# Explicitly saying the Jews are vermin earns a note and not a Warning. WTF? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [April 13, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028 "2014-04-13T18:28:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/81 "2014-04-15T04:16:31Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > So? Not believing in God doesn’t stop one from being a Jew. It it did SDMB’s Jewish population would shrink pretty dramatically. > > Anyway, if he doesn’t identify as a Jew that’s fine, I’m just wondering why he worded the statement like that. I don’t know BPC personally, but I do know people of Jewish descent who don’t consider themselves Jewish because they’ve abandoned, or never had, the faith. So I was just guessing. The call of bacon is hard to deny. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/82 "2014-04-15T04:17:41Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Not believing in God doesn’t stop one from being a Jew. What does that even mean? They still have filthy Jew Blood coursing through their veins or what? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/83 "2014-04-15T04:19:25Z")
> [@chacoguy](#): > > What does that even mean? They still have filthy Jew Blood coursing through their veins or what? It’s my understanding that actual belief isn’t required to be a Jew in good standing. Just obeying the laws. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/84 "2014-04-15T05:11:22Z")
> [@chacoguy](#): > > What does that even mean? They still have filthy Jew Blood coursing through their veins or what? Huh? Have you ever met or talked to people who were Jewish? It’s a nationality that you’re born into. There are plenty of Jewish atheists. Anyway, I was just wondering why BPC phrased it like that rather that saying “I’m a Jew”. Does he not consider himself Jewish? If so, why not? I ask because I’ve never known anyone raised by Jewish parents who responded like that other than people who converted to Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/85 "2014-04-15T05:15:29Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It’s my understanding that actual belief isn’t required to be a Jew in good standing. Just obeying the laws. Actually, according to tradition, if your mother is Jewish you are a Jew regardless of whether or not you believe in God or obey the laws. That’s why there are tons of Jewish atheists out there. Note, IMHO, if BPC doesn’t consider himself Jewish than he’s not, but it’s a really weird way to phrase it. I’m hoping he can clarify. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/86 "2014-04-15T05:20:42Z")
* * * > [@chacoguy](#): > > What does that even mean? They still have filthy Jew Blood coursing through their veins or what? **WARNING WARNING WARNING** Way way way out of line. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/87 "2014-04-15T05:30:14Z")
To bring this matter to a close, Budget Player Cadet is being formally warned. Ellen Cherry meant to go back and assign it but she has been out of town and not able to get back to the board, so I will do it. Budget Player Cadet, I must tell you that anything, anything at all, no matter how small it might be, anything that is is any way untoward will be the last thing you will ever do here. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/88 "2014-04-15T05:49:54Z")
Thank you, **Tuba** and the rest of the staff for your consideration. I think that that was the exact right way to handle it. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/89 "2014-04-15T08:03:54Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Thank you, **Tuba** and the rest of the staff for your consideration. I think that that was the exact right way to handle it. Actually, I think it’s the exactly wrong outcome. It was a dumb joke, albeit an edgy one, that failed. On the upside, given the new metric, it just became infinitely more likely that **Elucidator** will get banned. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/90 "2014-04-15T11:28:28Z")
Moving on, then… I personally thought chacoguy’s comment to Ibn Warraq didn’t deserve a warning. Obviously, he/she assumed (surely wrongly) that Ibn was disparagingly saying “once a Jew, always a Jew,” and parodied the anti-Semitic mindset that could have (though surely, in this case, didn’t) underlay that comment. So, incorrect assumption, yes; a bit over-the-top way of expressing critical astonishment, yes; but no more than that. (Perhaps I’m unaware of some back story which does put this into “warning deserved” territory.) ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/91 "2014-04-15T13:57:42Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I think that that was the exact right way to handle it. > [@magellan01](#): > > Actually, I think it’s the exactly wrong outcome. And there is moderating in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/92 "2014-04-15T14:11:23Z")
I don’t agree with **Chacoguy** ’s warning, for what it’s worth (little). Edit: But yeah, I do agree with **Smeghead** ’s point. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/93 "2014-04-15T14:14:50Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > And there is moderating in a nutshell. I’m offended by this! I have a nut allergy. My parents and grandparents had nut allergies. I’m oh-so-offended. And my aunts and uncles were sent to schools where some kids would routinely bring in peanut butter sandwiches. MODS, save me from this horrible offense I suffer!!! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/94 "2014-04-15T14:15:50Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > To bring this matter to a close, Budget Player Cadet is being formally warned. > > Ellen Cherry meant to go back and assign it but she has been out of town and not able to get back to the board, so I will do it. > > Budget Player Cadet, I must tell you that anything, anything at all, no matter how small it might be, anything that is is any way untoward will be the last thing you will ever do here. Can you share with us the precise reason for the Warning? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/95 "2014-04-15T14:24:39Z")
Orders came down straight from the Rothschilds. It’s out of their hands. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/96 "2014-04-15T14:38:11Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > edgierthanbismuth? edgierthanbismarck? ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/97 "2014-04-15T14:44:27Z")
BPC, you screw up one more time and the mods will flatten you like a pancake /edgierthanbisquick ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/98 "2014-04-15T15:57:54Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > On the upside, given the new metric, it just became infinitely more likely that **Elucidator** will get banned. **Moderator Note** This is ATMB. Personal jabs against other posters are not appropriate here. Don’t do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/99 "2014-04-15T17:20:12Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Thank you, **Tuba** and the rest of the staff for your consideration. I think that that was the exact right way to handle it. The moderators don’t necessarily give _the correct_ decisions. They give \*final \*ones. Which is the way it has to be, since universal agreement of the correct thing to do will never be reached. You aren’t vindicated by this, imho. You over-reacted because you didn’t understand the nature of the joke and took unwarranted offense. But nothing can be done now, so meh. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028/100 "2014-04-15T17:55:09Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Can you share with us the precise reason for the Warning? Being a jerk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explicitly-saying-the-jews-are-vermin-earns-a-note-and-not-a-warning-wtf/686028.md?page=6)