Expensive college textbooks: Are students finding "creative" alternatives to paying?

I had a friend who used to buy all his textbooks at the start of the semester, run over to the local Kinkos, and have every page photocopied. Then he’d run back to the bookstore and sell them, or return them where possible.

The price you get for a used book is almost double when the book is in greatest demand- at the start of the semester, obviously.

It cost him relative peanuts to have the copying done, and he’d get back on average about 80% of the cost of his books.

I imagine this isn’t exactly legal, but it worked for him.

I have a book like that. One of my chemistry classes in grad school was just to fulfill a breadth requirement (most of the classes I’ve had to take are in organic) and I bought the book off Half for about half-price. The book had several stickers put on it which, if you peeled them back, said “Not for sale outside the Indian subcontinent.” I didn’t exactly feel bad about it, but I will say that the quality for that textbook is possibly the lowest of any of my textbooks.

Unfortunately, the one book I need for this semester cannot be found more cheaply anywhere in any edition. I don’t mind paying $100 or so for a high-quality organic chemistry textbook (or any other chemistry textbook, for that matter). What always annoyed me was things like the $150 Intro Psychology book. Things that were not only way overpriced but also useless to me after a semester.

Interesting point here. Spurred by this remark, I remember now that as a student, I would try to finish studying / sell back the book as far in advance of the final as possible (or at the very least immediately — minutes — after the exam) so as to maximize my potential return.

Made for some interesting cost-benefit analyses. (“Sell the book back now, get a C… but make $20 more. Wait a day and get a B. But only make $5 more. … What to do? What to do?”)

I’m really lucky that, once I got past my core major classes, my professors mostly assigned scanned-in segments of books that they posted online instead of having us buy 6-7 books for one class in one semester. This was a great thing, as, well, if I hadn’t been able to print out some of these articles, I would have spent several hundred per class each semester.

In one of the more annoying versions of the textbook scam, now the books come with software that can only be used once. For example, I have a Logic class this term using a text with accompanying CD; you use the CD to load programs that allow you to do logic problems in FOL. Then, you use the software to submit the answers to GradeGrinder, a private resource located in Stanford. The GradeGrinder grades the problems (right or wrong) and sends a report to the professor.

The kicker? You can only register once with the CD; after that, it’s useless for anyone else. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

No Resales. No Used book buybacks. :mad: :frowning:

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen any of my colleagues do anything actually illegal (such as photocopying copyrighted material) to cut their costs, but I have seen several other options. The most common, I think, is sharing of books: A few students will go in together on a book, or one student who values the book most will buy it, and others will borrow it. This is especially common for supplementary books, and for books used for reference after a class is over. The other day, one of my professors actually wandered into the office to ask if I had a copy of Schutz’s grey book (I didn’t, but referred him to another student who did).

Second, there’s checking the book out of the library. The library will generally have one copy of anything, and grad students here are allowed to check out books for an entire semester. The downside, of course, is that they usually have only one copy, so only one student can do this at a time for any given text. Of course, the most expensive books are generally for special-interest classes, which might only have five or six students in them, and library books are also often shared on request.

Third, about half of our grad students are international, and bring the international editions with them. Yes, they’re often shoddily bound, but so are a lot of American versions. And they’re often in other languages, but for the international students, that’s just as well. And the prices are typically only 10-20% of the American editions.

Fourth, an old version of the book will often be sufficient. It’s generally recognized, for instance, that the second edition of Jackson’s E&M book is superior to the current third, and my E&M profs both gave the chapter numbers for both versions. The problem sets were different, but that just meant you had to borrow a classmate’s book for about five minutes a week to see what the homework was.

Fifth, you can sometimes save money with some careful pre-planning. For instance, we only offer General Relativity every other year. The semester after the course had been taught, I was in the bookstore, and saw a few copies of Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler (recently bought back used from the previous class) for only $50, significantly less than even the usual used price. It was so cheap because it wasn’t being offered that semester, so demand was low, but I knew I would be taking GR eventually, and that when I did, MTW would probably be the text, so I bought it then.

Sixth, most professors will be merciful. I had a math professor, for instance, who wrote his own book, printed it at Kinko’s, and then sold it to us for cost (about $15, as I recall). Of course, most profs don’t have their own book, but they’ll generally do what they can to ease the burden, and sometimes will even loan a student their own personal copy of a book.

Finally, despite what the publishers may claim, it’s possible to sell a book cheaply. My orbital mechanics book, for instance, is currently only $30, and I think it may even have been less when I bought it. I’ve heard that this was a result of some action by Danby (the author), but even if he accepted no royalties at all, that wouldn’t account for the low price. Surely, if they can afford it for one (and in a relatively small subfield), they could afford it for all.

Prof checking in:

This pisses me off to no end. I would not use this book in my classes.

For what it’s worth I’m changing one of my texts next year because of the continual changes in editions that are of no real value. I have used the same book for nearly two decades, but for OGG’s sake :smack: Thermodynamics does not change every 3 years!!! No, you have not added extra value to the text by changing the numbers in the damn problem sets by 5%. They’re still the same damn problems.

[hijack]What do you think of that text as a general reference for orbital mechanics? I currently use Prussing and Vallado (1st ed., though) as my standard orbital mechanics refs, but Prussing is a little thin and Vallado seems to be a little too convoluted in some of his perturbation techniques for people I’ve loaned it out to (i.e. some of the techiniques he uses aren’t available in the standard toolkit for Matlab…dare we actually program in our own algorithms!)[/hijack]

Stranger

You are my hero. :wink:

Stranger

Actually, academia is part of the textbook scam. There’s no need for dozens of different textbooks on the same courses in most anything from finance, marketing and HR to calculus, geology, and chemistry. Yet the limited production runs are often a result of the proliferation of faculty-written texts. (At least in the more prominent schools.) Many professors require students to purchase their own textbooks or supplemental materials, when another text on that particular topic would do quite well.

This may explain why the textbook equivalent of online file-sharing isn’t well developed.

Well, it’s been a while since that class, and several of our assignments were non-book things (our prof was fond of programming assignments), but I remember it being decent. And at that price, it wouldn’t take much to be worth it. The professor said that there were two decent textbooks he could have chosen from, but the other (I don’t recall what it was) was three times the price.

I’ve just stared at people who complain that the college book store is out of the text. “You buy your books at the college book store? You don’t know of www.abebooks.com, or at least Half.com?”

I would venture to bet that my edition of Halliday and Resnick, which I used in 1977-78, would still be wonderful for teaching first-year physics. I doubt seriously that anything that has changed in the god knows how may editions since reflects any new information about the subjects taught therein. :dubious:

No you don’t - I was a Spanish major in New York, which admittedly is a better place to find Spanish-language boooks than Ann Arbor, but I bet one of these places (or any number of others) would help you out. ( used to go to Macondo, which is a cute little storefront place.) And you might be surprised how much Spanish-language stuff you can find on Amazon, etc. And for fiction, especially the classics like Lope de Vega or Borges or whatever, it’s not like the stuff changes or probably even that you need a specific edicition - few professors would care if you bought a different edition of Shakespeare than what was on the list.

[Hijack]Speaking of Halliday and Resnick, when I was a freshman, my roommate’s girlfriend got a question wrong on a physics quiz. The question asked her to define energy and her response was “the ability to do work.” That seemed correct to me, since that’s what I remembered being taught in high school, so I had the idea of calling Prof. Resnick to ask his opinion (since he taught at our school and I was bored). But he was out of town so instead we called Prof. Halliday, who was retired in Hanover, NH. He allowed that it was an acceptable answer, so she went back to the TA with that. (Something like, “Well, the author of the textbook said it was correct.”) The TA said he still thought she was wrong but gave her the points back for having the chutzpah to call the professor.[/Hijack]

Sorry for the hijack, but Halliday and Resnick doesn’t often come up in conversation, so I never have a chance to tell the story.

My Managerial Accounting class offers the text online also, with the new textbook around $125 and the online pdf version closer to $60 or so. I ended up finding a used copy online for only $40 before being told of the pdf option, otherwise I would have bought the pdf. I really like that they offered both, because I know of a few people buying the pdf and sharing it between 3+ people, to help keep costs down.

The only real complaint I have about text books is the fact that my university uses university-only editions for all the basic intro classes (US history, Political Science, exc). $140 for an UNBOUND book?! You can try to find a used copy around campus, except they change the edition every 3-4 semesters, so good luck. They also seem to have an obsession with shrink-wrapped book packets, with a thick piece of cardboard keeping you from being able to see the individual books inside so you can find them online for cheaper.

Theres one particular professor on campus notorious for making students buy the overpriced text ($150+), having to go online to buy access to graded quizzes (around $80), and then reaping the benefits because, of course, he is the one who wrote the book and created the quizzes.

I’ve had a few understanding professors that let you use older editions. My orgo prof last semester was especially generous – he’d give reading and problem sets from each of four older textbooks beyond the current edition. Unfortunately, although I got those texts for cheap ($35ish used for the previous edition) I can’t really sell them. As a result, I have a growing stack of intro texts in various subjects that I guess I’ll keep as a reference.

Also, buying and selling directly to other students is much better than going through any intermediary. For example, I’ll sell my textbooks online through Amazon, but only if I can’t find a buyer on campus. Without a middle man, I can buy for cheaper and sell for more money.

I once had a conversation with a colleague who complained that the bookstore had managed to obtain so many used copies of his text…

I’m in favor of a rule that professors not be allowed to require students to buy their books. If you’re the author you can provide it to your students as a series of handouts or a low-cost reader.

I think that the universities should provide the textbooks to students for free, and include a standard fee in the students’ tuition that covers the cost. You’d see a lot fewer useless textbooks being required once the university had to foot the bill.