# Ezekiel 38, Jeremiah 50 and the Bushehr Reactor **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 16, 2010, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412 "2010-08-16T13:56:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/1 "2010-08-16T13:56:11Z")
So, according to news reports, Iran’s Bushehr reactor, is going on line this Saturday, the 21st. What does this have to do with Ezekiel 38 and Jeremiah 50? Persia is Iran and despite what other people will tell you, Magog is Russia. The reactor, for those of you who don’t know, is **Russian** -made. Russia has been supplying Iran with nuclear toys and aircraft since the Clinton administration. Babylon, according to Google Maps, is about 400 miles away from this reactor. If contaminated (say by an accident or the Israelis), the fallout radius would encompass Babylon, rendering it uninhabitable (Jeremiah). So, are we poised to see one of the last unfulfilled Old Testment propehcies come true? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/2 "2010-08-16T14:07:20Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > Persia is Iran and despite what other people will tell you, Magog is Russia. Who are you, exactly, what is your expertise in this subject, and what is your documentary support for this assertion? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/3 "2010-08-16T14:11:57Z")
Isn’t Persia Persia, under the rule of Cyrus the Great, who conquered the Babylonian Empire in the 6th century B.C.? And weren’t Ezekiel and Jeremiah written in that same century B.C.? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/4 "2010-08-16T14:11:58Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > So, are we poised to see one of the last unfulfilled Old Testment propehcies come true? No, because the Bible is a book of superstitions that predates nuclear power by thousands of years. I don’t know what Gog and Magog refers to but I suspect that someone will be along shortly to explain that, like all the other End Times Bible prophecies I have seen, your interpretation of scripture is dubious. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/5 "2010-08-16T14:19:55Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > Russia has been supplying Iran with nuclear toys and aircraft since the Clinton administration. Iran made one (unconfirmed) purchase of Russian aircraft in or around 2007. The only aircraft Iran is _known_ to possess are American and Chinese. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/6 "2010-08-16T14:38:56Z")
400 miles? That would have to be one hell of a big accident. The Israelis could freaking _nuke_ the place and babylon wouldn’t even notice. Time to go back to harrassing gays and Catholics, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/7 "2010-08-16T14:40:59Z")
Ezekiel and Jeremiah were writing during the Babylonian exile and trying to reassure people that God would destroy Babylon and restore the Jews to Zion. Babylon eventually was captured by the Persians and the Jewish captives wnt back to Judah, but nothing really happened the way Ezekiel and Jeremiah fantasized that it would. The exact identification of “Magog” is unknown, but it was likely a reference to Assyrians, In any case, those books had everything to do with the Babylonian captivity of the Jews in the 6th Century BCE and absolutely zero to do with today. Those weren’t even accurate prophecies about what would happen to Babylon, much less about anything now. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/8 "2010-08-16T14:49:15Z")
Babylon. And on. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/9 "2010-08-16T15:02:01Z")
> [@](#): > > So, are we poised to see one of the last unfulfilled Old Testment propehcies come true? Certainly, certainly. It’s the end times I tell you! You should probably be looking to get rid of all your worldly possessions in anticipation of Apocalypse. If you like, I will be more than happy to take them off your hands, since I’m not one of the Select, and so will be staying put, comes the Rapture. Sad for me, but good for you! Let me know when you need me to come take possession of all your stuff… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/10 "2010-08-16T15:22:47Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > So, according to news reports, Iran’s Bushehr reactor, is going on line this Saturday, the 21st. > > What does this have to do with Ezekiel 38 and Jeremiah 50? Nothing. The Bible is an incoherent collection of myths created by primitives, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/11 "2010-08-16T15:22:48Z")
What is Ezekiel 38? Is that the one about the woman who wanted a man hung like a donkey and could ejaculate like a stallion? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/12 "2010-08-16T15:28:22Z")
That’s Ezekiel 23:20. and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/13 "2010-08-16T15:41:46Z")
I thought that was in Ron Jeremiah. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/14 "2010-08-16T16:09:09Z")
To the OP, aren’t Ezekiel 38 and 39 explicitly about the prince of Magog, a dude named Gog, who was living at that time and was known to the contemporary audience of the book? ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/15 "2010-08-16T16:17:01Z")
I’d be more worried about [Ezekiel 25:17](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmvnXKRfdb8). ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/16 "2010-08-16T16:37:31Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. She was hot for Democrats with equine colic? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/17 "2010-08-16T16:57:03Z")
Isn’t that just like the Dope? Take a high-minded theological discussion and drag it straight into the gutter! I love it here. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/18 "2010-08-16T17:08:09Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I thought that was in Ron Jeremiah. WIN! ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/19 "2010-08-16T17:11:01Z")
Maybe it would help if you actually posted the relevant passages ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/20 "2010-08-16T17:33:48Z")
Trust me, it wouldn’t. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412.md?page=2)