# Exhibitionism, cell phone cameras and the internet - oh my!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 3, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180 "2013-02-03T03:05:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/41 "2013-02-10T23:00:39Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I find it interesting that I say facial and you read ‘deliberately ejaculating in her eyes’. > > Couldn’t you say the same of cunnilingus? > > Again, I say tittyfucking and you read ‘mauling of breasts’/ If you can make a woman orgasm by tittyfucking her or ejaculating on her face, you are a remarkable lover indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/42 "2013-02-10T23:01:28Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > But that was separate from the humiliation angle; the graphic come-ons involving humiliating acts were completely unexpected. It was one thing to have flirtatious bone-heads hint that they loved performing oral or propose a buddy type arrangement; it was quite another to have aggressive bone-heads back me into a corner and tell me “Let me come over and do (above named acts) to you; you know you’d love that”. Not enough data to draw a proper conclusion, but the prevalance of humiliation porn coupled with my brief experience in the company of younger guys convinced me that easily accessible porn had changed sexual mores, and not for the better. I have to wonder how much of this is self selection though. I mean, these are guys who are evidently really clueless about women; the ones who aren’t that clueless aren’t going to act like that and won’t be noticed by you. > [@Troppus](#): > > How many portrayals have you seen of a woman using a man’s body part (other than the penis) to achieve friction induced orgasm and walking away with no concern for his gratification? I’ve never seen that one time. I wouldn’t even know how to search for such an act. Searching for “Femdom” and “orgasm denial” or “chastity (device or belt)” would probably get you that sort of thing and more. There’s also (spoilered for slightly NSFW language) cock and balls torture, aka cbt. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/43 "2013-02-10T23:05:22Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > If you can make a woman orgasm by tittyfucking her or ejaculating on her face, you are a remarkable lover indeed. That would be nice. Wouldn’t it? It would also be nice if you actually addressed the points I raised in my last post. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/44 "2013-02-10T23:10:16Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Searching for “Femdom” and “orgasm denial” or “chastity (device or belt)” would probably get you that sort of thing and more. There’s also (spoilered for slightly NSFW language) cock and balls torture, aka cbt. That seems more like S&M play; my complaint is that most of the widely available porn is all about the _man’s_ orgasm and pleasure, nearly always at the expense of hers, cause when the shows over for him, it’s over for her. And most of those acts that result in his finishing aren’t designed to make her feel good at all. She’s not a partner; she’s a target. I don’t find it offensive; people like what they like and if everyone’s a consenting party, it’s none of my business. It’s just woefully unbalanced, and the women are left out in the cold with little to no regard for their satisfaction. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/45 "2013-02-10T23:13:33Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I find it interesting that I say facial and you read ‘deliberately ejaculating in her eyes’. > > Couldn’t you say the same of cunnilingus? > > Again, I say tittyfucking and you read ‘mauling of breasts’/ Do you see a lot of cunnilingus wherein the scene is finished without the man’s orgasm? And no, I’ve never seen any gentle tittyfucking, it’s all pretty rough and not at all focused on stimulating the woman. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/46 "2013-02-10T23:14:18Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > That seems more like S&M play; my complaint is that most of the widely available porn is all about the _man’s_ orgasm and pleasure, nearly always at the expense of hers, cause when the shows over for him, it’s over for her. There’s a fair amount of porn where the woman does that (or worse) to the man. Most of it is written though I think. Visual porn leans heavily towards male tastes. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/47 "2013-02-10T23:25:40Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > Do you see a lot of cunnilingus wherein the scene is finished without the man’s orgasm? So a facial is only degrading if the man makes no effort to give the woman an orgasm afterwards? That seems to be what you’re saying here. > [@](#): > > And no, I’ve never seen any gentle tittyfucking, it’s all pretty rough and not at all focused on stimulating the woman. Huh, OTTOMH none of the tittyfucking in my files is rough. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/48 "2013-02-10T23:26:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Visual porn leans heavily towards male tastes. This is what I was referring to; agreeing with the OP. That men 30-35 and under who have been exposed to mainstream porn seem to have wrong ideas about mutual pleasure, and at least from what I’ve seen and heard, they actually believe that most women receive screaming pleasure from humiliation and subservience. Hopefully women of the same age have been similarly exposed and also find pleasure in recreating those scenes, but I think it’s more likely that they are frustrated by the imbalance. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/49 "2013-02-10T23:29:28Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > So a facial is only degrading if the man makes no effort to give the woman an orgasm afterwards? That seems to be what you’re saying here. > > Huh, OTTOMH none of the tittyfucking in my files is rough. If you don’t know the difference between a gagging, choking, blinding, suffocating facial and a messy blow job, I can’t really answer this question to your satisfaction. If you like it, cool. I don’t care to watch a woman embarrassed, in pain, or gagged for the sake of his pleasure. So you’ve evidence that tf can give a woman an orgasm? Or is it primarily an avenue for his satisfaction? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/50 "2013-02-10T23:43:44Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > If you don’t know the difference between a gagging, choking, blinding, suffocating facial and a messy blow job, I deny that all facials are gagging, choking, blinding or suffocating. > [@](#): > > So you’ve evidence that tf can give a woman an orgasm? Or is it primarily an avenue for his satisfaction? I never claimed a tittyfuck could give a woman an orgasm. Kindly cite the post where I did. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/51 "2013-02-10T23:46:29Z")
Troppus, just because a woman doesn’t orgasm doesn’t mean she doesn’t get physical pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/52 "2013-02-10T23:50:43Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Troppus, just because a woman doesn’t orgasm doesn’t mean she doesn’t get physical pleasure. Yeah, I’ve had sex before. It’s my understanding that many enjoyable acts are possible that don’t result in orgasm for either party. Doesn’t discount my point that most current mainstream porn shortchanges the women. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/53 "2013-02-11T00:07:04Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Really? Even a lesbian 3-way with Madge the manicurist, Josephine the Plumber and Mrs. Olsen? Because I’ve been hoping for that since I was four years old. plenty of fluids there. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/54 "2013-02-11T00:50:13Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > Yeah, I’ve had sex before. It’s my understanding that many enjoyable acts are possible that don’t result in orgasm for either party. Doesn’t discount my point that most current mainstream porn shortchanges the women. I take your greater point, but in making it, you have made many smaller points that are incorrect. I think it’s fair to call you on the smaller points that are incorrect, while conceding your greater points. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/55 "2013-02-11T01:02:51Z")
My wife enjoys doing things that I like, just for the hell of it sometimes. And sometimes I’ll do something like vacuum the living room without prompting. It all balances out. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/56 "2013-02-11T02:39:04Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > So you’ve evidence that tf can give a woman an orgasm? Wait, women can have orgasms? I thought that was a myth. And I’ve certainly seen no evidence for it. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/57 "2013-02-11T03:09:19Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > My wife enjoys doing things that I like, just for the hell of it sometimes. > > And sometimes I’ll do something like vacuum the living room without prompting. It all balances out. That’s nice. It also does nothing to invalidate Troppus’s point, which is that the vast majority of general audience porn consists mostly of acts that most women find no physical gratification in. Is there specialty porn that focuses on acts that might conceivably bring the average woman to orgasm? Sure, probably. Is it what I’m going to stumble upon when browsing free videos? Of fucking course it’s not. That shit is all and lubeless anal and titty-cockslapping and jizz-smearing and zero-clitoral-contact penetration positions and 10-minute fellatio scenes where the actresses _don’t even bother pretending_ to get off. This is really, really not a controversial fact. For christ’s sake, _ **Der Trihs** _ gets this. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/58 "2013-02-11T03:13:40Z")
> [@colander](#): > > That’s nice. It also does nothing to invalidate Troppus’s point, which is that the vast majority of general audience porn consists mostly of acts that most women find no physical gratification in. Is there specialty porn that focuses on acts that might conceivably bring the average woman to orgasm? Sure, probably. Is it what I’m going to stumble upon when browsing free videos? Of fucking course it’s not. That shit is all and lubeless anal and titty-cockslapping and jizz-smearing and zero-clitoral-contact penetration positions and 10-minute fellatio scenes where the actresses _don’t even bother pretending_ to get off. > > This is really, really not a controversial fact. For christ’s sake, _ **Der Trihs** _ gets this. I don’t know. Each scene seems to have some Cunninglingus. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/59 "2013-02-11T03:21:30Z")
> [@colander](#): > > That’s nice. It also does nothing to invalidate Troppus’s point, which is that the vast majority of general audience porn consists mostly of acts that most women find no physical gratification in. > > Is there specialty porn that focuses on acts that might conceivably bring the average woman to orgasm? Sure, probably. Is it what I’m going to stumble upon when browsing free videos? Of fucking course it’s not. That shit is all and lubeless anal and titty-cockslapping and jizz-smearing and zero-clitoral-contact penetration positions and 10-minute fellatio scenes where the actresses _don’t even bother pretending_ to get off. > > This is really, really not a controversial fact. For christ’s sake, _ **Der Trihs** _ gets this. Read post #54. Then, re read the rest of the thread. I never disagreed that the majority of porn was misogynistic and degrading to women. What I do disagree on is that- All facials involve blinding, choking, gagging All facials are demeaning All tittyfucks are rough and involve ‘mauling’ All tittyfucks are demeaning. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/60 "2013-02-11T03:24:27Z")
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