# Exit before Brexit \[CNN Article on foreigners leaving UK\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 3, 2016, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549 "2016-10-03T04:20:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/21 "2016-10-05T11:06:37Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Which hs been my experience as well. I live in the south-east and there are many eastern european migrants here but I’ve heard no resentment or xenophobia in the run-up to, or aftermath of…the referendum. My college roommate is a Salvadoran-American who has lived in Deal, Kent with her (pasty-white) British husband for 20 years. She’s a fairly brown person, and immigrated to the U.S. at 11 and now speaks with a kind of bizarre Salvadoran/Long Island/British accent. (And her English is, of course, perfectly fine; she also speaks French and Italian.) In Deal, everyone knows her, and it’s fine. If she goes to Dover without her husband, everyone assumes she’s an asylum seeker and is nasty to her. But that’s been the case as long as she’s lived there, not just in the aftermath of Brexit. I’ve visited her there several times, and it’s a pretty pasty-white place. I literally don’t recall ever seeing another person of color where she lives. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/22 "2016-10-05T12:09:41Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Which could be until forever… do they think all those foreign-born doctors and nurses are there fighting the local ones claw and tooth for jobs? No. It’ll take 9 years to make up the difference. It was part of the announcement. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/23 "2016-10-05T12:11:55Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Why do I get the feeling that many remainders voted so because they were savvy enough to realize they did not want to need a visa every time they went to the continent? Right, the In/Out debate centered on visa convenience. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/24 "2016-10-05T12:13:21Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > …and lived in Swindon (midlands). The one time I was nearly beaten up was in Liverpool, when in a pub I foolishly aired comment about wanting Australia to win a cricket match. Swindon is not even near (midlands) and what on earth are you talking about with the cricket? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/25 "2016-10-05T12:43:19Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > No. It’ll take 9 years to make up the difference. It was part of the announcement. That assumes there are enough people entering medical school right now, with the right attitude, knowledge, interests… to substitute all those foreign doctors and nurses. What professions are supposed to lose an equivalent amount of students, and where are the medical professors coming from? Boris Johnson’s left armpit? Are IT folk and business consultants also going to be replaced in the minimum time required for graduation, and in that case again where are the people coming from? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/26 "2016-10-05T12:49:20Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > That assumes there are enough people entering medical school right now, with the right attitude, knowledge, interests… to substitute all those foreign doctors and nurses. > > What professions are supposed to lose an equivalent amount of students, and where are the medical professors coming from? Boris Johnson’s left armpit? Are IT folk and business consultants also going to be replaced in the minimum time required for graduation, and in that case again where are the people coming from? Right central Gov just plucked a policy out of its ares without extensive consultation and analysis. Fwiw, over half a million students a year enter higher education; 1,500 more places in that ebb and flow is literally nothing once the infrastructure is in place There really is no issue here. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/27 "2016-10-05T13:11:13Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Right central Gov just plucked a policy out of its ares without extensive consultation and analysis. > > Fwiw, over half a million students a year enter higher education; 1,500 more places in that ebb and flow is literally nothing once the infrastructure is in place > > There really is no issue here. The issue isn’t so much university medical schools, though numbers there are fairly tightly controlled, as the post-university training jobs in hospitals. > [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > No. It’ll take 9 years to make up the difference. It was part of the announcement. So was the announcement that the extra (post-university) training jobs in hospitals would be funded within the existing NHS budget. As indeed, 7-day working is supposed to be.So the existing funding is suddenly to pay for an extra 40% of staff time for 7-day working, and an additional however many training placements. And the RAF is shortly to be re-equipped with several squadrons of Gloucester Old Spots. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/28 "2016-10-05T13:16:43Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > So was the announcement that the extra (post-university) training jobs in hospitals would be funded within the existing NHS budget. As indeed, 7-day working is supposed to be.So the existing funding is suddenly to pay for an extra 40% of staff time for 7-day working, and an additional however many training placements. > > And the RAF is shortly to be re-equipped with several squadrons of Gloucester Old Spots. To what extent are course fees subsidised for medical students - fwiw, I see part of the deal is they agree to work in the NHS for 4 years post qualification, I don’t know on what salary level. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/29 "2016-10-05T14:16:21Z")
Get rid of all the people who’ve been artificially keeping the NHS solvent for thirty years? Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/30 "2016-10-05T14:31:42Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Fwiw, over half a million students a year enter higher education; 1,500 more places in that ebb and flow is literally nothing once the infrastructure is in place The infrastructure is not in place. It doesn’t pop up in place at the speed of a politician’s thought. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/31 "2016-10-05T17:54:16Z")
Hence the 9 year projection. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/32 "2016-10-05T18:44:19Z")
The infrastructure _for the training_ is not in place… and, again, where are the extra students themselves supposed to come from? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/33 "2016-10-05T19:02:44Z")
I know it’s the internet but please … You must have a sense of where more medical students will come from in a society that - here’s the clue - _has historically not trained enough doctors_: students who have wanted to train have been excluded by greater competition resulting from a low number of training places. I have no idea what infrastructure you are referring to - be specific, there are over 100 uni’s and uni colleges in England alone. If your maths aren’t good that would be 15 students per year per university institution. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/34 "2016-10-05T19:20:06Z")
You do know that universities don’t all have medical schools, right? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/35 "2016-10-05T19:36:19Z")
yeeeeeeees. There are about 25 in England. The 15 would be enrolling at medical schools instead of elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/36 "2016-10-05T20:07:55Z")
Hmmm, I think there is a certain amount of searching for a self fulfilling effect, report on the racist incidents and see if raising the profile of racism brings about a few more. Some stories are only reported because its fashionable in the media, I remember that all dogs were Rottweiler’s whenever there was a story of a dog attack - then they magically turned into pit bulls, then into pit bull types - until it turned out that that dog attacks were pretty much similar to previously and cut right across all breeds, including chihuahaus. I also remember the story of a little know recreation among teen druggies in Glasgow, this made glue sniffing much more widely known, and what a surprise to find that the nasty habit then spread nationwide - it was almost as if the Sunday filthies were trying to sell glue sniffing as a hobby to the masses. I’ve seen reports that there was not going to be a shortage of salt, which then caused a wave of panic buying - thus fulfilling the requirements of the self fulfilling publicity effect. The Brexit vote came as a huge shock, and now there seems to be a wave of self flagellation over it, where we seem to be accusing ourselves of being racist, and of course we have to justify that self accusation, or at least our media does. Truth is, racism in the UK is an absolute tiny fraction of what I have seen and experienced in the past, you just do not hear of Pakki Bashing or Wog hunting like you did in the 1970’s. Yes there are incidents, and the total might seem like a significant number, but against literally tens to hundred of million social interactions across the country every day, its really not a lot at all. OK don’t take it for granted but lets get a sense of proportion, we are a far better society than the panic stricken self flagellators would have you believe. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/37 "2016-10-05T20:52:51Z")
Doesn’t the UKIP have to come up with a new cause now that they won Brexit? “Kick them all out” sounds like the next great platform to run on. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/38 "2016-10-05T22:07:29Z")
To clear up the medical school student recruitment sideline: > [@](#): > > Currently half of those people applying for medical school are rejected, because of the limits on the number of places. > [@](#): > > Before individual medical schools are allowed to lift the cap on training places, they will have to show the government they are taking steps to attract students from deprived economic backgrounds. > [@](#): > > The Department of Health is expected to publish a consultation paper on the details of the plans later in the autumn. > **[Hunt promises to end NHS reliance on overseas doctors after Britain leaves EU](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/03/jeremy-hunt-promises-to-end-nhs-reliance-on-overseas-doctors-after-brexit)** > > Health secretary to outline plans in Tory conference speech for up to 1,500 additional training places every year in UK medical schools ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/39 "2016-10-05T22:09:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Doesn’t the UKIP have to come up with a new cause now that they won Brexit? “Kick them all out” sounds like the next great platform to run on. Long way to go yet. It will be an aspiration for, at the very least, two years. And possibly considerably longer … ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549/40 "2016-10-06T08:36:36Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > To clear up the medical school student recruitment sideline: > > > [@](#): > > > > Currently half of those people applying for medical school are rejected, because of the limits on the number of places. What do you call someone who only got into medical school when we dropped the standards to make up the numbers? Doctor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exit-before-brexit-cnn-article-on-foreigners-leaving-uk/767549.md?page=3)