. No war there. No war has _ever_ ended a political idea. Wars only affect particular regimes. We eliminated Hitler, we did not eliminate Fascism. A political idea dies because it is viewed as a bad idea by increasing numbers of people. ---
**Author:** ![Oicu812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f475e1/32.png) [@Oicu812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oicu812)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/17 "2003-03-24T18:10:17Z")
Yeah, just ask the founding fathers of Carthage if war never solved anything… If you can find any. Or the French Revolutionists. Or the American. Or the English ones, for THAT matter. No political climate has EVER been changed by warfare. Just ask all the peasants who died at Hastings. Hmmm. Elthelred the Unready is probably grave gyrating as we speak. O ---
**Author:** ![\_etalhea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/779978/32.png) [@\_etalhea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_etalhea)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/18 "2003-03-24T18:45:34Z")
War ends Facism/Dictatorship/Nazism/(insert other -isms here) the way that vaccination has ended some of the worst diseases we’ve faced. No, it does not 100% eradicate the problem. Some small sample of it somehow seems to always survive. Some time in the future it wil always crop up again somehow. But that’s not to say that you shouldn’t vaccinate. You still have to take care of the immediate problem and put the situation as close to right as possible. The same with war. No, WWII didn’t eradicate the Nazi’s or their way of thinking. But it did remove the immmediate threat. If we hadn’t done what we did, he would have surely ruled the world eventually. We barely turned the tide as it was. War is and always will be a necessary fact of our existence. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/19 "2003-03-24T18:51:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by //\etalhea|) \* > \*\*War is and always will be a necessary fact of our existence. \*\* I strongly disagree with this. ---
**Author:** ![\_etalhea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/779978/32.png) [@\_etalhea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_etalhea)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651/20 "2003-03-24T18:54:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ladyfoxfyre \* > \*\*I strongly disagree with this. \*\* Wanna fight about it?😃 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/except-for-ending-slavery-fascism-nazism-and-communism-war-has-not-solved-a-thing/163651.md?page=2)