# F-16 aiding search for Holloway?? Incredible! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 7, 2005, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416 "2005-07-07T04:55:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/21 "2005-07-08T03:04:42Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > She’s not dead, she ran away with the hotel handyman. Schnieder? ---
**Author:** ![pace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c2a13f/32.png) [@pace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pace)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/22 "2005-07-08T03:38:30Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > I had one massive fit of embarassment-on-behalf-of-others when her mother stuck her foot in her mouth in recent days by berating the authorities for releasing people due to the absence of hard evidence. Great, I thought, now the Arubans are gonna stop seeing it as “a mother is looking for her child”, and start seeing it as _“Americans think they’re the only place with laws”_ I couldn’t agree more … maybe now, CNN can give more important stories the air time they deserve, e.g., London Terrorist attacks, the hunt for the bombers, potential copycat attacks in the states, G-8 meeting, well, the list can go on and on. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/23 "2005-07-08T11:37:12Z")
Can’t they just look for the circling buzzards? But I understand. She is missing and she is cute. Those kids in ID, not that cute. Sure, we’ll take about them when they are found but we didn’t get a media circus when TWO kids went missing in ID because they weren’t that cute. ---
**Author:** ![Q.N.Jones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3da27b/32.png) [@Q.N.Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.N.Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/24 "2005-07-08T16:47:45Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > I don’t believe FLIR would do much good for finding a _dead_ person. The body would pretty much match the ambient temp. Not if she’s decomposing. All that bacterial action creates some heat. That’s why they can use thermal imaging technology to find dead bodies hidden on land. If she’s in the ocean, I dunno. If she’s in water, I would think she’d be ambient temp, but I can’t say because I’ve never seen that on _Forensic Files_. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/25 "2005-07-08T17:53:07Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > Can’t they just look for the circling buzzards? > But I understand. She is missing and she is cute. Those kids in ID, not that cute. Sure, we’ll take about them when they are found but we didn’t get a media circus when TWO kids went missing in ID because they weren’t that cute. It’s sad. I agree with you completely, but man that’s so sad. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/26 "2005-07-08T19:16:42Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > But I understand. She is missing and she is cute. Those kids in ID, not that cute. Sure, we’ll take about them when they are found but we didn’t get a media circus when TWO kids went missing in ID because they weren’t that cute. When I saw her picture, I thought “I wonder if she’d be getting all this attention if she wore glasses” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/27 "2005-07-08T21:10:14Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > You said “It’s been obvious since the beginning that she’s dead”. What led you to believe, from the beginning, that she was dead? My inability to remember the last time a young woman went missing for an extended amount of time and turned up alive. See also: the glut of similar media cases, inc. but not limited to Laci Peterson and Chandra Levy. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/28 "2005-07-09T03:27:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > My inability to remember the last time a young woman went missing for an extended amount of time and turned up alive. Well it’s sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy: we’d find more than a handful of people who go missing for an extended time if we didn’t assume that they were dead, or ran off with a random handyman messiah.\* It’s just that society has to decide whether it’s worth it in these cases, or whether we should spend our resources in helping people in other ways. But at least two cases in the past 4 years is decent, since I wouldnt think there was more than a couple dozen high profile disappearances in that time. That’s around a %10 recovery rate! \*Band name! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2005, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/29 "2005-07-09T06:40:50Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Well it’s sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy: we’d find more than a handful of people who go missing for an extended time if we didn’t assume that they were dead, or ran off with a random handyman messiah.\* Even when these people are dead, we don’t quit looking for them, as evidenced _thoroughly_ by the efforts discussed here. It’s not a self-fulfilling prophecy at all. Laci Peterson was dead before she was even reported missing. So was Chandra Levy. If these cases didn’t turn into such a blur of hype and bullshit, I could probably think of others. If there are jets and the US Navy and more looking for Natalee Holloway, plainly there is no self-fulfilling prophecy at work because nobody has given up. Aruba is a tiny island with population of barely 100,000. If they’ve been combing it for almost six weeks and are bringing in jets and other American support, I don’t think there are too many places she could be alive and hidden. I also think your “almost 10% estimate” is high. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2005, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/30 "2005-07-11T06:07:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > My inability to remember the last time a young woman went missing for an extended amount of time and turned up alive. See also: the glut of similar media cases, inc. but not limited to Laci Peterson and Chandra Levy. [Slightly off-topic,](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1417020/posts) but this made me think of this story from a few weeks ago. Granted, it only came to my attention because I go to the same school as this girl used to, and, well, I found this whole story and all the local reaction to it to be rather amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2005, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416/31 "2005-07-11T06:08:50Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > [Slightly off-topic,](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1417020/posts) but this made me think of this story from a few weeks ago. Granted, it only came to my attention because I go to the same school as this girl used to, and, well, I found this whole story and all the local reaction to it to be rather amusing. Because the link didn’t seem to get done right on my last post, here’s the page the story I mentioned is on: [http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1417020/posts](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1417020/posts) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-16-aiding-search-for-holloway-incredible/311416.md?page=1)