# Exhibitionism, cell phone cameras and the internet - oh my!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 3, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180 "2013-02-03T03:05:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/61 "2013-02-11T03:37:49Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Read post #54. > > Then, re read the rest of the thread. I never disagreed that the majority of porn was misogynistic and degrading to women. > > What I do disagree on is that- > > All facials involve blinding, choking, gagging > > All facials are demeaning > > All tittyfucks are rough and involve ‘mauling’ > > All tittyfucks are demeaning. I didn’t say that. I list examples of what I meant by humiliation porn, and that happens to include choking, gagging, blinding, hair and nose painting as well as rough boob mauling. I’m sure all your files contain nothing but the purest and most gentle tittylovemaking scenes and ejacustaches with no overspray on eyes, nose, or hair. Sounds lovely. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/62 "2013-02-11T04:02:18Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > I didn’t say that. Sure ya did. Let’s see > [@](#): > > Facials, gagging women during oral, laughing when they gag, laughing when they get stuff in their eyes, calling them names, ordering them around, titty f\*cking them, revenge porn, hidden camera porn, and hosing down their backsides You say facials right there, first in the list of things you find degrading. You also list tittyfucking. > [@](#): > > ist examples of what I meant by humiliation porn, and that happens to include choking, gagging, blinding, hair and nose painting as well as rough boob mauling. Again, you equate all tittyfucking with “boob mauling” ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/63 "2013-02-11T04:15:09Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Sure ya did. Let’s see > > You say facials right there, first in the list of things you find degrading. You also list tittyfucking. > > Again, you equate all tittyfucking with “boob mauling” Your weird defensiveness about your pet sex acts have something to do with your inability to read an entire quote without rearranging or adding words? > [@Troppus](#): > > Okay, you two. I personally feel that most of the easily accessible/free porn available is rather degrading to women, and most often portrays acts in which the men received gratification by doing things to women which are not likely to result in her pleasure. Facials, gagging women during oral, laughing when they gag, laughing when they get stuff in their eyes, calling them names, ordering them around, titty f\*cking them, revenge porn, hidden camera porn, and hosing down their backsides are common themes and while there are certainly women who enjoy being degraded or used, I doubt that many receive as much gratification from the degrading acts as the men who are gratified. This is clearly demonstrated in the aforementioned acts. > . ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/64 "2013-02-11T04:37:00Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Again, you equate all tittyfucking with “boob mauling” I didn’t see this earlier. There are nicer ways to show an appreciation of a partner’s breasts and share mutual pleasure in her assets besides squeezing them together to create a dry flesh tunnel for you to wildly hump until you hose down her face. She may enjoy seeing your pleasure, she may not mind indulging you, or she may ruh-heally hate to vacuum, but if guys weren’t into it, very few women would beg you to squash her breasts together and mount her like a bad dog. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/65 "2013-02-11T04:40:50Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > Your weird defensiveness about your pet sex acts have something to do with your inability to read an entire quote without rearranging or adding words? Ooh, mild personal attacks. You do not know, and I’m guessing don’t want to know, what my “pet sex acts” are. What defensiveness? If you feel I’m rearranging or adding words to your quotes, click on that triangle and report me. You included facials and tittyfucking in a list of acts you find degrading. If you don’t find them degrading, why are they in the list? ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/66 "2013-02-11T04:56:13Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I don’t know. Each scene seems to have some Cunninglingus. About 40% of general-interest porn videos include about 15 seconds of wan, low-impact vulva-tongueing that looks about as interesting and pleasurable as sitting briefly on a soggy, lukewarm dishrag. Sorry, but if you eat pussy the way they show it in most porn videos, you might as well just give up and save yourself some embarassment. Roughly 100% of the time, this act is then followed by an interminable hammering that I’m sure looks fun to you, but owing to necessary camera considerations puts zero pressure on the woman’s pubis. You know, the part where our nerves are? ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/67 "2013-02-11T04:57:42Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Ooh, mild personal attacks. You do not know, and I’m guessing don’t want to know, what my “pet sex acts” are. > > What defensiveness? You’re kind of grossing me out here. Your facial and tf manifesto is wasted on me, but maybe you should offer a poll and see if anyone else bites. I’m just not interested in this tangent enough to continue. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/68 "2013-02-11T04:59:19Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > You’re kind of grossing me out here. Your facial and tf manifesto is wasted on me, but maybe you should offer a poll and see if anyone else bites. I’m just not interested in this tangent enough to continue. Once again, you fail to address my points. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/69 "2013-02-11T05:02:32Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Ooh, mild personal attacks. You do not know, and I’m guessing don’t want to know, what my “pet sex acts” are. > > What defensiveness? > > If you feel I’m rearranging or adding words to your quotes, click on that triangle and report me. > > You included facials and tittyfucking in a list of acts you find degrading. If you don’t find them degrading, why are they in the list? Degrading or not degrading is not even the relevant question. To the receiver, these acts are not pleasurably physically stimulating. They feel as good as adjusting your bra or getting shampoo on your face. _We can’t come from that tedious bullshit._ ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/70 "2013-02-11T05:04:16Z")
> [@colander](#): > > Degrading or not degrading is not even the relevant question. It is to me. See my first post in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/71 "2013-02-11T05:08:17Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > It is to me. See my first post in the thread. Seems to me Troppus was listing two kinds of acts: degrading ones, and ones that don’t give physical pleasure to women. Her post was worded a little unclearly, and she certainly declined to clarify in favor of attacking you personally in a pretty gross manner, but that’s how I read it. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/72 "2013-02-11T05:08:19Z")
> [@colander](#): > > About 40% of general-interest porn videos include about 15 seconds of wan, low-impact vulva-tongueing that looks about as interesting and pleasurable as sitting briefly on a soggy, lukewarm dishrag. Sorry, but if you eat pussy the way they show it in most porn videos, you might as well just give up and save yourself some embarassment. > > Roughly 100% of the time, this act is then followed by an interminable hammering that I’m sure looks fun to you, but owing to necessary camera considerations puts zero pressure on the woman’s pubis. You know, the part where our nerves are? Sums it up. Watching tongues, hands, fingers, and dicks miss all the good spots, hammer away at awkward angles, and do things that would range from frustrating to maddening in bed isn’t stimulating; it’s irritating. It isn’t that the male actors, directors, and voyeurs have no idea how to give pleasure to another; it’s that her pleasure isn’t even contemplated or attempted. And yet the actresses are pretending to scream in ecstasy and beg for more…it’s misleading for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/73 "2013-02-11T05:12:13Z")
Hey **Doc** , I believe \*\*Mangetout \*\*found that you can actually nail jelly to a wall. He documents it on his website. Maybe doing so would be more productive than wasting your time here? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/74 "2013-02-11T05:16:05Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Seems to me Troppus was listing two kinds of acts: degrading ones, and ones that don’t give physical pleasure to women. Her post was worded a little unclearly, and she certainly declined to clarify in favor of attacking you personally in a pretty gross manner, but that’s how I read it. Yes, that’s what I meant, sorry I was unclear. And I’m pretty grossed out by the personal details he has shared, so I’m calling us even. He can defend his preferences without divulging marital arrangements. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/75 "2013-02-11T05:21:07Z")
This is why I like dancing bear I mean, what? Porn is bad :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/76 "2013-02-11T05:21:17Z")
Let me tell you something, I don’t really enjoy the act of tittyfucking, while it is a great visual for guys HOWEVER makes me feel like a cow about to be milked. I get much more pleasure from a man’s mouth on my breast. I am so bored with the cum on her face routine from porn. It’s been done 5 bazillion times and is just lame. Is there really nothing else you guys can do with cum? The “big deal” with romance novels, from what i remember reading, since a lot of them are written by women for women; women get more orgasms, more fun, and more steamy make-out sessions, and I read a bunch of romance novels during junior high and in high school. Colander makes a great point about cunnilingus, and a bunch of men either don’t want to learn how or don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/77 "2013-02-11T05:21:51Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > And I’m pretty grossed out by the personal details he has shared, so I’m calling us even. He can defend his preferences without divulging marital arrangements. What the hell are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/78 "2013-02-11T05:23:14Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > Yes, that’s what I meant, sorry I was unclear. I’m glad somebody finally clarified what you posted. > [@](#): > > And I’m pretty grossed out by the personal details he has shared, so I’m calling us even. He can defend his preferences without divulging marital arrangements. What personal details? ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/79 "2013-02-11T05:35:46Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I’m glad somebody finally clarified what you posted. > > What personal details? Ah, got your posts mixes up with Dr. Fidelius post. I’m sorry about that. To answer your question: In mainstream porn, I do find facials/bjs that involve gagging, blinding, slapping her with a penis and otherwise roughing her up, deliberately spraying her nose and hair degrading. Same for tf to completion. It’s rough and done with total disregard to stimulating her. These acts seem degrading because they turn a woman into a vehicle for the man’s pleasure, and her pleasure isn’t considered. I don’t know or care what is portrayed in S&M, mutually consenting parties can degrade and be degraded to whatever extent suits them. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180/80 "2013-02-11T05:39:44Z")
[QUOTE=DrFidelius] My wife enjoys doing things that I like, just for the hell of it sometimes. And sometimes I’ll do something like vacuum the living room without prompting. It all balances out [/QUOTE] That grosses you out? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exhibitionism-cell-phone-cameras-and-the-internet-oh-my/649180.md?page=5)