# F. Christians: is it a sin for a man to be sodomized? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 12, 2003, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100 "2003-01-12T06:18:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/1 "2003-01-12T06:18:01Z")
The ex-gay ministries thread got me wondering what the fundamentalist Christians here think. (Specifically, the ones who think that homosexual sex is a sin.) Do you believe that it is always sinful for a man to be on the receiving end of sodomy, even within marriage? If so, why? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/2 "2003-01-12T06:27:40Z")
By “receiving end of sodomy” do you mean receiving a bj or “receiving” it up the butt? ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/3 "2003-01-12T06:30:49Z")
[Newlywed game] That would be in the butt, Bob. [/Newlywed game] For the sake of argument, I’m also assuming that we’re talking about people who think that marital sex for pleasure is ok. If you think that the only appropriate purpose of sex is reproduction, then the point is moot, barring several necessary technological advances. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/4 "2003-01-12T06:41:51Z")
IANA Christian, but I think that most Christians have a “whatever floats your boat” attitude towards marital sex. The more hardcore variety will probably use the old “design” argument (the butt is an exit not an entrance) but that seems rather weak to me, the body isn’t designed to play football either. ---
**Author:** ![Urban\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Urban\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urban_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/5 "2003-01-12T07:17:21Z")
What about women? Is anal sex a sin? ---
**Author:** ![superfreakicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@superfreakicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/superfreakicus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/6 "2003-01-12T07:26:11Z")
what would jesus do? ---
**Author:** ![Space\_Cadet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Space\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Space_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/7 "2003-01-12T07:50:57Z")
> [@](#): > > what would jesus do? Moan? Groan? One then the other? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/8 "2003-01-12T08:14:53Z")
As Savage Love notes, the pratice of “pegging” or “Bend-Over-Boyfriend” makes anal sodomy an equal opportunity possibility even in a heterosexual relationship. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/9 "2003-01-12T21:43:25Z")
In my belief, whether a person is the receiver of the sodomy or the giver, it’s still wrong. What do you mean by “even within marriage”? Two men can’t be married. The reasons being is the receiver is still participating in the act of homosexual sex which I believe God says is wrong plus it’s also fornication which is any sex outside of marriage. ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/10 "2003-01-12T21:44:44Z")
Oh, sorry, did you mean a woman receiving anal sex when speakig of even when married? My answer to that would be I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/11 "2003-01-12T21:57:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Apos \* > \*\*As Savage Love notes, the pratice of “pegging” or “Bend-Over-Boyfriend” makes anal sodomy an equal opportunity possibility even in a heterosexual relationship. \*\* I’m pretty sure I will wind up sorry I asked, but what is “pegging”? As regards the OP, the Bible says almost nothing about what acts are sinful in the context of a marriage. So as far as I can tell, pretty much anything both partners agree to is fine with the Lord. The term “sodomy” is derived from the city of Sodom, where the sin was homosexual rape. If the question is, “Is it a sin to be homosexually raped?”, no. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/12 "2003-01-12T22:11:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Oh, sorry, did you mean a woman receiving anal sex when speakig of even when married? > My answer to that would be I don’t know. \*\* How about a woman using a strap-on to have anal sex with her husband? ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/13 "2003-01-12T22:12:09Z")
The marriage bed is undefiled. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/14 "2003-01-12T22:15:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > \*\*The marriage bed is undefiled. \*\* Even by coprophagy? ---
**Author:** ![Deadly\_Nightlight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Deadly\_Nightlight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deadly_Nightlight)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/15 "2003-01-12T22:52:15Z")
I have always wondered this- so in other words as long as you are married anything you and your spouse do sexually is ok? I mean with each other that is. ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/16 "2003-01-12T23:27:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Deadly Nightlight \* > \*\*I have always wondered this- so in other words as long as you are married anything you and your spouse do sexually is ok? I mean with each other that is. \*\* That’s what > [@](#): > > The marriage bed is undefiled means to me. What do you get out of that? I think that _ben_ (maybe not that spelling) in Chinese means stool or poop. 😃 Does anyone know? So **Ben** , what is sexual about coprophagy? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Dickerson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Scott\_Dickerson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Dickerson)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/17 "2003-01-12T23:31:02Z")
Though “sodomy” has come to signify homosexual anal intercourse, I believe in the legal codes of a number of states of the union it meant something more like “any form of sexual contact other than penis-vagina.” In other words, it signified a general concept of sexual “deviance.” A few states still ban such conduct, even between man and woman, even between LAWFULLY WEDDED man and woman; and in Bowers v. Hardwicke back in the 70’s, the Supes rejected a challenge to such a law based on “privacy” arguments. I understand why fundamentalist Christians believe homosexual sex is proscribed by the Bible (though I don’t agree with their interpretation). I would be glad to learn what parts of the Bible they are relying on when they contend that non-penis-vagina sex is “wrong” even within marriage. I have to note that many, if not most, Bible scholars reject the common assumption that the “sin of Sodom” was homosexual rape–ie, that it was so interpreted in ancient times. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2003, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/18 "2003-01-12T23:45:23Z")
So, if your wife has like goat DNA spliced into her own by a mad scientist, and you don’t know it til you find her chewing up the carpet and her pupils turn sideways, and you’ve had sex with her, do you still have to kill her and yourself like the Bible says about bestiality, or can you just buy an indulgence? ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2003, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/19 "2003-01-13T00:07:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > \*\*I think that _ben_ (maybe not that spelling) in Chinese means stool or poop. 😃 > Does anyone know? \*\* Manners, JD. If this were the Pit, I’d tell you to bite my wax tadpole. Anyway, “Ben” means “diligence” in Japanese. > [@](#): > > \*\* > So **Ben** , what is sexual about coprophagy? \*\* Many people are turned on by it, so for them it’s quite sexual. Your god certainly finds it to be appropriate on occasion, or he wouldn’t go ordering people to do it. Personally, I think that it’s nasty. In any event, the question is pretty simple. If you have a couple who is turned on by coprophagy, and your god hasn’t ordered them to do it, is it a sin? For that matter, suppose you have a man and a woman who are married, and the man is an “ex-homosexual,” according to the folks at Exodus International. Nonetheless, he still has an overwhelming craving for gay sex, so his wife gets a stunningly realistic set of fake male genitals so that he can simulate homosexual sex with her. Is that a sin? ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100/20 "2003-01-13T02:18:20Z")
HAHA **Ben**. I wasn’t trying to be a jerk…Honestly!! 🙂 When you mentioned coprophagy, I thought of stool, and remembered that ben, your name, meant stool. I just looked up [ben](http://www.pmcguam.com/resource/japandic.htm), and it is stool, in Japanese!!! hahaha Anyway, are you referring to **2 kings 18:27**? That was said to show the extreme of what the people of Jerusalem would be reduced to. Also, **Ezek 4:12** is God showing Ezekial, who is acting out what is to come, the scarcity of fuel and food that will be upon Jerusalem. Dung, as in the Bible, was not necessarily a good thing. It was a curse. In **Malachi 2** , Israel is unfaithful. How exactly does one “wax a tadpole”? 😃 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/f-christians-is-it-a-sin-for-a-man-to-be-sodomized/148100.md?page=2)