# Explosions at Boston Marathon **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 15, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781 "2013-04-15T19:16:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1181 "2013-04-20T14:18:47Z")
> [@Danja](#): > > Hopefully this incident causes our policymakers to reflect upon the causes of home grown terrorism (even if influenced by sources abroad), and also forces our media to realize the circus that they’ve become. The ratings will be through the fucking roof for this. What we’ve taught them to do is more of the same. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1182 "2013-04-20T14:22:22Z")
I, too, am surprised. IANAL, but I was under the impression that the “public safety exception” meant that if, prior to the Miranda warning, a subject answers a question asked in the interest of public safety (“Can you tell us where other bombs might be located?”), the answer is legally admissible. But many in the current discussion seem to be assuming it means that the suspect has lost his rights to counsel and silence. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1183 "2013-04-20T14:31:26Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > That’s exactly what Norway did with their home-grown terrorist. So did Canada (FLQ). So did Italy (Red Brigades). So did Germany (Bader-Meinhof Gang). So did France and Spain (Basque terrorists). So did the UK (IRA). All of them tried the people charged with terrorisim in the civil courts, under the standard rules of criminal law in each country. And the USA did the same against McVeigh, Rudolph, Kaczynski, et al. Those clamoring for a military commission and Gitmo for these guys are just opportunistically going “let’s find something over which to slam Obama about this”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1184 "2013-04-20T14:39:19Z")
Not that worried here. If the guy ever watched television, he already knows his Miranda rights. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1185 "2013-04-20T15:07:24Z")
And the New York Post strikes again, riling the Czech Ambassador: [Czech Ambassador stresses Czech Republic is not Chechnya](http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/348436): > [@](#): > > RFERL reported that a Czech media site noted “Chechnya is a suburb of Czechoslovakia” appeared on the website of the “New York Post.” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1186 "2013-04-20T15:08:28Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > And the USA did the same against McVeigh, Rudolph, Kaczynski, et al. Exactly; it’s standard operating procedure for western liberal democracies. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1187 "2013-04-20T16:01:29Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > And, again, he has the right to remain silent. Any lawyer worth his salt will advise his client of that. I think you may be missing my point, someone said this morning, a lawyer no less, that he may not be allowed access to a lawyer even if he asks for one. > [@WhyNot](#): > > Oh, I know. That was my point, actually. I have this right, but they don’t have to \*tell \*me about it. > > He has these (Miranda) rights\*, but they don’t have to \*tell \*him about them, in this case. > > The onus is on me as a citizen of this country to know about my right to refuse search without a warrant, not on law enforcement officials to educate me about that right. And, in reverse, if I somehow violate another person’s rights, I’m responsible for the legal consequences of that, because I am expected to know the laws and know their rights. I’ve never quite understood why the Miranda rights are treated differently from other rights in this way. But there is the problem, the only way I learned about such things is from this board. I know one isn’t supposed to take law from TV shows and movies, but I can’t count the number of times when someone asks for a lawyer on TV and the cops say, you can ask for one but we’re not giving you one. Personally I think these are the things that people need to be taught, I don’t know how people are expected to know these things if they are never exposed to them. I’ve been looking, but so far haven’t found an answer to what happens if he asks for a lawyer before they ask him anything. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1188 "2013-04-20T16:26:22Z")
Ok, I found one news source that says he will not have a lawyer present when he [speaks](http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17832252-whats-next-the-interrogation-of-the-boston-bombing-suspect): > [@](#): > > During that time Tsarnaev, 19, will be questioned by a federal government team called the High Value Detainee Interrogation Group, consisting of officials of the FBI, CIA and Defense Department. Though he will not have a lawyer present, any statements he makes during the questioning will be admissible in court. If they are correct I wouldn’t know. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1189 "2013-04-20T16:34:50Z")
> [@From link](#): > > The rule waiving the Miranda warning does not set a precise limit on how long a suspect can be interrogated before being advised of his rights, but it likely buys authorities no more than 48 hours. I believe the Russians have something like that. If they do not obtain a confession or evidence in 48 hours, they have to let you go. But they will beat the hell out of you for that 48 hours. > [@Also from link](#): > > “The least of our worries is a criminal trial which will likely be held years from now.” Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1190 "2013-04-20T16:37:54Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And the New York Post strikes again, riling the Czech Ambassador: > > [Czech Ambassador stresses Czech Republic is not Chechnya](http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/348436): > > > [@](#): > > > > Czech media site noted “Chechnya is a suburb of Czechoslovakia” appeared on the website of the “New York Post.” Maybe they were trying to say that it doesn’t exist and hasn’t existed for over 20 years? You know that sense of humor that the NY Post editors have… After all [“Is the New York Post Edited by a Bigoted Drunk Who Fucks Pigs?”](http://gawker.com/5994999/is-the-new-york-post-edited-by-a-bigoted-drunk-who-fucks-pigs) ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1191 "2013-04-20T16:49:34Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And the New York Post strikes again, riling the Czech Ambassador: They don’t give a link. I seriously doubt that NYP had that as a headline. “Appeared on the web site” probably means some idiot posted it in comments. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1192 "2013-04-20T17:17:13Z")
I wonder if “incompetent racist” is actionable. He may be quite competent at racism. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1193 "2013-04-20T17:29:14Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > They don’t give a link. I seriously doubt that NYP had that as a headline. “Appeared on the web site” probably means some idiot posted it in comments. Yeah, that wasn’t passing the sniff test for me, so I started looking into it. The best I could find is [this](http://www.rferl.org/content/boston-chechen-czech-twitter-marathon-bombing-suspects/24963035.html): > [@](#): > > The iDnes.cz website also suggests major Western media made the same mistake: > > In English, Chechnya is written “Chechnya,” which some Americans preferred to regard as a shortening of “Czech Republic.” It’s possible, however, that media adopted this information. One user writes that the headline “Chechnya is a suburb of Czechoslovakia” appeared on the website of the “New York Post.” Others insist that CNN and BBC wrote the same. > > By the time the story came to our attention, there was no evidence of such mistakes by those media outlets. There’s nothing concrete. My bet, as much as I dislike the NYPost and would love for this to be real, is that, at worst, it was in the comments section. I was reading the comments the other day and there was some bizarre idiocy going on there, with some users thinking the Chechens were fighting the Serbs and somehow the KLA got into the discussion. Just weird stuff. I couldn’t tell if it was actual stupidity or someone with a strange sense of humor pretending to be an idiot. ETA: Although that page does contain quite a boner from a former CIA agent, who does confuse Chechnya with the Czech Republic. Oh my. [Direct link](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F6RvSTiM3Yk#!). ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1194 "2013-04-20T18:48:11Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Earlier I heard it was the owner, but just now they said it was a passerby. I guess we’ll find out eventually. Guess I’ll have to wait for the final version of what happened but I’m just amazed that a bleeding fugitive can escape a neighborhood full of police with dogs. I mean, they’re going door to door looking for him you’d think a dog walking around the perimeter would have pickup up the scent. I’m basing this on the idea that the police thought he might be shot and would have called for dogs who were trained to identify that particular smell. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1195 "2013-04-20T18:57:56Z")
> [@Danja](#): > > I’m glad it’s finally over. Hopefully this incident causes our policymakers to reflect upon the causes of home grown terrorism (even if influenced by sources abroad), and also forces our media to realize the circus that they’ve become. I can’t really see this as home grown terrorism based on the things the terrorists said. If you come to a country and don’t make any friends with your new countrymen then your citizenship is a lie. That lie is carved in stone when you attack your adopted country. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1196 "2013-04-20T19:09:38Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Guess I’ll have to wait for the final version of what happened but I’m just amazed that a bleeding fugitive can escape a neighborhood full of police with dogs. I mean, they’re going door to door looking for him you’d think a dog walking around the perimeter would have pickup up the scent. I’m basing this on the idea that the police thought he might be shot and would have called for dogs who were trained to identify that particular smell. The boat was just outside the locked-down perimeter. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1197 "2013-04-20T19:43:11Z")
THis is America, darn it, and we have standards. I say, _first_ read him his Miranda warnings, and _then_ waterboard him. The world is watching. Let’s do things the right way! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1198 "2013-04-20T19:51:24Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > The boat was just outside the locked-down perimeter. That kind of makes Magivers point. If you’re walking dogs around the perimeter and someone breaks the perimeter the dogs should’ve picked up the scent. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1199 "2013-04-20T20:00:05Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > The boat was just outside the locked-down perimeter. Yes but he’s drawing a line as he walks. He didn’t parachute in. If the perimeter represents the location he started in then he should have been easy to find. If he was never in the perimeter to begin with that’s a different story. Maybe we’ll find out when the dust settles. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1200 "2013-04-20T20:00:21Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > The boat was just outside the locked-down perimeter. A block outside that perimeter, I heard. It sounds like he might’ve moved at some point during the day and I guess there was just no on in the area at that point. Dumb luck for him- not that it mattered. I’m surprised but pleased he was taken alive. I am not thrilled about the Miranda warning issue, not that I think it’ll make much difference. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781.md?page=61)