# Existing "major" DC superhero to come out of the closet - Who will it be? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 23, 2012, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794 "2012-05-23T05:24:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/61 "2012-05-23T18:01:41Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Yeah, but Orion isn’t anything close to “iconic” I think that depends on whether you use the man on the street’s definition of “iconic,” or the DC marketing department’s definition of “iconic.” I’m pretty sure they’d describe [The Ten-Eyed Man](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Eyed_Man) as iconic if they thought it would move more comics. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/62 "2012-05-23T18:11:02Z")
Black Hawk. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/63 "2012-05-23T18:14:23Z")
It’s nice to know DC’s intent of getting the attention of people who haven’t read comics in a while has been fulfilled. It’s surprising that anyone would think that Alfred hadn’t appeared at all for almost a year, though. I mean…it’s Alfred…doing Batman without Alfred would be all kinds of wrong. (FTR, there are currently 8 bat-branded books. Of those the only one Alfred hasn’t appeared in at all is Batwoman. He appears regularly in all 4 of the Bruce/Damien books - Batman, Batman & Robin, Dark Knight and Detective - occasionally in Nightwing and Batgirl, and in 2 issues of Batwing, when the story took that book to Gotham.) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/64 "2012-05-23T18:27:47Z")
That’s brilliant! Alfred! When the recent Batman movies came out I made the observation that Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman played Alfred and Lucius as a married couple. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/65 "2012-05-23T18:30:46Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That’s brilliant! Alfred! When the recent Batman movies came out I made the observation that Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman played Alfred and Lucius as a married couple. That’s not related to the comics, though, and Alfred appears to be ineligible. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/66 "2012-05-23T18:33:21Z")
If they want to give Alfred a shocking backstory, a better reveal would be that he is actually Bruce’s biologic father. All kinds of ways that could be spun. Thomas Wayne was sterile…Martha Wayne was drunk and horny one night…this idea is pure gold. It would, within continuity, give a believable explanation for Alfred’s lifelong devotion to Bruce. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/67 "2012-05-23T18:39:58Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Black Hawk. Revived as Black Chickenhawk. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/68 "2012-05-23T18:44:40Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That’s brilliant! Alfred! When the recent Batman movies came out I made the observation that Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman played Alfred and Lucius as a married couple. Were Caine and Freeman ever onscreen together in the new Batman movies? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/69 "2012-05-23T18:47:41Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Were Caine and Freeman ever onscreen together in the new Batman movies? Yes they were. I’m thinking particularly of a scene in which Bruce is in bed injured and Alfred and Lucius are tending to him like they’re his parents. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/70 "2012-05-23T18:51:31Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Yes they were. I’m thinking particularly of a scene in which Bruce is in bed injured and Alfred and Lucius are tending to him like they’re his parents. Oh, yeah - after he’s been dosed with the fear toxin in the first movie, right? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/71 "2012-05-23T18:53:34Z")
Could be. I can’t remember for sure. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/72 "2012-05-23T19:50:45Z")
He’s been mentioned unthread, but why not [Oliver Queen?](http://therealmcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/green-arrow-gif.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/73 "2012-05-23T19:52:54Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > He’s been mentioned unthread, but why not [Oliver Queen?](http://therealmcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/green-arrow-gif.gif) Oliver Queen is a notorious womanizer and serial adulterer. He’s had children with at least two other women while he was in a committed relationship with Dinah Drake Lance, or whatever they’re calling her these days. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/74 "2012-05-23T19:55:57Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > He’s been mentioned unthread, but why not [Oliver Queen?](http://therealmcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/green-arrow-gif.gif) Because it has to be somebody that has yet to appear in “The New 52” reformat. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/75 "2012-05-23T20:04:55Z")
Also, the last arc of his book pretty much put paid to the idea current Ollie is gay. (If he was, he’d have gotten in a WHOLE lot less trouble.) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/76 "2012-05-23T20:07:08Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > Also, the last arc of his book pretty much put paid to the idea current Ollie is gay. (If he was, he’d have gotten in a WHOLE lot less trouble.) Could I ask for a summary? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Il\_Palazzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Lord\_Il\_Palazzo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Il_Palazzo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/77 "2012-05-23T20:55:36Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Oliver Queen is a notorious womanizer and serial adulterer. He’s had children with at least two other women while he was in a committed relationship with Dinah Drake Lance, or whatever they’re calling her these days. [hijack]Ollie fathered one son (Connor) before he even met Dinah and the other (Robert) when he was _drugged and raped_ by the child’s mother, Shado. It’s not like the writers bother to remember this (I’m looking at you, Judd Winick) but it’s still canon (or was until the reboot.)[/hijack.] ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/78 "2012-05-23T20:57:12Z")
My guess is Catwoman. She sure loves her some pussies. EDIT: NM. I just remembered that it is going to be a male character. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/79 "2012-05-23T20:59:17Z")
Basically, Ollie falls for Skylark - beautiful blonde triplets (who claim a single identity), who seduce him, for the purposes of faking his death and bringing him to their supervillain father (who’s in the Ra’s al Ghul school of ‘the world’s going down the tubes, so I’m going to do something f’n insane to fix it’)…eventually one of them falls for him, and helps him get free…but one of the loyal ones uses his tendency to think with his little head to screw that up for them (it mostly doesn’t cause too many problems for Ollie himself, actually, happening in the last issue of the arc, but it really screws up the sympathetic Skylark). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794/80 "2012-05-23T21:03:59Z")
Do I have to be the one who points out it’d be kind of tacky to have as your gay superhero a guy named Queen? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/existing-major-dc-superhero-to-come-out-of-the-closet-who-will-it-be/622794.md?page=5)