# Ezekiel 38, Jeremiah 50 and the Bushehr Reactor **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 16, 2010, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412 "2010-08-16T13:56:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/21 "2010-08-16T19:50:40Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That’s Ezekiel 23:20. > > and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. As a kid, whose parents read a chapter or two consecutively at each sitting of the family dinner, and lunch on weekends, I have no recollection of this passage. The image is striking. I thought pornography was antithetical to Christian religion . Did the Iranians name their reactor after Bush ? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/22 "2010-08-16T19:54:20Z")
Yes…Bushehr means ‘swaggering Bush in stuffed flight suit’ in Farsi. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/23 "2010-08-16T20:07:20Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Yes…Bushehr means ‘swaggering Bush in stuffed flight suit’ in Farsi. > > -XT It’s actually a much more remarkable prophecy than those of Ezekiel and Jeremiah, since it was made by the founder of the town of Bushehr in the 3rd century A.D. – by someone who could have had no idea what a “flight suit” was, or that someone called “Bush” would be the leader of a country called “America” – more than a thousand years before Europeans discovered America. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/24 "2010-08-16T20:10:28Z")
Remarkable, no doubt. Those ancients…they seemed to have known everything. _sigh_ Getting back to business, however, I still haven’t heard back from the OP on his or her transfer of all their worldly goods to myself. The Apocalypse is getting closer by the hour, and I sure hope the OP doesn’t miss out! -XT ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/25 "2010-08-16T20:12:19Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > > That’s Ezekiel 23:20. > > > > and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose issue was like that of horses. > > As a kid, whose parents read a chapter or two consecutively at each sitting of the family dinner, and lunch on weekends, I have no recollection of this passage. > > The image is striking. I thought pornography was antithetical to Christian religiion. You should read Song of Solomon. It’s filthy. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/26 "2010-08-16T20:16:52Z")
I don’t see what the big deal is with the Iranian reactor. Pakistan already has the atomic bomb (and Taliban in residence). ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/27 "2010-08-16T20:26:28Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > [@ministryman](#): > > > > So, according to news reports, Iran’s Bushehr reactor, is going on line this Saturday, the 21st. > > > > What does this have to do with Ezekiel 38 and Jeremiah 50? > > Nothing. The Bible is an incoherent collection of myths created by primitives, nothing more. I’m sorry, but the Bible (the real Bible, not that crappy Christian fanfic) is an incredible work of literature and poetry, written by primitives. (Seriously: if you can appreciate Homer without believing in Zeus, you can appreciate the Bible without believing in God.) ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/28 "2010-08-16T20:39:31Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > As a kid, whose parents read a chapter or two consecutively at each sitting of the family dinner, and lunch on weekends, I have no recollection of this passage. > > The image is striking. I thought pornography was antithetical to Christian religion . What about other passages that are dripping with sex? Did they read those to you? - [Genesis 19](http://thebricktestament.com/genesis/sodom_and_gomorrah/gn19_01.html), where the men of Sodom showed up at Lot’s door demanding to have sex with the two angels (_male_ angels) who were visiting? Or the part where Lot protected the angels by offering up his virgin daughters to the horny mob? Or just a tad bit later where Lot’s daughters got him drunk and had sex with him? - Did they read Song of Solomon, or just skip it entirely? “My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.” - What about the whole gay love thing between the young David and Jonathan? It’s in [1 Samuel 18](http://www.thebricktestament.com/king_saul/jonathans_feelings_for_david/1s18_01.html) and [1 Samuel 20](http://www.thebricktestament.com/david_vs_saul/jonathan_and_david/1s20_01.html). ---
**Author:** ![Cumberdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@Cumberdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cumberdale)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/29 "2010-08-16T20:46:02Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > > Nothing. The Bible is an incoherent collection of myths created by primitives, nothing more. > > I’m sorry, but the Bible (the real Bible, not that crappy Christian fanfic) is an incredible work of literature and poetry, written by primitives. > > (Seriously: if you can appreciate Homer without believing in Zeus, you can appreciate the Bible without believing in God.) I agree, as a historical document it fascinating and interesting and should be studied as such and nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/30 "2010-08-16T20:49:31Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > > Nothing. The Bible is an incoherent collection of myths created by primitives, nothing more. > > I’m sorry, but the Bible (the real Bible, not that crappy Christian fanfic) is an incredible work of literature and poetry, written by primitives. > > (Seriously: if you can appreciate Homer without believing in Zeus, you can appreciate the Bible without believing in God.) You think that there’s some kind of contradiction between being an incredible work of literature and poetry, and being an incoherent collection of myths? Heck, most good poetry is incoherent, and most of the OT is not credible. And I don’t think the fact that the OT included myths is debatable. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/31 "2010-08-16T20:51:24Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You should read Song of Solomon. It’s filthy. Trust me, It was my favourite book of the bible. But I always regarded it as innocent eroticism reflecting the joys of marriage, an institution we were all encouraged to participate in so that we would multiply with God’s and Solomon’s blessing. Sort of a Christian sex education primer. Ezekiel is to Solomon as Hustler is to Playboy. At one time anyway since its been 30 years since I’ve perused through either. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/32 "2010-08-16T20:59:07Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > > Nothing. The Bible is an incoherent collection of myths created by primitives, nothing more. > > I’m sorry, but the Bible (the real Bible, not that crappy Christian fanfic) is an incredible work of literature and poetry, written by primitives. Whatever, but I challenge the use of the word “primitives” to describe a people that do no exhibit much of a difference from the modern American and a decided advanced difference from much of humanity in their time.They could both read and write…obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/33 "2010-08-16T21:11:52Z")
> [@Cumberdale](#): > > > [@Alessan](#): > > > > I’m sorry, but the Bible (the real Bible, not that crappy Christian fanfic) is an incredible work of literature and poetry, written by primitives. > > > > (Seriously: if you can appreciate Homer without believing in Zeus, you can appreciate the Bible without believing in God.) > > I agree, as a historical document it fascinating and interesting and should be studied as such and nothing more. Seeing as a great deal of subsequent western literature and poetry has its roots in the bible - in terms of style and structure, not just direct allusions - I believe that it also be studied as a work of art. You may not like it, but you can’t deny its importance. (The fact that it is also my country’s national epic may not mean much to you, but it means quite a lot to me, which is why I have a hard time listening to people belittle its merits.) > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > > [@Alessan](#): > > > > I’m sorry, but the Bible (the real Bible, not that crappy Christian fanfic) is an incredible work of literature and poetry, written by primitives. > > Whatever, but I challenge the use of the word “primitives” to describe a people that do no exhibit much of a difference from the modern American and a decided advanced difference from much of humanity in their time.They could both read and write…obviously. There’s no denying that its writers were primitives, in modern terms. However, I would agree that compared to contemporary works of literature, the characters in the Bible are far more relatable and identifiably “human”. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/34 "2010-08-16T21:14:56Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > There’s no denying that its writers were primitives, in modern terms. However, I would agree that compared to contemporary works of literature, the characters in the Bible are far more relatable and identifiably “human”. Hey, no fair comparing them to Vulcans. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/35 "2010-08-16T21:48:36Z")
> [@Ezekiel](#): > > So I opened my mouth, and He fed me this **scroll**. He said to me, “Son of man, feed your stomach and fill your body with this scroll which I am giving you.” Then I ate it, and it was sweet as honey in my mouth. > > As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness, but each had four faces, and each of them had four wings. > > And the living creatures darted to and fro, like the appearance of a flash of lightning. Now as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them. As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl. And the four had the same likeness, their appearance and construction being as it were a wheel within a wheel. > [@Revelations 10:9](#): > > So I went to the angel and told him to give me the **small scroll**. “Yes, take it and eat it,” he said. “It will be sweet as honey in your mouth, but it will turn sour in your stomach!” 10 So I took the small scroll from the hand of the angel, and I ate it! It was sweet in my mouth, but when I swallowed it, it turned sour in my stomach. 'Shrooms, dude. I’m tellin ya. These guy were tripping. “Small scroll” is not a bad way of describing a dried-up, curled-up piece of mushroom. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/36 "2010-08-16T22:06:14Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > … What about the whole gay love thing between the young David and Jonathan?.. I think that’s more a cultural relic, the response of an oversexed culture like ours. Sexual love is but one variety of love. There have been men I have loved, though I wouldn’t say it “surpasseth the love of women”. But they are all hairy, have no tits, and smell wrong. Conversely, or perversely, there have been women I didn’t like all that much, but if I got within three feet of them, I couldn’t keep my hands off them. For instance, from time immemorial, the love of men for their comrades in arms is the most powerful bond they’ve ever experienced. Or ever will, for that matter. What does it mean? Dunno. But there it is. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/37 "2010-08-16T22:36:10Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I thought that was in Ron Jeremiah. Pretty sure this is indictable. But would probably just end in a hung jury. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/38 "2010-08-17T01:53:31Z")
We’re both going to hell. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/39 "2010-08-17T02:01:11Z")
> [@ministryman](#): > > So, according to news reports, Iran’s Bushehr reactor, is going on line this Saturday, the 21st. > > What does this have to do with Ezekiel 38 and Jeremiah 50? > Persia is Iran and despite what other people will tell you, Magog is Russia. > > The reactor, for those of you who don’t know, is **Russian** -made. > > Russia has been supplying Iran with nuclear toys and aircraft since the Clinton administration. > > Babylon, according to Google Maps, is about 400 miles away from this reactor. > > If contaminated (say by an accident or the Israelis), the fallout radius would encompass Babylon, rendering it uninhabitable (Jeremiah). > > So, are we poised to see one of the last unfulfilled Old Testment propehcies come true? The message board version of the crudely-made religious tracts that litter the floor of the Greyhound station. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412/40 "2010-08-17T02:07:12Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > We’re both going to hell. You’re Canadian, you go to Heck. And maybe going to Hell ain’t so bad, I guess it depends on how you feel about lawyers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ezekiel-38-jeremiah-50-and-the-bushehr-reactor/550412.md?page=3)