# Extreme vs. Extreme in 2016 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 21, 2014, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788 "2014-12-21T01:35:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/81 "2015-01-02T13:57:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > That should not be difficult. There are many factors to blame for middle class families being under stress, Wall Street being only one of them. The government is also to blame and historically has been a very rich target environment. There’s also illegal immigrants, teachers’ unions messing up your childrens’ future by failing to educate them, soft on crime liberals wanting to put an end to the very policies that led to our streets being safe once again, and soft on terrorism liberals who are putting Al Qaeda vets back into circulation. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/82 "2015-01-02T14:02:13Z")
Yeah, just try to sell that nonsense that having a few Guantanamo detainees released o Peru is as bad as how Countrywide screwed your neighbor on his mortgage. Let’s see if anyone buys that. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/83 "2015-01-02T14:10:12Z")
That’s only one of them. If that one doesn’t work, the others will. It always does. Democrats have tried the populist schtick for decades and failed. In the end, every voter knows that when they are walking home at night they aren’t looking for Wall Street CEOs skulking in the bushes. Democrats REALLY don’t want to get into the fear game with Republicans. We’re much better at it. Positivity has always suited your side better. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/84 "2015-01-02T14:16:27Z")
Besides, it’s so easy to portray Warren as a hypocrite. She supports billions in taxpayer subsidies to corporations. Ted Cruz would at least have the credibility as someone who wants to get rid of most of those subsidies. For the first time, the Ex-Im bank would be a Presidential campaign issue. Cruz would point out, correctly, how it’s a front for crony capitalism and Warren would defend it. Boom, her whole rationale for running is blown up and you’re just left with a rather extreme liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/85 "2015-01-02T14:36:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Democrats have tried the populist schtick for decades and failed. What values of “failed” account for two two-term presidents in the last two decades? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/86 "2015-01-02T17:48:08Z")
They ran as centrists. One of them even went out of his way to execute a mentally disabled person to show that he was tough on crime. This thread is about the extreme wings of the party. I believe that Cruz would take Warren down pretty easily if it came down to each side trying to make the public hate and fear someone. Wall Street is for the most part an invisible bogeyman. The Republicans talk about the visible ones that nearly everyone has experience with. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/87 "2015-01-02T20:50:42Z")
Ohhhh, if Democrats run as centrists it doesn’t count. What a load of crap. Name the last presidential candidate who ran in opposition to centrism, please. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/88 "2015-01-03T00:59:55Z")
I refer you to the failed runs of Walter Mondale and George McGovern, the Democrats’ most liberal Presidential campaigns to date, yet far to the right of how Liz Warren would run assuming she didn’t abandon her principles. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/89 "2015-01-03T01:19:39Z")
You can only name two losers who didn’t run as centrists. So, everyone else who hs run in recent history - Kerry, Gore, Bush I, Bush II, McCain, Romney - also ran as some stripe of centrist. Once again, your arguments are simply astonishing in how quickly they crumble under the slightest scrutiny. If I can ask, why is it that most of your posts end up being like the Hindenburg? It just takes such a little spark to make them go up in flames… ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/90 "2015-01-03T01:58:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > …Wall Street is for the most part an invisible bogeyman. The Republicans talk about the visible ones that nearly everyone has experience with. Gays? Muslims? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/91 "2015-01-03T03:07:46Z")
Keep **adaher** dancing, guys. Best entertainment I’ve had all year. ---
**Author:** ![DrumBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrumBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrumBum)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/92 "2015-01-22T13:44:50Z")
I would predict that Sen. Ted Cruz would win. I would not vote for him but I think this last election showed the ability of the GOP bosses to get voters energized, regardless of the candidates abilities. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/93 "2015-01-22T15:04:49Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Gays? Muslims? Ebola? Teachers’ unions? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/94 "2015-01-26T13:31:33Z")
Crime and terrorists. Never fails. ---
**Author:** ![DrumBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrumBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrumBum)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/95 "2015-02-03T18:32:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > \<\< snip \>\> > > In the end, every voter knows that when they are walking home at night they aren’t looking for Wall Street CEOs skulking in the bushes. I don’t think they need to. They seem to be quite open and unapologetic about their past actions and perhaps with the recent actions by Congress to modify the Dodd-Frank Act, they are even more embolden to take risks. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/96 "2015-02-03T19:46:03Z")
If something like this actually happened . . . if somebody like Cruz or Perry or Gohmert were to get the Pub nomination and mobilize the Tea Party/RW base, and if somebody like Warren or Sanders or Kucinich were to get the Dem nom and mobilize the progressive/LW base . . . I’m pretty sure the progressive would win. ---
**Author:** ![G-SE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f0a364/32.png) [@G-SE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G-SE)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/97 "2015-02-03T23:11:41Z")
> [@Octarine](#): > > Is strongly against the ACA; one of the central themes of his campaign is its repeal. Just curious… Since when is a position [supported by a majority of Americans](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/repeal_of_health_care_law_favoroppose-1947.html) considered “extreme”? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/98 "2015-02-06T16:55:28Z")
> [@G-SE](#): > > Just curious… > > Since when is a position [supported by a majority of Americans](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/repeal_of_health_care_law_favoroppose-1947.html) considered “extreme”? The ACA is now part of the status quo. If a majority of Americans wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve or Social Security, it would still be an extreme position. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/99 "2015-02-09T19:18:30Z")
BTW, [the Working Families Party is urging Warren to run.](http://www.thenation.com/blog/197393/working-families-party-urges-elizabeth-warren-enter-2016-race#) ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788/100 "2015-02-09T19:32:33Z")
I don’t really see why either candidate would be extreme. Do either one of them really have any positions that the rest of their party wouldn’t mostly agree with? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/extreme-vs-extreme-in-2016/707788.md?page=6)