# Explosions at Boston Marathon **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 15, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781 "2013-04-15T19:16:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1201 "2013-04-20T20:01:50Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Yes but he’s drawing a line as he walks. He didn’t parachute in. If the perimeter represents the location he started in then he should have been easy to find. If he was never in the perimeter to begin with that’s a different story. Maybe we’ll find out when the dust settles. Did the dogs in fact walk the perimeter first? I don’t think we know that as fact. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1202 "2013-04-20T20:08:47Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Did the dogs in fact walk the perimeter first? I don’t think we know that as fact. I would think that you would work from the center outwards, or from one side to the other. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1203 "2013-04-20T20:18:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > A block outside that perimeter, I heard. It sounds like he might’ve moved at some point during the day and I guess there was just no on in the area at that point. Dumb luck for him- not that it mattered. I’m surprised but pleased he was taken alive. I am not thrilled about the Miranda warning issue, not that I think it’ll make much difference. A Miranda warning doesn’t really do anything in this situation. He’s carrying the evidence of a police battle inside him and it doesn’t really matter if he blurts out every little detail. The police know full well when it’s to their advantage to withhold it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1204 "2013-04-20T20:21:31Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > A Miranda warning doesn’t really do anything in this situation. He’s carrying the evidence of a police battle inside him and it doesn’t really matter if he blurts out every little detail. The police know full well when it’s to their advantage to withhold it. It matters to his defense. It is frightening that the Government has laws to change the law went they want to. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1205 "2013-04-20T20:26:46Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It is frightening that the Government has laws to change the law went they want to. I understand the concept of the exception here (and it’s several decades old), and the idea doesn’t bother me. I’m just not sure it’s relevant here since there’s no indication there was a broader conspiracy or more bombs. There could be, but there’s no evidence at this point. It seems like an extreme overabundance of caution to me and I don’t want to see it screw up his trial. That said, Tsarnaev isn’t talking now anyway. Gov. Patrick says he appears to be in no shape to communicate and I wouldn’t be surprised if he were in a medically induced coma. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1206 "2013-04-20T21:27:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I understand the concept of the exception here (and it’s several decades old), and the idea doesn’t bother me. I’m just not sure it’s relevant here since there’s no indication there was a broader conspiracy or more bombs. There could be, but there’s no evidence at this point. It seems like an extreme overabundance of caution to me and I don’t want to see it screw up his trial. That said, Tsarnaev isn’t talking now anyway. Gov. Patrick says he appears to be in no shape to communicate and I wouldn’t be surprised if he were in a medically induced coma. It was reported that one or more bombs were tossed at the police during the big chase/shootout, that Black Cap was wearing some sort of explosive vest, and that more bombs and bomb-making materials had been recovered. That sounds like an “indication” to me. It is perfectly reasonable to me for the coppers to ask whether the duo left any other bombs lying around waiting to explode. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1207 "2013-04-20T21:37:00Z")
> [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](#): > > It was reported that one or more bombs were tossed at the police during the big chase/shootout, that Black Cap was wearing some sort of explosive vest, and that more bombs and bomb-making materials had been recovered. That sounds like an “indication” to me. > > It is perfectly reasonable to me for the coppers to ask whether the duo left any other bombs lying around waiting to explode. They found a bunch of other devices in Cambridge and Watertown and we know how thoroughly they swept the area. The younger brother also had no explosives on him when he was arrested. Basically it sounds like they threw another pressure cooker bomb and some homemade grenades at police during the gunfight. One brother was shot to death, the other was shot and ran away, hid in a backyard for a time, and then later dragged himself to hide in the boat and probably passed out from blood loss. Yes, it’s reasonable to ask if there is still any other stuff out there - although they still haven’t done that because he can’t answer their questions right now - but the police and investigators are not giving any indication they think there are other devices or dangerous accomplices out there. Everything they have said and done suggests they think the emergency is over. To that end I think they may be going too far in a just-in-case type of situation, and I don’t want to see that screw up his trial. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1208 "2013-04-20T21:39:00Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It matters to his defense. > It is frightening that the Government has laws to change the law went they want to. [Actually, it was a Supreme Court decision.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Quarles) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1209 "2013-04-20T21:49:15Z")
I’m very disappointed that McCain is supporting enemy combatant status. He was one of the most outraged voices against VP Cheney’s enhanced interrogation techniques. This isn’t some guy we dragged of a far away battlefield. He’s an American citizen. Went to a well known Boston high school. Student at Dartmouth. He deserves the same treatment as any other citizen that committed a crime. This kid isn’t hardened like the men we fought in Afghanistan. He’s not even a street kid. The pics I’ve seen indicate he’s pretty much a yuppie middle class kid. You don’t need cattle prods and pliers to question him. > [@](#): > > Sens. Lindsey Graham and John McCain say suspect in Boston Marathon bombing, captured after being found in a boat in Watertown, Mass., left, should be held as a potential enemy combatant, denying him a court-appointed attorney and other legal rights under the ‘Law of War’ so investigators can learn about other possible attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1210 "2013-04-20T21:59:29Z")
How confident should we be that these two brothers were the only ones involved? ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1211 "2013-04-20T22:14:54Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m very disappointed that McCain is supporting enemy combatant status. I haven’t read your linked article, but that does sound like an asshole move on McCain’s part. My impression is that the older he gets the more he idealizes his time in North Vietnam. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1212 "2013-04-20T22:19:21Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > It matters to his defense. > It is frightening that the Government has laws to change the law went they want to. How? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1213 "2013-04-20T22:20:27Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > How confident should we be that these two brothers were the only ones involved? wasn’t there someone deported over this? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1214 "2013-04-20T22:23:42Z")
The article is interesting. This quote gave me chills. Thats not how America treats criminals. > **[King, McCain, Graham, Ayotte Want Enemy Combatant Status for Boston Suspect](https://www.nydailynews.com/2013/04/20/king-mccain-graham-ayotte-want-enemy-combatant-status-for-boston-suspect/)** > > Rep. Peter King (R-L.I.) and Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) Kelly Ayotte, (R-N.H.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) are urging federal authorities to declare Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev an ene… > [@](#): > > ``` > “We should be focused on gathering intelligence from this suspect right now that can help our nation understand how this attack occurred and what may follow in the future. That should be our focus, not a future domestic criminal trial that may take years to complete. > > ``` > > The public safety exception is a domestic criminal law doctrine that allows questioning of a criminal suspect without Miranda warnings for a limited time and purpose." ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1215 "2013-04-20T23:25:16Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The article is interesting. This quote gave me chills. Thats not how America treats criminals. > [King, McCain, Graham, Ayotte Want Enemy Combatant Status for Boston Suspect – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2013/04/king-mccain-graham-ayotte-want-enemy-combatant-status-for-boston-suspect) why? Where is your concern here? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1216 "2013-04-20T23:25:35Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > [Actually, it was a Supreme Court decision.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Quarles) Thanks, I thought it was the Homeland Security Act. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1217 "2013-04-20T23:28:19Z")
So this douchebag was freaking PARTYING with his pals on Thursday night while the manhunt was going on…after his brother had been killed? And the whole time his friends were looking at the TV going “wow man, that could be you!”. Unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1218 "2013-04-20T23:38:13Z")
It’ll be interesting to see how this guy is eventually charged. > **[Terror, murder charges could be filed against Boston bombing suspect | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-suspect-what-next/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)** > > Federal terrorism charges against Boston Marathon bombings suspect Dzhokar Tsarnaev could be filed soon, a Justice Department official told CNN. > [@](#): > > But Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Saturday that the suspect should not be held as an enemy combatant. > > “I am not aware of any evidence so far that the Boston suspect is part of any organized group, let alone al Qaeda, the Taliban, or one of their affiliates – the only organizations whose members are subject to detention under the Authorization for Use of Military Force, as it has been consistently interpreted by all three branches of our government,” he said. > > “In the absence of such evidence I know of no legal basis for his detention as an enemy combatant. To hold the suspect as an enemy combatant under these circumstances would be contrary to our laws and may even jeopardize our efforts to prosecute him for his crimes.” ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1219 "2013-04-20T23:41:18Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > So this douchebag was freaking PARTYING with his pals on Thursday night while the manhunt was going on…after his brother had been killed? And the whole time his friends were looking at the TV going “wow man, that could be you!”. > > Unbelievable. Thursday afternoon is when they released the video of him. He went out partying with his friends on Wednesday. Thursday night he went to 7/11 with his brother where they were identified. He was wounded during that battle which is why there was blood leading to his hiding place where he was found Friday evening. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/explosions-at-boston-marathon/655781/1220 "2013-04-21T00:19:53Z")
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