# Explain the vitriol directed towards Jesse Jackson, please
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [July 12, 2007, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461 "2007-07-12T04:18:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 17
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### Author:  [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2007, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/121 "2007-07-17T08:04:19Z")
So it’s just because racist white bigots see Jesse and Al as uppity niggers, when they’re really Great Men? Got it.
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### Author:  [@Sumisu\_919](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sumisu_919)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/122 "2007-07-17T18:11:31Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra]
So it’s just because racist white bigots see Jesse and Al as uppity niggers, when they’re really Great Men? Got it.
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Whether they are great or not is irrelevant. The media has a fixation on them because they are controversial and dare to speak out on issues that would normally no one would.
Whites don’t want to hear or talk about racism unless their trying to co-opt it to their own advantage i.e. reverse racism claims with respect to affirmative action.
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### Author:  [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/123 "2007-07-17T18:43:59Z")
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
Whether they are great or not is irrelevant. The media has a fixation on them because they are controversial and dare to speak out on issues that would normally no one would.
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Well, I admit it’s getting rarer these days, but some people “normally would not” speak out on an issue that’s an entirely fabricated, fictitious crime.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/124 "2007-07-18T02:21:32Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo]
So the absense of any evidence is proof of a crime?
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No, just looking at what he does and how he’s paid.
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### Author:  [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/125 "2007-07-18T02:24:30Z")
[Here’s](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_pimp) what I think best describes the two of them.
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### Author:  [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2007, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/126 "2007-07-19T11:06:09Z")
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
Whites don’t want to hear or talk about racism unless their trying to co-opt it to their own advantage i.e. reverse racism claims with respect to affirmative action.
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Racist. 😃
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### Author:  [@Sumisu\_919](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sumisu_919)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/127 "2007-07-25T20:25:56Z")
[QUOTE=Scoundrel Swanswater]
Racist. 😃
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Right…are you in denial?
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### Author:  [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2007, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/128 "2007-07-26T04:27:51Z")
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
Whether they are great or not is irrelevant. The media has a fixation on them because they are controversial and dare to speak out on issues that would normally no one would.
Whites don’t want to hear or talk about racism unless their trying to co-opt it to their own advantage i.e. reverse racism claims with respect to affirmative action.
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The media has a fixation on them because they’ll say and/do anything, and that “anything” sells ads and ads pay the bills. Jesse Jackson is Louie Farrakhan without the bean pies and bow ties, and Sharpton’s a loud mouthed coat-tail rider. Neither of them are “leaders” they’re chatterboxes overflowing with loads and loads of blah, blah, blah. as a pair they lack substance.
Jesse Jackson Jr. however IS a leader, and a good one. He’s taken government to task, is helping direct some much needed fed money to the South Side of Chicago, and has done more in his tenure in Congress than his dad has done in the last 20 years. I’m happy to be in his district.
Oh yeah, by the way…Ain’t no such thing as “reverse racism” If you’re white and hate black people for being black, you’re a racist. If you’re black and hate white people for being white, you’re ALSO a racist.
That “reverse” nonsense sticks in my craw.
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/129 "2007-07-26T04:34:14Z")
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
Right…are you in denial?
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Is there any answer to this question that won’t confirm the state of denial?
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### Author:  [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2007, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/130 "2007-07-26T13:34:35Z")
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
Right…are you in denial?
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Not at all.
I just think it is funny that people like you always paint with those broad brushes you accuse other people of having.
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### Author:  [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/131 "2007-07-26T13:35:41Z")
And yes, the “people like you”-pun is intended.
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### Author:  [@Sumisu\_919](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sumisu_919)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2007, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/132 "2007-07-26T13:46:25Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308]
The media has a fixation on them because they’ll say and/do anything, and that “anything” sells ads and ads pay the bills. Jesse Jackson is Louie Farrakhan without the bean pies and bow ties, and Sharpton’s a loud mouthed coat-tail rider. Neither of them are “leaders” they’re chatterboxes overflowing with loads and loads of blah, blah, blah. as a pair they lack substance.
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I suppose pundits such as Rush and O’Reilly have plenty of substance? Whites tend to like them alot.
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> Jesse Jackson Jr. however IS a leader, and a good one. He’s taken government to task, is helping direct some much needed fed money to the South Side of Chicago, and has done more in his tenure in Congress than his dad has done in the last 20 years. I’m happy to be in his district.
Some things have changed in the last 20 years, which more than likely allows him to be taken more seriously as a black man.
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> Oh yeah, by the way…Ain’t no such thing as “reverse racism” If you’re white and hate black people for being black, you’re a racist. If you’re black and hate white people for being white, you’re ALSO a racist.
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> That “reverse” nonsense sticks in my craw.
There’s orders of magnitude more hate amongst white towards blacks than vice versa.
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### Author:  [@Sumisu\_919](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sumisu_919)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2007, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/133 "2007-07-26T13:47:46Z")
[QUOTE=Scoundrel Swanswater]
Not at all.
I just think it is funny that people like you always paint with those broad brushes you accuse other people of having.
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You mean the the sweeping generalizations that you’re making?
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### Author:  [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2007, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/134 "2007-07-26T14:46:20Z")
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
I suppose pundits such as Rush and O’Reilly have plenty of substance? Whites tend to like them alot.
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And neither of them are identified as “leaders” in the white community. They are pundits–Limbaugh is, specifically, an entertainer who happens to use political diatribes as his schtick.
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
There’s orders of magnitude more hate amongst white towards blacks than vice versa.
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Unless you have an actual study to provide evidence of this, I suspect that it is just wishful thinking on your part.
I am not claiming the reverse–that blacks bear an order of magnitude more hatred than whites–but there is simply not a huge amount of hatred by whites toward blacks floating around the white community. There are specific neighborhoods (typically where poorer whites are competing with blacks of similar wealth and education) where there is a higher incidence of anger than can become hatred. However, the vast majority of white people probably do not have any feelings toward blacks, as a group, one way or another and it is certainly not expressed as hatred.
You would be more accurate lamenting white apathy than hatred.
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### Author:  [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2007, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/135 "2007-07-26T15:10:49Z")
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
You mean the the sweeping generalizations that you’re making?
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You are really funny.
Don’t you see that you are making the same blanket, sweeping generalizations as the ones that you are decrying?
Pot, meet kettle.
Take for instance :
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> I suppose pundits such as Rush and O’Reilly have plenty of substance? Whites tend to like them alot.
Still don’t get it?
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### Author:  [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2007, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/136 "2007-07-26T17:53:09Z")
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
I suppose pundits such as Rush and O’Reilly have plenty of substance? Whites tend to like them alot.
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Oh good gawd no. Those two twits are even MORE vacuous and rabid than the previous two twits. Limbaugh and O’Reilly are entertainers and they admit it, Jackson and Sharpton don’t admit it, that’s the only difference.
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
There’s orders of magnitude more hate amongst white towards blacks than vice versa.
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Cite?
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### Author:  [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)
#### Post date: [July 27, 2007, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explain-the-vitriol-directed-towards-jesse-jackson-please/411461/137 "2007-07-27T08:16:50Z")
[QUOTE=Sumisu\_919]
There’s orders of magnitude more hate amongst white towards blacks than vice versa.
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But you would like to be the exception to the rule?
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