# Explicitly saying the Jews are vermin earns a note and not a Warning. WTF? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 13, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028 "2014-04-13T18:28:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/21 "2014-04-13T23:31:51Z")
Idle speculatation … The poster is likely one warning from a permanent ban. If so this should not be the offense that does it. Genocide as a source for humor takes a certain skill level to pull off. And a context in which the satire is understood. This was a fail, a very stupid choice … but with hateful intent? I don’t read it that way. The straw to ban someone over? Meh. Let the straw that breaks the back be a better straw. I do wonder if he really is in a suburb of Munich because the post-script of > [@](#): > > Does mold count? Because boy do I have problems with that. For some reason, we don’t get a lot of, well, anything else in the Munich suburbs. is actually kind of dark humor funny in context if it was really said cluelessly. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/22 "2014-04-14T00:27:16Z")
I thought it was funny in an “obviously crossing the line” sort of way. I also thought it deserved a warning. Sometimes we have to suffer for our art. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/23 "2014-04-14T01:01:30Z")
Matter is under discussion. We’ll get back to you. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/24 "2014-04-14T01:17:24Z")
I’m posting what I said in the pit thread about this: > [@Everyone should know what an asshole Budget Player Cadet is](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/45): > > So I’m guessing it’s the older posters who don’t get that it was a joke, right? > > Remember when your parents got angry at Lenny Bruce for being a potty mouth? This is like the same thing. Edgy satire of racism is okay now. Watch Tosh.0 or really any modern comedian. > > Do you think Colbert is really racist against Chinese people? > [@Everyone should know what an asshole Budget Player Cadet is](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/51): > > It holds a candle to actual racism, by framing the real racist, or in this case anti-Semite as a buffoon. > > You may not find it funny, but it is on some level, if you’ve ever seen natural [bismuth](https://www.google.com/search?q=bismuth&safe=off&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=JzFLU-arBYThyQHanoHgCg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=799). > …[snip] It’s just meta-humor where racist things are said absurdly. Note that just because it doesn’t pass your test as humor, doesn’t mean that it isn’t a joke. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/25 "2014-04-14T01:18:23Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/26 "2014-04-14T01:30:04Z")
I would be happy to see **Budget Player Cadet** leave the SDMB, for reasons better explained in other fora. But this particular offense, as clumsily handled as it was, seems clearly identified as an attempt at edgy humor, not as a serious expression of hate directed at Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/27 "2014-04-14T01:51:04Z")
Nonesense. That kind of so-called “Meta-Humor” only works in a context. In _Blazing Saddles_, we know that the town is full of inbred, _stupid_ racists, so when the old lady says “Up yours, nigger”, it’s funny. If, however, the old lady had just said it in the middle of an interview or something, it would NOT be ‘meta-humor’. BPC decided to just shit in the middle of a thread about exterminating vermin. The fact that he put /jk afterwards shouldn’t protect him. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/28 "2014-04-14T01:53:17Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m posting what I said in the pit thread about this: > > It’s just meta-humor where racist things are said absurdly. Note that just because it doesn’t pass your test as humor, doesn’t mean that it isn’t a joke. And I’ll repeat what I said in the Pit Thread: > [@Me](#): > > Yes, we know that. It’s still not funny. There is no creativity, it’s just stupid. **There was no element of racism in the thread until he brought it there.** Emphasis added. There is nothing “meta” about bringing racism (or antisemitism) into any random discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/29 "2014-04-14T01:54:52Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m posting what I said in the pit thread about this: Good lord, why? It was a stupidly condescending and vacuous post there. How does reposting it here help you? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/30 "2014-04-14T02:00:10Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Good lord, why? > > It was a stupidly condescending and vacuous post there. How does reposting it here help you? It explains the situation for people who don’t get it. Like you, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/31 "2014-04-14T02:00:45Z")
Meta is when some CT newbie comes in and tries to educumate us all about what the liberal media is doing to brainwash us about Israel, and someone else chimes in about The Joos. Or when we’re taking about off-board racists. This was just juvenile. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/32 "2014-04-14T02:01:40Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Meta is when some CT newbie comes in and tries to educumate us all about what the liberal media is doing to brainwash us about Israel, and someone else chimes in about The Joos. Or when we’re taking about off-board racists. > > This was just juvenile. That, I will agree with. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/33 "2014-04-14T02:02:22Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Idle speculatation … > > The poster is likely one warning from a permanent ban. If so this should not be the offense that does it. {_snip_} The straw to ban someone over? Meh. Let the straw that breaks the back be a better straw. So how many of these types of “jokes” do they let slide without warning then? More than for some other poster, simply because **BPC** is one warning away from being banned? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/34 "2014-04-14T02:05:16Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > That, I will agree with. OK, but I’d still like you to get off my lawn. 😃 That was meta. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/35 "2014-04-14T02:05:19Z")
It struck me as a failed attempt at dry humor. I’m fairly good at dry humor; it’s a tricky thing. And you step on your dick a lot when you’re learning how to use it. I’m glad it’s not my decision as to whether this is the straw to break the camel’s back or not. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/36 "2014-04-14T02:07:05Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > OK, but I’d still like you to get off my lawn. 😃 Psst! John, you want to borrow my cane to shake at him? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/37 "2014-04-14T02:07:33Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > Psst! John, you want to borrow my cane to shake at him? 😃 Was that meta? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/38 "2014-04-14T02:16:01Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It explains the situation for people who don’t get it. Like you, I guess. No. I get it. You’re just wrong. Meta-humor without context isn’t meta-humor, it’s just racist drivel. I love the fact that you’re tying yourself into a pretzel trying to defend this comment. Let’s propose a thought experiment: In the middle of a discussion about Obama’s health care law, someone comes in and, out of the blue, says “Obama’s just a dumb n_gg_r. He only wants to see white women’s boobies. That’s why he made the law–to get boob pics. He should be lynched. /jk :D” Meta-humor or racist threadshitting? ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/39 "2014-04-14T02:19:46Z")
Does BPC have a history of race- or religion-bating? Or was this an isolated incident where a joke went awry as described above and people are taking it seriously because they’re offended? Even if it was a joke, it’s not a clear line. Had he said, say, ‘niggers’, I think the inherent hostility of the word and the baggage it carries would have crossed a different line. Had he said something along the lines of ‘people who talk on their cell phones while in line’, it would have been extremely distant from any line. IMHO, ‘Jews’ is pretty far from the former, but a good ways past the latter. A note rather than an infraction seemed warranted, barring a pattern of rabble rousing or a broader undercurrent of anti-semitism in his posts. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/40 "2014-04-14T02:29:06Z")
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